| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
   |
Posted - 2006.07.25 13:18:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Techyon
Jim that's the most flawed argumentation ever and you know it :P
I have to admit I do. 
---
Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Plague Black
4S Corporation
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 13:24:00 -
[32]
Deimos >>> Vagabond
The problem is that deimos does not have enough med slots to keep vagabond pilot from running, so the solution might be to introduce another 3 med slots for deimos that can only be used for warp scramblers. Or to nerf wcs but that is a different topic.
Anyway, deimos is one mean damage-dealing machine. Not as versatile as ishtar, not as good at runnig like vagabond (best running ship around), not as good at sniping as eagle but at close range it's to be feared.
It suffers from large nosing but so does any hac.
There is nothing wrong with deimos except his price tag... but that is yet another story about human greed.
|
Sarmaul
0utbreak
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 13:28:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Plague Black
Deimos >>> Vagabond
The problem is that deimos does not have enough med slots to keep vagabond pilot from running, so the solution might be to introduce another 3 med slots for deimos that can only be used for warp scramblers. Or to nerf wcs but that is a different topic.
It's more the fact that the Vagabond never has to enter web range in the first place and the Deimos is too slow to ever catch up with it...
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS
- In Rust We Trust - |
Sarmaul
0utbreak
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 13:31:00 -
[34]
Anyway, why haven't the rest of the OB gallente *****s spammed this thread to hell and back yet?
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS
- In Rust We Trust - |
Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 13:34:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Plague Black
Deimos >>> Vagabond
The problem is that deimos does not have enough med slots to keep vagabond pilot from running, so the solution might be to introduce another 3 med slots for deimos that can only be used for warp scramblers. Or to nerf wcs but that is a different topic.
Anyway, deimos is one mean damage-dealing machine. Not as versatile as ishtar, not as good at runnig like vagabond (best running ship around), not as good at sniping as eagle but at close range it's to be feared.
It suffers from large nosing but so does any hac.
There is nothing wrong with deimos except his price tag... but that is yet another story about human greed.
one mean damage dealer to what? Containers?
|
Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 13:34:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
In a Thread some weeks ago, Tuxford said he would look into the fitting requirements of the Deimos. No word from him afterwards.
Tuxford: "Right, what do we got here, a gallente hac... nah this is crap *throws it away*, right lets pimp up the vagabond, it needs love"
|
Jim McGregor
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 13:38:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Tuxford: "Right, what do we got here, a gallente hac... nah this is crap *throws it away*, right lets pimp up the vagabond, it needs love"
Thats insane tbh... gallente have all the aces when it comes to ships. Maybe you are joking.
---
Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Verisum Family
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 14:25:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe on 25/07/2006 14:29:24
I think I'm going to have to agree that Gallente do not need another solo pwnmobile HAC. For this reason I do not think the deimos needs to swap its 6th high for a 4th mid as it will just turn the ship into a Brutix with a better tank and more dps, the Deimos needs to keep its weakness of easily being nossed out. I also feel that the Deimos should recieve no improvents with the Ishtar being the way it is. If the Deimos is to be improved like it should the Ishtar needs to lose a slot as currently the Ishtar does not follow the trend of almost all other drone ships, large drone bay = loss of slots in comparison to other ships of the same class and tier.
So I'm going to maintain my suggestestions posted earlier in the thread however like I stated above they should only be implemented if the Ishtar recieves the nerf it deserves. Remove a midslot from the Ishtar and slighly buff the deimos by what ever means seem most reasonable and I think Gallente HACs will be more enjoyable as a whole.
P.S. Sorry for turning this into a nerf Ishtar whine 
|
Yarek Balear
Black Omega Security
E.R.A
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 14:35:00 -
[39]
If the Deimos had/did the following then I'd fly it a fair bit:-
Option 1: Fit Electron Blaster IIs + Small Nos, MWD + Scram + Cap Injector, with Dual Medium Rep + Hardners/Damage Mods
Option 2:Fit Ion Blaster IIs + Small NOS, MWD + Scram + Med Cap Injector, with Single Medium Rep + 800m Plate + Hardners/Damage Mods
Option 3:Fit Neutron Blaster IIs + Small NOS, MWD + Scram + Web, with Single Medium Rep + Hardners/Damage Mods
In all options the ship did a max of 2k/s with MWD on and no slave implants.
This gives reasonable gank options with weak tank, or half decent tank with less damage.
Of course it'll still be susceptable to larger ships with NOS to some degree and this is a vulnerability with all close range ships but its speed would make up for it to some degree.
Then I'd fly the ship more - until then, Ishtar it is...
|
Crumplecorn
Gallente
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 14:56:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
enlightenment
OMGz I stand corrected. Somebody boost something quick! 
----------
|
Crumplecorn
Gallente
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 15:01:00 -
[41]
To the various people who say Gallente don't need another pwnmobile HAC; the FTWness of the Ishtar won't help me when all my SPs are in gunnery......
Saying leave the deimos effectively nerfed because other ships from the same race are really good is a crap argument TBH. Deimos is teh sexy, and should be FTW.
It has been suggested that making a high slot a med slot makes it a better brutix (more or less). This is a great idea. Deimos > Brutix > Thorax. That is in fact the exact ship progression I am aiming for (with a BS in there somewhere ofc).
----------
|
Hephaesteus
Gallente
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 15:38:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Luc Boye
Tuxford: "Right, what do we got here, a gallente hac... nah this is crap *throws it away*, right lets pimp up the vagabond, it needs love"
Thats insane tbh... gallente have all the aces when it comes to ships. Maybe you are joking.
Whoa what happened to Caldari did they get nerfed.
-----------------------------------------------
Knowing all, when all is unknown.
|
Jim McGregor
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 15:46:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Hephaesteus
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Luc Boye
Tuxford: "Right, what do we got here, a gallente hac... nah this is crap *throws it away*, right lets pimp up the vagabond, it needs love"
Thats insane tbh... gallente have all the aces when it comes to ships. Maybe you are joking.
Whoa what happened to Caldari did they get nerfed.
Well... without Raven caldari wouldnt be much of a problem tbh. 
---
Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Dixon
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 15:53:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Well... without Raven caldari wouldnt be much of a problem tbh.
Are you part of the Serpentis, Guristas or any other NPC rat corp? If not what is your problem with the raven?
|
HippoKing
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 15:59:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Dixon
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Well... without Raven caldari wouldnt be much of a problem tbh.
Are you part of the Serpentis, Guristas or any other NPC rat corp? If not what is your problem with the raven?
Javelin torps?
|
Sarmaul
0utbreak
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 16:01:00 -
[46]
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Dixon
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Well... without Raven caldari wouldnt be much of a problem tbh.
Are you part of the Serpentis, Guristas or any other NPC rat corp? If not what is your problem with the raven?
Javelin torps?
Precison cruise?
Never missing?
Loads of ewar?
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS
- In Rust We Trust - |
Dixon
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 16:04:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Dixon on 25/07/2006 16:04:30
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Dixon
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Well... without Raven caldari wouldnt be much of a problem tbh.
Are you part of the Serpentis, Guristas or any other NPC rat corp? If not what is your problem with the raven?
Javelin torps?
Precison cruise?
Never missing?
Loads of ewar?
Are you ppl telling me that t2 ammo is overpowered ... AND ewar is too!!! NO WAY
that's just a real shock... time for me to take a cold shower
|
Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Verisum Family
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 16:40:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
It has been suggested that making a high slot a med slot makes it a better brutix (more or less). This is a great idea. Deimos > Brutix > Thorax. That is in fact the exact ship progression I am aiming for (with a BS in there somewhere ofc).
I personally Feel that HACs should just be extremely specialized varients of their parent cruiser, in this case the Thorax. The thorax's biggest weakness is that it has rather large cap problems, this weakness should extend over to the Deimos. I strongly believe that giving the Deimos the option to fit a cap injector while using tacklign mids would greatly overpower the ship. Currently you have to chose between dropping a web or scram to use an injector, being forced to make sacrifcies is often a good thing for ballance.
I personally do not think HACs should simply displace BCs. BCs should maintain their cap and sometimes firpower/tank advantage over HACs. The large advantage HACs have and should only have over BCs is that they are faster, more agile, and have much better resistances.
|
Bazman
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.25 16:55:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Bazman on 25/07/2006 16:55:50
Oh, how did i miss this, i was too busy whoring the other Deimos thread that was sitting there on the 1st page. Oh, and wheres that old Dash Ripcock thread...?
Buff Deimos grid by 10%. Alter Deimos' base speed to be equal or slightly faster than the Thorax. Alter Deimos' mass so it can hit 1.8 to 2km/s with a T2 MWD. Waalaa: You've fixed the ship. It can now viably fit a grid of medium ions and a decent tank, or a grid of Neutrons and an MWD with no tank (And only 1 RCU needed)
edit: also, fix the frikken Muninn. We all need a little love.
-----
Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
I am a |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |