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Albert Threestone
No Wise Guy's Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2011.11.23 09:57:00 -
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Just an observation from my side. I came back after a 2 year break.
A lot that was annoying me got better. Some incredible stuff was added. After seeing the toon editor, a lot of the other mmo just look plain uggly. And even though there is absolutely no game play improvement it still is a great technical achievement.
Than I checked my buddy list, mainly composed of mission runners and miners. 95% have left the game. Than checking what has been achieved in the area of mission runners and miners I guess I know why.
Simply almost no new content, and making miners even better targets for gankers did not help a lot either.
So I guess I should applaud to CCP. You successfully removed the guy's that mostly wanted to do some solo money now and then without too much social interference or waiting for others from the game.
Good to see you don't need thier money
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baltec1
201
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Posted - 2011.11.23 09:59:00 -
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Albert Threestone wrote:Just an observation from my side. I came back after a 2 year break.
A lot that was annoying me got better. Some incredible stuff was added. After seeing the toon editor, a lot of the other mmo just look plain uggly. And even though there is absolutely no game play improvement it still is a great technical achievement.
Than I checked my buddy list, mainly composed of mission runners and miners. 95% have left the game. Than checking what has been achieved in the area of mission runners and miners I guess I know why.
Simply almost no new content, and making miners even better targets for gankers did not help a lot either.
So I guess I should applaud to CCP. You successfully removed the guy's that mostly wanted to do some solo money now and then without too much social interference or waiting for others from the game.
Good to see you don't need thier money
They quit because they lacked the brain power to make their own content. |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
118
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:01:00 -
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To be perfectly fair, this game was always intended to make the players create their "own" missions by utilizing almost limitless freedom. How many other games can you name that have an open-ended sovereignty system and property ownership? "Solo" was never one of EVE's core concepts, and to expect it to be is to show massive ignorance in regard to the product you spend your money on. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
192
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:02:00 -
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I endorse this product and/or service. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Nautsyn Thome
Shark Investments Shark-Investments
3
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:04:00 -
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Maybe they left because its no single player game in the first place?
Good riddance?
Can your stuff i haz? |

Omar Devone Little
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:05:00 -
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Albert Threestone wrote:So I guess I should applaud to CCP. You successfully removed the guy's that mostly wanted to do some solo money now and then without too much social interference or waiting for others from the game.
There are these things called single-player games too now I hear
I know, it's crazy right?
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
413
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:32:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:To be perfectly fair, this game was always intended to make the players create their "own" missions by utilizing almost limitless freedom. How many other games can you name that have an open-ended sovereignty system and property ownership? "Solo" was never one of EVE's core concepts, and to expect it to be is to show massive ignorance in regard to the product you spend your money on. 1000 times this.
Any player leaving because the "missions aren't being worked on" is best gone. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Lexmana
Imperial Stout
66
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:35:00 -
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Albert Threestone wrote:Simply almost no new content,
What?!?
New content is produced every single day in EVE - by the players. And that is how a sandbox is supposed to work. Maybe you should try and create some yourself for a change?
Quote:and making miners even better targets for gankers did not help a lot either.
See, new content right there. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
198
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:39:00 -
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blablabla.
Please close for no content. |

Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
41
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:48:00 -
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epic arc missions have been the latest content that you are looking for.
though eve is weak on "spoon fed content" instead they focus on tools that the players can use to build their own world
as a result the innovation creep is avoided. (the new content makes the old content worthless) Resulting in having to constantly get the better armor as the stuff you have worked for so hard is now obsolete.
This is why Eve will not see much in the area of new ships in the next few years as they don't want to make previous ships obsolete.
When ... dare is say it.. Establishments come outs i think CCP may be able to allow players to make story line content for them selves.
So for missions.... eve is not built for that, but there are those cosmo and epic ark mission. I have also been told there is an ammazing story in worm hole space out there.... Just it may take a whole alliance to figure out the trooth
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Heinel Sidewind
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:52:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote: blablabla.
Please close for no content.
Tsk tsk. We are producing content here by inducing tears. Keep on lynching. |

DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
135
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Posted - 2011.11.23 11:02:00 -
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Yo came back after 2 years and you are surpised that a lot of people you used to know left the game? 
What is the average age after which a players quits eve? 6 months to 1 year?
Just find a new corp and have fun. Fix FW ! |

Amro One
One.
35
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Posted - 2011.11.23 11:07:00 -
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You left for 2 years, so why cant they leave for 2 years.
Thanks for your pathetic insight.
Can i have your Stuff. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
993
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Posted - 2011.11.23 11:07:00 -
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Running missions to save up for a better ship to run missions with isn't going to burn anyone out ever, right? |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
118
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Posted - 2011.11.23 11:11:00 -
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Andski wrote:Running missions to save up for a better ship to run missions with isn't going to burn anyone out ever, right? That is why you must punctuate your mission-running with periods of mining minerals to save up for better ships with which to mine more minerals, duh. |

Soddington Smythe
A Big Enough Lever Numquam Ambulare Solus
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Posted - 2011.11.23 11:34:00 -
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Edam Bachensteiner Bergk+ñse Mondseer Staazer Passendale Remoudou Rodoric Danish Blue Cheddar Cheshire Coquetdale Venezuelan Beaver Cheese Parmesan Lowerdale Goats Cheese Pantysgawn
Cant supply the crackers,but enjoy the nibbles to go with your whine.
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Eyup Mi'duck
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2011.11.23 11:39:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:To be perfectly fair, this game was always intended to make the players create their "own" missions by utilizing almost limitless freedom. How many other games can you name that have an open-ended sovereignty system and property ownership? "Solo" was never one of EVE's core concepts, and to expect it to be is to show massive ignorance in regard to the product you spend your money on. 1000 times this. Any player leaving because the "missions aren't being worked on" is best gone.
Oh ffs. You're 100,000 times wrong.
There are many other lifestyles in EVE besides yours... the game will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate playing styles. Yes, even sims in space. I am me.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á I am not you.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áI am happy with this situation. |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
118
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Posted - 2011.11.23 11:52:00 -
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Eyup Mi'duck wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:To be perfectly fair, this game was always intended to make the players create their "own" missions by utilizing almost limitless freedom. How many other games can you name that have an open-ended sovereignty system and property ownership? "Solo" was never one of EVE's core concepts, and to expect it to be is to show massive ignorance in regard to the product you spend your money on. 1000 times this. Any player leaving because the "missions aren't being worked on" is best gone. Oh ffs. You're 100,000 times wrong. There are many other lifestyles in EVE besides yours... the game will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate playing styles. Yes, even sims in space. And another armchair economist pipes in. I suppose you're one of those people who thinks that a product must appeal to any and all customer demographics in order for the company that makes it to be successful.
Are you a car person? I'm not a car person, but you might be one, so let's make a car example. Let's say some minor car manufacturer is producing a sports coupe. A good amount of young guys and businessmen going through their mid-life crises are buying this sports coupe, and the manufacturer is doing pretty well by catering to those market segments.
The sports coupe caught your eyes, and you went out and bought one. But you're a soccer mom. You're driving the car, and realizing that it's not all that enjoyable when you're forced to stash half of your kids in the trunk with the groceries. You want changes made, and you want them to be made now. You want the next line of this company's sports coupes to be reconstructed according to your demands, so you can trade yours in for the newer model.
"There are many other driving styles in the world besides yours..The car manufacturer will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate driving styles. Yes, even those of soccer moms."
Makes sense, huh?
I'll give you a 7/10 for that one. I enjoyed writing the above. |

Generals4
Caldari State
360
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Posted - 2011.11.23 11:57:00 -
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I can actually agree with the mining part, mining is the backbone of the eve indy profession and does deserve some love. But missioning already has a lot of love i mean sure they get very repetitive and dull after a while but you still have lots of different missions, for different factions with different difficulties (lvl I-V) and Incursions also gave something nice for people who liked group PVE without wanting to go into Lowsec. So really missioners already have it good, would some new missions hurt, i guess not, but is it really something CCP should prioritize? hell no. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

Albert Threestone
No Wise Guy's Stellar Economy Experts
5
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:01:00 -
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Quote: "There are many other driving styles in the world besides yours..The car manufacturer will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate driving styles. Yes, even those of soccer moms." Makes sense, huh?
Well, than any newcomer to eve starts up with either cap warfare in 0.0 or ganking?
When you start eve you mostly start with either missions or mining. That's how you are drawn into eve. Now you say, well I am your car producer and now that you got hooked to red sports car that you can drive at any time, I command you to switch to public transportation because it is bigger and more social and if your bored you should learn to talk to the other guests and make up your own games?
Makes perfectly sense, huh?
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
118
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:15:00 -
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Albert Threestone wrote:When you start eve you mostly start with either missions or mining. That's how you are drawn into eve. Is that a fact? You're sure that's not just an unfounded assumption loosely based on a sweeping generalization of the game's player base?
The rest of the stuff you wrote wasn't even English, so I can't make an argument against it, since I don't know what the hell you were talking about. |

non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
163
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:29:00 -
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I like eating grapes. Does this game have grapes? It's a damned sandbox ! It has grapes!! Infact, you aren't playing EVE the right way unless you are eating the sandy grapes of EVE.
Yeah nothing added to mining in the last few years. Some missioning stuff and plenty of other stuff added. But you can play this game solo or in groups. If you're in a group and the group leaves or changes too much then you either leave EVE, find another group or become a solo player. |

Zeet A'Dron
New Artisian and Mercenary Association
3
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:47:00 -
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Albert Threestone wrote:Just an observation from my side. I came back after a 2 year break.
A lot that was annoying me got better. Some incredible stuff was added. After seeing the toon editor, a lot of the other mmo just look plain uggly. And even though there is absolutely no game play improvement it still is a great technical achievement.
Than I checked my buddy list, mainly composed of mission runners and miners. 95% have left the game. Than checking what has been achieved in the area of mission runners and miners I guess I know why.
Simply almost no new content, and making miners even better targets for gankers did not help a lot either.
So I guess I should applaud to CCP. You successfully removed the guy's that mostly wanted to do some solo money now and then without too much social interference or waiting for others from the game.
Good to see you don't need thier money
i didnt read all the responses that flammed you but you're basically right.
Add contract scams to the mix, and don't forget about botters either. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:51:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:To be perfectly fair, this game was always intended to make the players create their "own" missions by utilizing almost limitless freedom. How many other games can you name that have an open-ended sovereignty system and property ownership? "Solo" was never one of EVE's core concepts, and to expect it to be is to show massive ignorance in regard to the product you spend your money on. 1000 times this. Any player leaving because the "missions aren't being worked on" is best gone.
well that would leave EVE with about 20k subscribers total 
Anyway EVE cycle is do some stuff, lose space, move to high sec, log here and there, train for several months not loging to play, unsub, come back an year or so later. At least my EVE cycle  |

Psychophantic
113
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:52:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Are you a car person? I'm not a car person, but you might be one, so let's make a car example. Let's say some minor car manufacturer is producing a sports coupe. A good amount of young guys and businessmen going through their mid-life crises are buying this sports coupe, and the manufacturer is doing pretty well by catering to those market segments.
The sports coupe caught your eyes, and you went out and bought one. But you're a soccer mom. You're driving the car, and realizing that it's not all that enjoyable when you're forced to stash half of your kids in the trunk with the groceries. You want changes made, and you want them to be made now. You want the next line of this company's sports coupes to be reconstructed according to your demands, so you can trade yours in for the newer model.
"There are many other driving styles in the world besides yours..The car manufacturer will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate driving styles. Yes, even those of soccer moms."
You mean like the Porsche Cayenne, Lamborghini Estoque, or the 4 seater Ferraris ?
How dare they try to cater to a larger audience. I bet the purists were mighty upset. |

Psychophantic
113
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:57:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Albert Threestone wrote:When you start eve you mostly start with either missions or mining. That's how you are drawn into eve. Is that a fact? You're sure that's not just an unfounded assumption loosely based on a sweeping generalization of the game's player base? The rest of the stuff you wrote wasn't even English, so I can't make an argument against it, since I don't know what the hell you were talking about.
I seem to recall being given missions from Aura when I first started. Lots of helpful missions, even missions with mining in them.
Sure beats a message saying Nulls that way -> go pew pew you hardcore space pirate you. |

Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
58
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:00:00 -
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Eyup Mi'duck wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:To be perfectly fair, this game was always intended to make the players create their "own" missions by utilizing almost limitless freedom. How many other games can you name that have an open-ended sovereignty system and property ownership? "Solo" was never one of EVE's core concepts, and to expect it to be is to show massive ignorance in regard to the product you spend your money on. 1000 times this. Any player leaving because the "missions aren't being worked on" is best gone. Oh ffs. You're 100,000 times wrong. There are many other lifestyles in EVE besides yours... the game will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate playing styles. Yes, even sims in space.
A funny comment from an ex-eve PvP player in another game; when asked if they had the patience for playing.
"Patience? I have a lot of patience. I played EVE for over 2 years and 10 hour a day gate camps... You develop a lot of patience doing that."
I still snicker about it. Yeah there are other lifestyles in EVE. |

David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
228
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:03:00 -
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the miners unsubbed because there is no point in paying for an account that ya cant make decent isk from.
mineral prices are too low.... loot, npc hauler spawns and drone poo account for the majority of mineral sources now anyways. Its become too dangerous mining them now thanks to Eve online becoming suicide gank online making the risk too high vs too little reward.
Once tier 3 bc's and buffed destroyers are available next week i'd expect even more players to unsub their soon to be obsolete mining alt accounts. And just run incursions or missions with their main accounts instead. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |

DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
135
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:06:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:the miners unsubbed because there is no point in paying for an account that ya cant make decent isk from.
mineral prices are too low.... loot, npc hauler spawns and drone poo account for the majority of mineral sources now anyways. Its become too dangerous mining them now thanks to Eve online becoming suicide gank online making the risk too high vs too little reward.
Once tier 3 bc's and buffed destroyers are available next week i'd expect even more players to unsub their soon to be obsolete mining alt accounts. And just run incursions or missions with their main accounts instead.
I don't get this... You want mining to be very easy, very rewarding and very boring?  
I I was a miner I would love the current situation! More risk, more rewards and more fun.
Fix FW ! |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
118
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:10:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Are you a car person? I'm not a car person, but you might be one, so let's make a car example. Let's say some minor car manufacturer is producing a sports coupe. A good amount of young guys and businessmen going through their mid-life crises are buying this sports coupe, and the manufacturer is doing pretty well by catering to those market segments.
The sports coupe caught your eyes, and you went out and bought one. But you're a soccer mom. You're driving the car, and realizing that it's not all that enjoyable when you're forced to stash half of your kids in the trunk with the groceries. You want changes made, and you want them to be made now. You want the next line of this company's sports coupes to be reconstructed according to your demands, so you can trade yours in for the newer model.
"There are many other driving styles in the world besides yours..The car manufacturer will only remain successful if it welcomes all legitimate driving styles. Yes, even those of soccer moms."
You mean like the Porsche Cayenne, Lamborghini Estoque, or the 4 seater Ferraris ? How dare they try to cater to a larger audience. I bet the purists were mighty upset. My allegory dealt with one product made by one company. Your counterpoint deals with multiple products made by any particular company. If CCP had been running more than one game, then your counterpoint would have been valid.
I'll make it even simpler: your counterpoint is based off of the fact that those companies started new product lines to cater to wider customer audiences. Are you saying that CCP's solution is in either creating a new game for the more, uh, "passive" players, or perhaps sharding the current one? |
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