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EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:04:00 - [1] Edited by: EMFi Manager on 24/07/2006 22:05:00 So the audit isn't finished, so why post now? Today something happened when Cally supposedly took all the isk out of UEMA's corp wallet with his alt in UEMA. I immediately logged in on my auditor account to see if there are any directors of EIBI logged in to talk to. When logged into EIBI I also saw that someone had emptied EIBI hangars and corp wallet this was done by a 1-day alt character in the corp. I convoed this character and had a really interesting conversation (over 3 hours) where he explained that (some of the) directors were fed up by being pushed around by Cally and decided to loot EIBI and run of with the assets themselves. They also stated they didn't want to hurt UEMA and promised to give Mung Lore back the isk they stole of him. Of course I considered this character to be an alt of Cally, however the quick responses to questions in the chat while Cally was talking on Team speak and some other information makes me think this isn't the case. This was one of my worries with EIBI from the beginning since the directors were to lose out when Cally's new plans would come forward. The directors would lose a lot of freedom and have a lot more controls and it was already suspected that some of hte directors would quit EIBI when the changes would go forward. I convinced the alt "Miss 26" to xfer the remaining corp shares to my auditor (Miss 26 claims not to want to hurt the investors just to get some isk out of her time in EIBI) and convinced Cally to xfer me ennough isk to reimburse all the shareholders of EIBI from Cally's personal funds. I have yet to receive the isk from Cally, but Cally promised to give enough isk in escrow to me to reimburse all the missing shares. Also Cally assures me there is enough isk in her personal wallet to cover the balance of all the accounts in the bank and the only person losing out will be Cally himself. EIBI intends pay out the 10% promised for the 3month 10% guarantee and pay the 15mil investment. I wish I could say this could have been avoided if CT didn't post, I do have a LOT more information which I will gladly share at this point but left out for this emergency statement. I will be available to answer any questions about the audit or EIB/EIBI. PS: I would also post a theory about how (some of) the directors managed to get to UEMA/EIBI wallets and which accounts were involved and which other characters were on those accounts, but I beleive that making statements like that are against the UELA, so I will refrain from making those statements on the forums. And I don't have conclusive evidence of those facts other then conversations by some of the characters involved. Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
Dark Shikari Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:04:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/07/2006 22:12:52 Holy crap. I don't think anyone expected anything quite like this. I have been told by EMFI that Cally has petitioned and the GMs are already looking into it. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II, Medium Warp Bubbles-
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:04:00 - [3] Edited by: EMFi Manager on 24/07/2006 22:04:43 The preliminary results from my Audit with EIB/EIBI First of all I didn't intend to publish any audit results till I was completely finished. However today I stumbled upon some information I can't afford to sit on without making a statement. Therefore I will post condensed version of the audit now. When the first post of CT was made accusing Cally of being a scammer I offered to do an audit of the Bank and EIBI, and I am regretting it ever since. I have gotten a lot of criticism and attacks about the audit. Also my own credibility has been attacked and I have been accused of not finishing the audit on time. In this post I will tell you only facts as I know them. I did the following actions on the audit: 1) Cally wrote me a detailed write up about the bank and EIBI, the operations and the structure all mains and alts involved in the bank. 2) We wrote a questionnaire which Cally answered. 3) We wrote a psych profile which Cally filled in and we evaluated 4) I have had an alt with jr Accountant access accepted in the bank 5) I spend hours and hours (not sure how many but 10-20 at least) on teamspeak with Cally 6) I received RL contact details of Cally. The short version of my findings (longer version will be posted if and when the audit will ever finish, and it is still necessary for it to be concluded) 1) Cally claims that: "The bank profits come from a number of corporations which EIB owns and/or has invested in, some of the corporations are 1man trading corps, also known on this forums as 'the directors' but effectively they are just investments of the bank that pay profits to the bank" also there are a lot of characters involved in the EIB/EIBI itself (+ alts) and even more in the few larger corporations supposedly owned by EIB/EIBI 2) The questionaire shed some more light on the questions answered in Q#1 3) The psych profile was quite interesting, it made me beleive that Cally isn't the type of character that would scam, but of course these aren't 100% full proof. 4) The moment I got jr. accountant access I got very scared. To be honest the wallet of the EIBI is a total mess. The wallet isn't being used as a public corp would use the wallet, barely any isk is in the wallet and barely any transactions are being done through the wallet. Cally claims that a lot of the corps pay their profits directly to Veleena and Cally instead of to the corp. Which made it practically impossible for me to finish the audit with just corp wallet access. I was able to see the corp assets, and could confirm there were a LOT of minerals spread all over eve from filled mineral orders. and there were quite a few Battleship BPOs (of some battleships multiple bpos) in the corp hangars. But definitely not enough to say anything conclusive, well besides the conclusive fact that the way that EIBI/EIB is run isn't transparent and difficult to audit. 5) I spent a lot of time with Cally on team speak and grilled her about any detail of any shady transaction I found in the wallet or double check any post or answer to any of my questions. We also talked about the reason he wanted to "restructure" the bank (see cally's post on the subject). Restructuring the bank would effectively mean divisional wallets and budgets and the possibility for EIBI to grown and maintain controllable and maintable. I decided it was worth waiting for Cally to get access to eve back in order to receive screen shots of her wallet (profit payments from her corporations) and assets etc. to confirm conclusively that EIBI isn't a scam or a fake corp. Unfortunately this hasn't happened till now. 6) I have received RL contact details and phone number of Cally and confirmed the phonenumbers authenticity. Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
Caroglac Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:07:00 - [4] insider posting... placeholder
Salazar N'terre Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:12:00 - [5] all i can say is wow! and if its against the eula, try posting what you can or are willing to at the traders lounge. "ICT BPC Sales!""I Live in my OWN LITTLE WORLD....but its okay, they know me HERE!"
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:22:00 - [6] Nice to see the audit, even if the EIB wallet procedure is a bit obscure. What I interested in is that none of the stuff about why the UEMA money vanished seems to quite add up Cally says he had sole access to that account, but it was not him thieving. That suggests some form of hacking, but no director would admit to hacking, right? I am beginning to detect a certain rodenty odour, but I don't know enough about the situations or even the eve market to be considered a very important opinion (apart from as a verifying 3rd party, which I am happy to do if people contact me)
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:31:00 - [7] Originally by: HippoKing Cally says he had sole access to that account, but it was not him thieving. That suggests some form of hacking, but no director would admit to hacking, right? [ 2006.07.24 17:54:09 ] Miss 26 > Ill ask about UEMA [ 2006.07.24 17:54:13 ] EMFI Auditor > kk [ 2006.07.24 17:54:18 ] Miss 26 > wait... [ 2006.07.24 17:54:33 ] Miss 26 > what was taken? [ 2006.07.24 17:54:37 ] EMFI Auditor > not much [ 2006.07.24 17:54:39 ] EMFI Auditor > 350mil [ 2006.07.24 17:54:46 ] Miss 26 > hmmm [ 2006.07.24 17:54:54 ] Miss 26 > is UEMA your corp? [ 2006.07.24 17:55:24 ] EMFI Auditor > but the character EIB OfficialUEMO cleaned it out and emptied the corpwallet [ 2006.07.24 17:55:29 ] EMFI Auditor > no it isn't [ 2006.07.24 17:55:31 ] EMFI Auditor > (not my corp) [ 2006.07.24 17:55:36 ] Miss 26 > i did not intend this to affect any other corps [ 2006.07.24 17:55:51 ] Miss 26 > ill get the stuff taken returned Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:36:00 - [8] So it wasn't him personally? Even so, if both lots are telling the truth, that is illegitimate account access, and someone is going to get banned
Salazar N'terre Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:37:00 - [9] Originally by: EMFi Manager Originally by: HippoKing Cally says he had sole access to that account, but it was not him thieving. That suggests some form of hacking, but no director would admit to hacking, right? [ 2006.07.24 17:54:09 ] Miss 26 > Ill ask about UEMA [ 2006.07.24 17:54:13 ] EMFI Auditor > kk [ 2006.07.24 17:54:18 ] Miss 26 > wait... [ 2006.07.24 17:54:33 ] Miss 26 > what was taken? [ 2006.07.24 17:54:37 ] EMFI Auditor > not much [ 2006.07.24 17:54:39 ] EMFI Auditor > 350mil [ 2006.07.24 17:54:46 ] Miss 26 > hmmm [ 2006.07.24 17:54:54 ] Miss 26 > is UEMA your corp? [ 2006.07.24 17:55:24 ] EMFI Auditor > but the character EIB OfficialUEMO cleaned it out and emptied the corpwallet [ 2006.07.24 17:55:29 ] EMFI Auditor > no it isn't [ 2006.07.24 17:55:31 ] EMFI Auditor > (not my corp) [ 2006.07.24 17:55:36 ] Miss 26 > i did not intend this to affect any other corps [ 2006.07.24 17:55:51 ] Miss 26 > ill get the stuff taken returned How does an alt have to ask about what is taken? let alone have to ask about UEMA? odd! Well look forward to the full information when your down, and not just the preliminary information.
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Salazar N'terre Originally by: EMFi Manager Originally by: HippoKing Cally says he had sole access to that account, but it was not him thieving. That suggests some form of hacking, but no director would admit to hacking, right? [ 2006.07.24 17:54:09 ] Miss 26 > Ill ask about UEMA [ 2006.07.24 17:54:13 ] EMFI Auditor > kk [ 2006.07.24 17:54:18 ] Miss 26 > wait... [ 2006.07.24 17:54:33 ] Miss 26 > what was taken? [ 2006.07.24 17:54:37 ] EMFI Auditor > not much [ 2006.07.24 17:54:39 ] EMFI Auditor > 350mil [ 2006.07.24 17:54:46 ] Miss 26 > hmmm [ 2006.07.24 17:54:54 ] Miss 26 > is UEMA your corp? [ 2006.07.24 17:55:24 ] EMFI Auditor > but the character EIB OfficialUEMO cleaned it out and emptied the corpwallet [ 2006.07.24 17:55:29 ] EMFI Auditor > no it isn't [ 2006.07.24 17:55:31 ] EMFI Auditor > (not my corp) [ 2006.07.24 17:55:36 ] Miss 26 > i did not intend this to affect any other corps [ 2006.07.24 17:55:51 ] Miss 26 > ill get the stuff taken returned How does an alt have to ask about what is taken? let alone have to ask about UEMA? odd! Well look forward to the full information when your down, and not just the preliminary information. [ 2006.07.24 17:54:09 ] Miss 26 > Ill ask about UEMA obviously he had to ask about UEMA, use your imagination why. Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
Cally Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:06:00 - [11] First let me assure everyone who has shares in the EIBI that they will get reimbursed for initial share value. The process will entail : Issuing this months dividends to realise the 3 month at 10% return guarantee, and then the repurchase of public shares. Normal banking operations (EIB) will continue as normal. You may still withdraw your money, deposit money, take out loans (and repay them ). EIB has not been effected by this. Explaination for recent events. Early suggestion is that someone has indeed gained access to my accounts that firstly hold the character Veleena, and secondly the account with character EIBofficialUEMO. For how long they have had access to these accounts is not known, so it can be any period from my absence up until present. I can confirm I have petitioned this incident and submited evidence regarding this. Im certain they have IP tracing on their servers so it is only a matter of time before the guilty party(s) are caught and banned. Wether this has anything to do with the recent hate campaign against us only time will tell. Pretty much all of EMFi's report is accurate. The way in which we have done things has been hectic at times and would be frowned upon should we be a completely publically owned corporation. Since the ingame features are limited, I have always used my own methods to keep records. The lack of divisional budgets Is one major problem and I have never kept all cashflow in one wallet, especially the corporate wallet. I use each director or trader as a division in effect, however this method whilst getting the results, can be subject to problems - such as lack of recorded transactions. The changes I was proposing were a means to stop this inefficent way of doing things and ensure transactions were 'more efficiently recorded' The main point here is although we have been called scam by most of you out there, find me one person who has been denied access to his account by me. Find me one of our shreholders who are yet to recieve any dividends. Actions clearly speak louder than words and should the ublic feel that they are no longer confident in the bank and withdraw their investment, so be it. They will get their isk and investment back. Any loss due to this incident will be mine and mine alone. Financial Services for the Citizens of Eve The EIB
Dark Shikari Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Cally Any loss due to this incident will be mine and mine alone. More CEOs should be like this. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II, Medium Warp Bubbles-
D'onryu Shoqui Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:24:00 - [13] Quote: I have been told by EMFI that Cally has petitioned and the GMs are already looking into it. why would the GM's even look into it? they have never cared about corp thefts before. they have always basically said "its your own fault for trusting the person".
Dark Shikari Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:25:00 - [14] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/07/2006 23:25:09 Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Quote: I have been told by EMFI that Cally has petitioned and the GMs are already looking into it. why would the GM's even look into it? they have never cared about corp thefts before. they have always basically said "its your own fault for trusting the person". No, the corp theft was done because someone accessed Cally's accounts and took the money and assets. That is a massive EULA violation. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II, Medium Warp Bubbles-
Miss 26	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:37:00 - [15] Edited by: Miss 26 on 24/07/2006 23:38:51 ok, I better say something to go some way to explaining this. Its better that the truth be known. First I will explain how access was gained to EIBI assets. I have known Cally (as you know him, I know him under a different name) through EVE for over a year now. He recently returened from a long absence from EVE and proceed not long after to set up the EIB. When the EIBI IPO was released, I was invited to join the corp as a Director. During my time in the corp, Cally chose to share login details for two of his accounts with several directors. One of these accounts contained the charecter placed by Cally in UEMA for auditing purposes. Aproximatly 24 hours ago I began a conversation with a fellow Ex-Director of EIBI. We discussed Cally's recent unexplained absence from the game, How the entire EIB orginization had collapsed in Callys absence and the amount of assets lying dormant in the EIBI corp hanger. We made the decision to Place 'Miss 26' into EIBI using one of Cally's acounts that he chose to share in order to remove and liquidate the assets. We did this because we both felt that we had put alot of our own game time and effort into EIBI, and if Cally wasn't ever returning, we should not walk away from it empty handed. I removed around 11 bilion isk of Blueprints, several hundred millions of Minerals and the contents of the corp wallet (1 billion ISK). I also found out that Cally had rather covertly (using an alt for correspondance and ISK transfer) removed and sold a valuable Tech II Cruiser BPO from the corp, which I found rather odd. It was during this time that (I belive) my partner in these actions logged onto the UEMA audit chracter and removed shares and corp wallet. At this point we did not know who UEMA were. As EMFI Manager has quoted from our very lengthy chat, I did not intend UEMA to be damaged by our actions. Our quarrel was with Cally and Cally only. I intend to have UEMAs assets returned as soon as I can. This afternoon the character 'EMFI Auditor' logged on and began a conversation with me. I had no idea an audit had been going on, he explained that UEMA had been cleaned out and I immediatly told him about our seizing of all EIBI assets. I promised him that UEMAs assets will be returned and I intend to keep that promise. EMFI Auditor asked that I give him the shares I removed from EIBI, and I did. I discussed the findings of EMFI Auditor's audit with him, pointing out some discrepancies I have seen in EIBI's accounts. I gave him my side of the story concerning the internal running of EIBI, and suffice to say it doesn't fit well with the well organized professional exterior Cally portrays. I'll finish by saying that my actions over the past 24 hours were nothing but us attempting to make sure that we didnt walk away from months of work empty handed. We truely believed that the EIB was dead in the water. I wish to appologise publicly to UEMA, the EIBI shareholders and last of all Cally. This was never meant to come into the public eye like this, I truely regrett my actions. I would also like to thank EMFi Manager for his wise words throughout today. If banning from the game is a consequence of my actions, I am willing to accept it. I take sole responsibility for what has happened. SHORT EDIT- Cally's reputation should not be left scarred by this. The damage was done by me. Cally should not be held responsable.
Dark Shikari Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:41:00 - [16] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/07/2006 23:41:12 But since EIB isn't dead in the water and Cally is back, do you intend to return the stolen assets? If your theft was simply to "get something out of it since EIB was dead," you would indeed do so. If not, your theft is just cold-blooded corp thieving using methods against the EULA to do so. If you are going to justify your actions, take responsibility for those justifications. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II, Medium Warp Bubbles-
Miss 26	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Dark Shikari But since EIB isn't dead in the water and Cally is back, do you intend to return the stolen assets? Yes I do, I am going to (so long as he agrees) to place all the assets in my possesion + the liquid isk I have gained into the hands of EMFi Manager. So far in this he has been very honest and fair and I trust him to hold the assets until the situation can be resolved. I'd like to also make it clear that I am not a 'hacker', I would have no idea how to go about forcing my way into an account or 'stealing' a password. I simply logged into the accounts as I would my own, using a username and password.
Anyanka Chantais Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:50:00 - [18] agreed. if you "truly regret" doing it, then logic states you would return all the assets, not just what EMFI asked for. of course i'm biased as i don't approve of thievery. sure i cleaned out a dead corp before i left once, but first i asked the other officers and made damn sure the CEO wasnt coming back. you clearly failed to research before your theft, which is obvious from your not knowing about the audit.
Caroglac Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:51:00 - [19] quoted simply to preserve the clear admision of eula violation in this corp theft. Originally by: Miss 26 Edited by: Miss 26 on 24/07/2006 23:50:29 Edited by: Miss 26 on 24/07/2006 23:38:51 ok, I better say something to go some way to explaining this. Its better that the truth be known. First I will explain how access was gained to EIBI assets. I have known Cally (as you know him, I know him under a different name) through EVE for over a year now. He recently returened from a long absence from EVE and proceed not long after to set up the EIB. When the EIBI IPO was released, I was invited to join the corp as a Director. During my time in the corp, Cally chose to share login details for two of his accounts with several directors. One of these accounts contained the charecter placed by Cally in UEMA for auditing purposes. Aproximatly 24 hours ago I began a conversation with a fellow Ex-Director of EIBI. We discussed Cally's recent unexplained absence from the game, How the entire EIB orginization had collapsed in Callys absence and the amount of assets lying dormant in the EIBI corp hanger. We made the decision to Place 'Miss 26' into EIBI using one of Cally's acounts that he chose to share in order to remove and liquidate the assets. We did this because we both felt that we had put alot of our own game time and effort into EIBI, and if Cally wasn't ever returning, we should not walk away from it empty handed. I removed around 11 bilion isk of Blueprints, several hundred millions of Minerals and the contents of the corp wallet (1 billion ISK). I also found out that Cally had rather covertly (using an alt for correspondance and ISK transfer) removed and sold a valuable Tech II Cruiser BPO from the corp, which I found rather odd. It was during this time that (I belive) my partner in these actions logged onto the UEMA audit chracter and removed shares and corp wallet. At this point we did not know who UEMA were. As EMFI Manager has quoted from our very lengthy chat, I did not intend UEMA to be damaged by our actions. Our quarrel was with Cally and Cally only. I intend to have UEMAs assets returned as soon as I can. This afternoon the character 'EMFI Auditor' logged on and began a conversation with me. I had no idea an audit had been going on, he explained that UEMA had been cleaned out and I immediatly told him about our seizing of all EIBI assets. I promised him that UEMAs assets will be returned and I intend to keep that promise. EMFI Auditor asked that I give him the shares I removed from EIBI, and I did. I discussed the findings of EMFI Auditor's audit with him, pointing out some discrepancies I have seen in EIBI's accounts. I gave him my side of the story concerning the internal running of EIBI, and suffice to say it doesn't fit well with the well organized professional exterior Cally portrays. I'll finish by saying that my actions over the past 24 hours were nothing but us attempting to make sure that we didnt walk away from months of work empty handed. We truely believed that the EIB was dead in the water. I wish to appologise publicly to UEMA, the EIBI shareholders and last of all Cally. This was never meant to come into the public eye like this, I truely regrett my actions. I would also like to thank EMFi Manager for his wise words throughout today. If banning from the game is a consequence of my actions, I am willing to accept it. I take sole responsibility for what has happened.
Dark Shikari Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:54:00 - [20] I would suggest that people stop making a huge deal about the "EULA violation" in the case that the "thief" gives back the assets --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II, Medium Warp Bubbles-
Miss 26	Posted - 2006.07.24 23:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Anyanka Chantais you clearly failed to research before your theft, which is obvious from your not knowing about the audit. I based my reasoning on the fact that Cally's ingame characters have not been seen logged on in weeks. Looking over this forum tonight shows that Cally has maintained activity on the forums. I do not spend any time browsing the market discussion forum usually, and that is why I failled to notice.
Tami Auryn Natural Evolution	Posted - 2006.07.25 00:04:00 - [22] Here's some conspiracy teory for you, you say you know Cally from another char, you say Cally sold a HAC Bpo. Also Cally says he's going to loose isk and payout. This is the recent auction of a Eagle BPO EAGLE BPO Here's this player liquidating alot of good BPOs, Other BPOS Someone like Currin analize writing styles or something. It might be a coincidence, but if nothing else, it's a coicidence. Is Raven DeBlade Cally's Main ?
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.07.25 00:29:00 - [23] ... no comment ... As for the BPO - i mentioned in another thread that after i sold a Pilgrim BPO to cally, there was a lockdown message via evemail, from an EIB employee, but not Cally. I think i remember who it was, but not clearly enough to mention it. Sometimes later i received an unlock mail from the same character. I deleted both mails, but every shareholder should have received them. Easy to verify. Pilgrim is an recon cruiser, so i would say its highly likely that it is the BPO in question. Selling it would even make sense, as the prices have been - sadly - dropping...
Domain Diva	Posted - 2006.07.25 00:36:00 - [24] Edited by: Domain Diva on 25/07/2006 00:36:32 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 25/07/2006 00:09:05 I would suggest that people stop making a huge deal about the "EULA violation" in the case that the "thief" gives back the assets Also, you don't have to quote things: EVE-Search stores peoples' original posts. Deliberately sharing your log-on details with another person is a serious breach of EULA rules. I personally know someone who had all their accounts banned for doing just that. You are NOT allowed to share accounts for any means what so ever. Not even to allow a freind to refuel your POS, or change skills whilst you're away on holiday. So I doubt the GM's will look kindly on this EIB episode. Ban the lot and let god sort 'em out.
Dark Shikari Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 00:43:00 - [25] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 25/07/2006 00:43:41 Originally by: Domain Diva Originally by: Dark Shikari I would suggest that people stop making a huge deal about the "EULA violation" in the case that the "thief" gives back the assets Also, you don't have to quote things: EVE-Search stores peoples' original posts. Deliberately sharing your log-on details with another person is a serious breach of EULA rules. I personally know someone who had all their accounts banned for doing just that. You are NOT allowed to share accounts for any means what so ever. Not even to allow a freind to refuel your POS, or change skills whilst you're away on holiday. So I doubt the GM's will look kindly on this EIB episode. Ban the lot and let god sort 'em out. Where does it say sharing login details is against the rules? Sharing accounts is against the rules. Thus its only against the rules until the person uses the login details. P.S. If they banned everyone who shared accounts, nearly every single major corporation would fall apart instantly. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II, Medium Warp Bubbles-
Domain Diva	Posted - 2006.07.25 00:59:00 - [26] Edited by: Domain Diva on 25/07/2006 01:05:59 Originally by: Dark Shikari If they banned everyone who shared accounts, nearly every single major corporation would fall apart instantly. We all know lots of people do it, and the only way the GM's find out about it is when a problem arises and someone either a) petitions that something went missing from their character when so & so had access to it.... or b) people publicly admit to doing it. Let me ask you this, if someone shared their account details to a fellow player, and that fellow player decided to liquidate all the characters assets, launder the money, and then sell the character to some unsuspecting soul, how big a mess do you think is left for the GM's to sort out? They have to trace all that isk, reimburse everyone involved, refund the $20 to whoever paid the transfer fee, transfer the character back to its original account, and possibly compensate the poor sap who bought the character. It is much much easier to quote the EULA and simply ban all those involved for breaking the rules and be done with it in one quick swoop. And thats what they do.
Salazar N'terre Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 01:06:00 - [27] hmm I do not see where cally admitted to sharing his information with anyone?
Dark Shikari Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 01:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Salazar N'terre hmm I do not see where cally admitted to sharing his information with anyone? That's because he didn't --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II, Medium Warp Bubbles-
Domain Diva	Posted - 2006.07.25 01:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Salazar N'terre hmm I do not see where cally admitted to sharing his information with anyone? One of Cally's "employee's" has admitted it in this thread if you read through it.... Originally by: Miss 26 First I will explain how access was gained to EIBI assets. I have known Cally (as you know him, I know him under a different name) through EVE for over a year now. He recently returened from a long absence from EVE and proceed not long after to set up the EIB. When the EIBI IPO was released, I was invited to join the corp as a Director. During my time in the corp, Cally chose to share login details for two of his accounts with several directors. One of these accounts contained the charecter placed by Cally in UEMA for auditing purposes. Quote:
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 01:32:00 - [30] That is one hell of a turn of events. I will be watching this thread closely today, I have already cooked the popcorn. Haven't seen drama this good since Melrose Place. Yes, I have a vested interest in this, but it is still very entertaining. Employee goes awol on employer, cleans him out, finds out employer hadn't skipped the country, apologises and returns all stolen property, faces possible execution by the court of law. Spectacular.

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