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Ishquar Teh'Sainte Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.23 10:50:00 - [31] Originally by: Inanna Sumer Originally by: Marcsen I was being hit by a huge fleet but was still agroing some nearby frigs and cruisers with smart bombs and waves of some disposable heavy drones (too many hostiles to loose the fighters)... Eh, had plenty of cap left and no probs with the tank. You'll get into trouble because smartbombing in docking range of a conquerable station is a nono. Smartbombs aren't allowed within 5km of any station. However, as it's conquerable, the protection doesn't work properly. You were indeed using a bug which you should be aware of that because of the recent events in xzh involving a dominix that got a warning. I believe discussing GM actions such as warnings isn't allowed on these forums? Also how would you know a warning was given unless you were the pilot in question, the GM form letter is deliberately vague as to not tell the petitioner if any action was taken or not- to preserve the confidentiality between the user and CCP. Also under section 1 of the Suspensions and Ban Policy, something is only considered an exploit if there has been a public announcement about it advising people not to partake in the activity, or if the character in question has been warned about it in the past by a GM. http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/banning.asp plz read the forum rules before you post about them ... Quote: 9. Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue. You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned. he only stated that a dominix pilot got a warning because he used smartbombs in the undocking area of the station ... and that claiming to have been in docking range AND using smartbombs at the same time is a bit risky under such circumstances ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Inanna Sumer Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.23 10:54:00 - [32] Edited by: Inanna Sumer on 23/07/2006 10:56:31 Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte he only stated that a dominix pilot got a warning because he used smartbombs in the undocking area of the station ... and that claiming to have been in docking range AND using smartbombs at the same time is a bit risky under such circumstances In any case he's still assuming that a warning was given out, unless: a) He was the person petitioned. b) The pilot who was petitioned said they were warned about it. If he was the petitioner, he should go re-read that reply, as he probably skipped over all the "if we found an exploit to have taken place we will have taken appropriate action" text that's in the form letter to make sure they don't actually tell you if they did anything or not. Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte plz read the forum rules before you post about them ... Section 10: Warnings and bans are not to be discussed on the forum. Such matters shall remain private between the CCP and the user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through e-mail or private messaging. Likewise, discussions regarding moderator actions are not permitted on the forum. If you have questions regarding a post or thread, please contact [email protected]. Presumably that also applies to in-game warnings and bans, not just forum ones -------------------------------------------- My views and opinions in this post are my own and in no way reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
Marcsen Black Sheeps	Posted - 2006.07.23 10:59:00 - [33] What are you? A freshman in law school? Go mail a moderator if you think my post is inaproperate. Until then, go away.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.23 11:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Inanna Sumer Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte he only stated that a dominix pilot got a warning because he used smartbombs in the undocking area of the station ... and that claiming to have been in docking range AND using smartbombs at the same time is a bit risky under such circumstances In any case he's still assuming that a warning was given out, unless: a) He was the person petitioned. b) The pilot who was petitioned said they were warned about it. If he was the petitioner, he should go re-read that reply, as he probably skipped over all the "if we found an exploit to have taken place we will have taken appropriate action" text that's in the form letter to make sure they don't actually tell you if they did anything or not. ok .. let's get this straight .. maybe he is assuming that a pilot got warned for it ... but, if ... a.) the dominix pilot got really a warning ... this means he did something wrong/used an exploit ... so the claiming to be in docking range and using smartbombs is not the wisest plan b.) the dominix pilot didn't get a warning ... so Marcsen is assuming something wrong - why argue with him then?? the GMs won't use his opinion to decide if actions are needed or not ... other players aren't in the position to take actions like GMs can do ... and if you're not sure if you can trust the things Marcsen stated .. you can try it by yourself ... get a Smartbomb-Battleship - undock from a conquerable station - activate smartbombs - kill someone - and wait for his petition response. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Nahual Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.23 11:09:00 - [35] So I get this right, either he was using an exploit or he was going to die anyway (5km from station and webbed). Either way I don't think it's looking good for him. Right, I wish you the best with that petition and hope you get a ban because of it (abusing petition system with fake petitions). Guess we won't know either way, confidentiality ftw! -----------------------------------------------
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.23 11:12:00 - [36] All I have to say is thats what you get for trying to be clever, anyone who undocks a ship just to tank agrro then dock again, always gets stung in the end. I am not just referring to you or this case, but to anyone who trys it. Bottom line, it's not big and it's not clever. <Kurenin> Oh hello Christopher Exploitisanti!
Cloud Alexander Nubs.	Posted - 2006.07.23 11:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Inanna Sumer Originally by: Cloud Alexander Edited by: Cloud Alexander on 23/07/2006 10:32:16 Ummmm....If you check the time on your killmail and the time on your Screenshot at the bottom left its 40minute time difference and it appears on your screen that they are still shoting you? and whats up with no pod mails after the time you received the mail (00:22) and the time of your screenshot (01:06)?!?!?! Very Strange indeed. EDIT: I would definately cross reference with the person that has the killmail on you the time....or if I was CCP I would do that. I believe EVE has an aggression timer countdown that has to expire before you can dock, or am I mistaken? There is a 30 Second timer for agression to jump gates/dock or the all the likes. Same goes with being ganged etc. But none of that matter as the time on his death and time on his universal timer on the bottom left does make sense. And not having a pod mail death near the time of his ship destruction death is very strange also seeing has how the time on his screen is 40minutes after the ship kill....Unless his enemies are cruel and kept his pod there for a while hahahaha, on which case I think he is lying and I hope he gets punished if he is......
Knocturnal Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.07.23 11:37:00 - [38] Why is there so much hate ... start lubing eatchother... . Sh*t can happen /me gives free cookies to everyone.
Shimpu Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.23 12:07:00 - [39] I you weren't undocking, staying in range, smartbombing some frigs and redock the whole last week, I would have at least "some" sympathy for you and your loss of a capital ship. In my opinion you were abusing not only the dock/redock timer which is just for "omg, i'm blobbed. back in!11!!" situations but also the current smartbomb bug which involves conquerable stations. Serves you well. Originally by: Unknown Scout "ze scoud ffrom xzy, hSs a geighz aggdi...,eeeeeehhhmmmmm, somesing is jambing halt, sree hospitalized incoming."
Uther Doull Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.23 13:23:00 - [40] the dock undock tactic is pretty ******* annooying when it's used against you, but still it's pretty sucky to lose a carrier this way
Jiraki	Posted - 2006.07.23 13:46:00 - [41] Originally by: REVENGE ANGEL Bored and looking for a little excitement I undocked and started tanking the enemy army with my carrier for sh!ts and giggles. No problems, I was within docking range and had done it a multitude of times before. I have not CTD'd in forever so was willing to take the risk. I was being hit by a huge fleet but was still agroing some nearby frigs and cruisers with smart bombs and waves of some disposable heavy drones (too many hostiles to loose the fighters)... Eh, had plenty of cap left and no probs with the tank. Once I got down to half cap I stopped the smartbombs, recalled drones and watched the "drones in local" drop to 0. I waited for the agro timer to end so I could dock and hung around for a while to see how long the tank would hold against the onslaught. It was doing well for quite some time considering the imense amount of firepower the enemy was unloading into my arse Ok, well guess it's time to dock and chat with the locals, have a few laughs... uh oh, the dock doesnt seem to be responding, lemme do the drop list and select dock that way... hmmm, no response.... not good. Lemme see if I can do anything else... nope can't select another target in over view. Ok, this is strange, I can still be seen typing in alliance, gang and corp chat... weird. Ok, this is getting serious, my cap is almost gone... it's ok, be patient, you'll see yourself docking any second now Hey now, I'm starting to go into armor... crap, now i'm into structure . Hmmmm, why am I holding at 1/2 structure? How deep does this rabbit hole go? Hey, why's my mail flashing? DAMNIT, thats my kill mail. An hour later, i'm still looking at my ship, people can still see me typing in chat and I have my own kill mail from an hour ago... priceless. To those that said "dont lie about a bug" I would say the following screen shot proves I wasnt lieing Borked Sorry to hear you lost your carrier Duke (Droklar), sucks.
DeadDuck Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.23 13:55:00 - [42] The mistake was he tought that he could tank our gang, thats was firing from long range ... then he started to fly away from the station... as soons as he was out of docking range he was heavilly webbed/scrambled and the gang started to shoot at close range. He started to boost the shields and we could see him turn on and off is boosters, but the fact is that he was so webbed that the carrier didnt move at all... he died at very close distance from docking range... There was no lag there ... he was outside the staion for about 1h tanking us and trying to smartbombing us... It was a really good tank he had there
Tarnish Katharr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.23 15:05:00 - [43] Dear D2 and co. Please stop whining, for the love of god stop whining. ------------------- Stop whining!
Colt45WorksEveryTime	Posted - 2006.07.23 15:09:00 - [44] Um, you guys seem to be missing the crux of the issue. The main issue being that your screen and graphics shows you within docking range the whole time but you in fact are way out of docking range. The other issue is failure to "AKTIVATE SCHILDBOOSTER" which is lag in general. Read the post fully before criticizing. No one is trying to take away your lag kill. He's tanked larger fleets.
Nafri Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 15:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Tarnish Katharr Dear D2 and co. Please stop whining, for the love of god stop whining. Check forum rules, trolling is not allowed, have a nice day From Dusk till Dawn Sig removed, e-mail us if you'd like to know why. -ReverendM ([email protected])
grizouh SteelVipers	Posted - 2006.07.23 15:24:00 - [46] serves you right revenge angel how many times did you undock to play with the gang the last days? how many times did you use smartbombs in docking range in spite of knowing it is not allowed? at least goons petitioned us for using them and we were warned not to do it again. and regarding the screenshot: welcome to the "sorry, we do not accept any screenshots as a proof" club ^^
REVENGE ANGEL Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.23 15:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Avon Client de-sync. You can see yourself typing, but no-one else can because you are already disconnected. Wrong, I couldn't see their type but they could see mine. I also received the mail while sitting there... definitely connected. Originally by: Nafri He wasnt in docking range, he was just out of it. According to my screen I was way inside docking range but since I sat there for an hour with my ship still in sight it wouldnt be suprising that everything was out of synch.... Originally by: HippoKing I can't be the only one who sees at as VERY weird that you have another death 4 minutes before your big long tanking spree with your carrier? Also, if you were sitting there doing nothing, but could load your mail (so weren't DCed), why didn't you get podded? Are youi seriously suggesting that you were allowed to sit outside the station without being podded for 40mins, with that many hostiles around you? The killmail from 4 mins earlier is a d2 frig I popped with smarties which I could screeny if needed. To your second point... I was podded but didnt get that mail until after a GM said to go ahead and reconnect. (I didnt want to relog until after GM's were contacted in case they wanted to have me do something while in that state for whatever reasons... being cautious. Originally by: Cowboy Ramrott hahaha u had client de-sync , u thought ur still in dockin range but ur already was out of it. on ur client u saw urself still in docking range but u werent. sorry if its a bit laggy when 50 peeps shooting only at one ship , but hey , thats the way it goes and that u got laag as u popped , well its like laag when a freighter with a lot of stuff inside his stomach pops take it as a man our pilots had no laag and welcome to EvE Now here I thought I was "taking it like a man". Don't see me ranting and raving do you?. I already have my backup carrier ready and will order another backup. BTW, client desynch is a legitimate reason for reimbursement Originally by: Dinique I was there. You could tank our long range Battleships, you've been doing it on more than once occasion, got brave moved out of docking range blabbing on about how it tickles. Then we moved in close, webbed/nossed/scrambled you down and let you have it. you panicked and double boosted = cap gone. Then you died. You were in a dictor bubble and your pod got popped too. You were outside that station for almost an hour, no one else had any lag. You couldnt dock as you were atleast 5 kilometres out of docking range, you were 5 km out of docking range before we even started shooting you that time. 150 people in local, only about 55 in that fight. So where did the lag come from? We didnt get any. Lol, And you base this statement on the fact that in all those previous engagements I had left docking range? No, I wouldnt have left docking range with 50 hostiles just as I had not left docking range the times before that. The fact that I am still sitting there in my ship within docking range an hour after receiving the kill mail plainly shows that "on my end" I was indeed within docking range and that something was terribly wrong with the game/server/client. The server was incorrectly reporting my position/speed/etc and the reason for the death. One could say "oh well, don't undock" however this sort of bug in the game can happen anywhere anytime and needs to be fixed. You tell em I'm coming, and HECK'S COMING WITH ME! Sorry, I've been attending anger management :(
Nafri Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 15:34:00 - [48] You were exploiting and died during it, quite funny From Dusk till Dawn Sig removed, e-mail us if you'd like to know why. -ReverendM ([email protected])
grizouh SteelVipers	Posted - 2006.07.23 15:38:00 - [49] Originally by: REVENGE ANGEL No, I wouldnt have left docking range with 50 hostiles just as I had not left docking range the times before that. you left docking range before we brought back the main fleet
REVENGE ANGEL Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.23 16:09:00 - [50] Originally by: grizouh Edited by: grizouh on 23/07/2006 15:51:07 Originally by: REVENGE ANGEL No, I wouldnt have left docking range with 50 hostiles just as I had not left docking range the times before that. you left docking range before we brought back the main fleet in edit: and nice to see on the screenshot that you use other portraits ingame than the ones originally supported from the game. i really hope ccp will do something about it one day as it is defenitely an advantage in smaller local chats when you normally don¦t know on first sight if somebody is hostile or not. because I had left docking range sooooo many times before right? And what are you talking about with the portrait statement? That is a cache bug or something. Some of my chars have had eyes bulging out of their heads and other weird crap in their pics and is usually fixed with a reinstall. Havent got around to reinstalling lately since everyone else seems to see my pic just fine as would you if you were in local with me and clicked on my image or search my character ingame. You tell em I'm coming, and HECK'S COMING WITH ME! Sorry, I've been attending anger management :(
grizouh SteelVipers	Posted - 2006.07.23 16:37:00 - [51] no, you never leaved docking range before, correct. but always used your smartbombs in docking range of a conquerable station... regarding the miniportraits: of course it is a cache bug, prolly the same as here (i know the links will be edited so hush) http://www.eve-files.com/media/0604/2006.04.01.05.36.09.png http://www.eve-files.com/media/0604/2006.03.31.22.44.57.jpg fyi: the portraits are only changed on the local computer, of course everybody else sees the normal picture provided from the server. and exactly that is the advantage. its not only your image on the screen, there are 3 in your mailbox which look different with the hood over the face
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.23 17:01:00 - [52] Originally by: grizouh no, you never leaved docking range before, correct. but always used your smartbombs in docking range of a conquerable station... regarding the miniportraits: of course it is a cache bug, prolly the same as here (i know the links will be edited so hush) http://www.eve-files.com/media/0604/2006.04.01.05.36.09.png http://www.eve-files.com/media/0604/2006.03.31.22.44.57.jpg fyi: the portraits are only changed on the local computer, of course everybody else sees the normal picture provided from the server. and exactly that is the advantage. its not only your image on the screen, there are 3 in your mailbox which look different with the hood over the face griz, you're getting it wrong ... it seems it is really a bug .. if you take a quite close look at his portrait on the screeny and on the portrait here in the forums you can see that the hair of his char on the screenie gets rendered in-front of his face .. that causes the "unusual" look ... comparing the backgrounds of both portraits - it seems they are not changed intentionally .. so i don't think he uses the goonfleet icon pack ... for the rest of his story .. i don't know what to think about him ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
grizouh SteelVipers	Posted - 2006.07.23 17:25:00 - [53] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte griz, you're getting it wrong ... it seems it is really a bug .. really coincidence or bug? http://grizouh.fotm.de/portraits.jpg http://grizouh.fotm.de/My_carrier__kill_mail_3.jpg
grizouh SteelVipers	Posted - 2006.07.23 20:46:00 - [54] another desync? ^^ thanks for using your smartbombs AGAIN in docking range before.
NOObbody Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.23 20:49:00 - [55] Edited by: NOObbody on 23/07/2006 20:51:43 Edited by: NOObbody on 23/07/2006 20:51:18 That tactic is getting expensive, isn¦t it? btw, exploits are bad, mkay
SaorAlba Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.23 21:02:00 - [56] Excellent loot drop again Revenge Angel. Care to tell the audience how you menaged to screw up again?
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.23 21:12:00 - [57] Originally by: REVENGE ANGEL I already have my backup carrier ready and will order another backup. i hope the shop where you ordered your backup carrier hasn't a long order queue ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Logan Williams Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.23 21:17:00 - [58] Edited by: Logan Williams on 23/07/2006 21:18:49 Revenge Angel, so what was the story with >today's< >>fresh<< carrier loss? Originally by: Logan Williams Cry CYVOK and let slip the geeks of diplomacy
Quintus Sertorius	Posted - 2006.07.23 21:19:00 - [59] Will you be petitioning today's loss as well?
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.07.23 21:20:00 - [60] Well. If you will launch with 100+ drones in your drone bay into 50-odd hostiles and then start messing around with your drone menu... drones cause lag, news at 11.

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