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Jager Slade
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:48:00 -
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As to the Eagle BPO up for Auction, there was a recent Post of a Pirate who smartbombed a Condor and got 5 T2 BPO's including an Eagle. the details were not clear and the OP said that they were busy getting drunk |
Miss 26
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:52:00 -
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We took advantage of Callys months of friendship, endless generosity and boundless trust. We did what we did, we regret it and now we suffer. We abused the trust of a person who wanted to do nothing but good for us, and for that we appologise.
It's time to face the music.
This will be my last post on the subject, or indeed ever.
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Salazar N'terre
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Domain Diva
Originally by: Salazar N'terre hmm I do not see where cally admitted to sharing his information with anyone?
One of Cally's "employee's" has admitted it in this thread if you read through it....
Originally by: Miss 26
First I will explain how access was gained to EIBI assets.
I have known Cally (as you know him, I know him under a different name) through EVE for over a year now. He recently returened from a long absence from EVE and proceed not long after to set up the EIB. When the EIBI IPO was released, I was invited to join the corp as a Director. During my time in the corp, Cally chose to share login details for two of his accounts with several directors. One of these accounts contained the charecter placed by Cally in UEMA for auditing purposes. Quote:
do you always believe one side of the story, and then quote it as truth? OMG dark Shikari told me about his login details, it must be true |
Semblence
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:15:00 -
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Soap-opera shinnanegans aside, I take it that the EMFI Audit was entirely unable to establish the legitimacy of the business model? By which I mean strictly that the audit was unable to produce reasonable evidence that the stated returns were being achieved and could continue to be achieved in the future. I.e. could someone successfully use the same business model but without the ratings-grabbing plot-twists?
(My guess - Cally will now get shot but wake up and find it was all a dream, like in Dallas. Then someone will get amnesia and marry their ex-wife, or something.)
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Salazar N'terre
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Semblence Soap-opera shinnanegans aside, I take it that the EMFI Audit was entirely unable to establish the legitimacy of the business model? By which I mean strictly that the audit was unable to produce reasonable evidence that the stated returns were being achieved and could continue to be achieved in the future. I.e. could someone successfully use the same business model but without the ratings-grabbing plot-twists?
(My guess - Cally will now get shot but wake up and find it was all a dream, like in Dallas. Then someone will get amnesia and marry their ex-wife, or something.)
Originally by: EMFi Manager The preliminary results from my Audit with EIB/EIBI
actually this if your read was EMFI managers opening statement, he is currently still working on finishing the audit, as detail will be later released. Having released what he had so far after the UEMA issue, was just to inform the market public. I applaud him for this action.
Originally by: Indomitus Rex
I cant help it if I am a troll! But my opinion is all that matters, so stfu!
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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:36:00 -
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Ah, I see, it is the classic soap-opera cliffhanger ending!
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Currin Trading
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:50:00 -
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Let me see if I understand the latest...
1. Cally's alt steals money from a corporation. 2. Cally denies it. 3. It's proven. 4. Cally blames the theft on a day-old alt. 5. The alt immediately accepts full responsibility, heaping lavish praise on Cally.
Looks like business as usual at EIB, the happiest bank on earth! |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Currin Trading Let me see if I understand the latest...
1. Cally's alt steals money from a corporation. 2. Cally denies it. 3. It's proven. 4. Cally blames the theft on a day-old alt. 5. The alt immediately accepts full responsibility, heaping lavish praise on Cally.
Looks like business as usual at EIB, the happiest bank on earth!
What took you so long to show up?? The funny thing, is that it isn't until after currin shows up that we will get all the alts jumping back in to post. Coincidence? sure
Currin all you understand is the right way to put your underpants on every morning, as your parents mark the front with a big star.
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Salazar N'terre
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Currin Trading Let me see if I understand the latest...
1. Cally's alt steals money from a corporation. 2. Cally denies it. 3. It's proven. 4. Cally blames the theft on a day-old alt. 5. The alt immediately accepts full responsibility, heaping lavish praise on Cally.
Looks like business as usual at EIB, the happiest bank on earth!
1) I think you missed the part where a director who is disgruntled, places an alt in the corp, and then clears what he can and then his partner in crime logs on a character in UEMA and steals 350mil.
2) Cally comes on, posts that someone has hacked his other account with Valeena and the character with access to UEMA's wallet.
3) what is proven?
4) EMFI discovers who stole the isk and discovers the truth behind the theft.
5) the alt feels guilt? remorse, something you talk about in your thread, but we all know its sympathy you were after all along.
Originally by: Ricdic
Currin all you understand is the right way to put your underpants on every morning, as your parents mark the front with a big star.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 04:04:00 -
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6. Currin the attention monger (I'd prefer the more apt phrasing, but the filter prevents) posts more idiocy to get more attention. 7. 20 of Currin's alts show up to inject more of his idiocy to get more attention.
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violator2k5
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 04:26:00 -
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did the other directors clear out the rest of the t2 ship bpos that were in possession of EIBI or are they still available?
im wondering cos it may still be able for cally to salvage and continue to run EIBI providing everything is returned that has not already been sold.
imo, RE: what has happened thus far has really been a turn of events. i am wondering tho how cally intends to do business in future after getting winded like this from people he once trusted.
i guess the phrase "keep your friends close but your enemies closer" springs to mind
i am disapointed with how this has turned out, but i guess not as much as cally as he put a lot of time and effort into it
Need A Merc? ......... Hire Chav today
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Athena Valentina
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Posted - 2006.07.25 06:12:00 -
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How is logging on to someone else's account EULA violation if the account owner gave his account info away in the first place ?
Isn't the password give away the violation?
Ah well it probably can never be proven he gave it away in the first place.
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Miss 26 During my time in the corp, Cally chose to share login details for two of his accounts with several directors. One of these accounts contained the charecter placed by Cally in UEMA for auditing purposes.
Contrasts quite strongly with:
Originally by: Cally Im afraid your mistaken. I have the character EIB OfficialUEMO on one of my accounts and only me has any access to it.
which was recently removed from here. It can still be seen here
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.07.25 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: Eilene Fernite on 25/07/2006 07:38:31 Edited by: Eilene Fernite on 25/07/2006 07:37:18
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Miss 26 During my time in the corp, Cally chose to share login details for two of his accounts with several directors. One of these accounts contained the charecter placed by Cally in UEMA for auditing purposes.
Contrasts quite strongly with:
Originally by: Cally Im afraid your mistaken. I have the character EIB OfficialUEMO on one of my accounts and only me has any access to it.
which was recently removed from here. It can still be seen here
Exactly. So someone is lying about this. If Cally did indeed share his login details, his petition to the GM's is pointless. They will (and should) only reimburse 'stolen' ISK and items if it has been done through hacking. Anything else (sharing logins, stolen pc, etc) is unverifyable for the GM's, so they can't act on that.
Furthermore, sharing your login details is a serious breach of the EULA. Lemonde suggested it as a solution in case pilots couldn't make it for the pvp tournament, but that comment got quickly deleted. My guess is because CCP can't and won't make it look like they condone sharing login details.
So in short, it's either one of three options:
1. Cally is lying about sharing his login details in order to avoid being banned.
2. The alt is lying about not hacking into the account to seize the assets.
3. Cally and the alt are in fact the same, and the whole thing is more fishy than it seems.
Oh and to CCP in case you're watching. Please don't make any rash decisions about this matter unless it's absolutely clear that an existing rule has been violated. If you're going to step into this, please make sure you only have to do it once, and not end up reversing and/or altering decisions like you have done in the past.
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 07:46:00 -
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I'd love if everyone involved in this (including EMFi Manager) were just alts (or at least those in on the joke) playing an elaborate masquerade to add some excitement to the scam for the scammers.
Of course, thats pretty unlikely, and EIB may very well not be a scam. I'd just love it if it was, for the sheer coolness of running a theatre like this where you are playing all the sides with different masks on
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 25/07/2006 00:56:03
Originally by: Domain Diva
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I would suggest that people stop making a huge deal about the "EULA violation" in the case that the "thief" gives back the assets
Also, you don't have to quote things: EVE-Search stores peoples' original posts.
Deliberately sharing your log-on details with another person is a serious breach of EULA rules. I personally know someone who had all their accounts banned for doing just that.
You are NOT allowed to share accounts for any means what so ever. Not even to allow a freind to refuel your POS, or change skills whilst you're away on holiday. So I doubt the GM's will look kindly on this EIB episode.
Ban the lot and let god sort 'em out.
If they banned everyone who shared accounts, nearly every single major corporation would fall apart instantly.
All too much in EVE relies on the sharing of accounts, and not because people are short on money to get extra accounts.
@ Domain.
EULA is only a guideline to protect CCP's resources from problems like this. If players dont follow the guideline and when crap happens, CCP can chose to do it the easy way i.e. ban everything. ISKs and accounts are locked down and CCP doesnt need to spend countless of GM hours fixing this. I am guessing but I would do the same as CCP if I am running the show though especially with a perverse game like EvE.
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.07.25 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing I'd love if everyone involved in this (including EMFi Manager) were just alts (or at least those in on the joke) playing an elaborate masquerade to add some excitement to the scam for the scammers.
Of course, thats pretty unlikely, and EIB may very well not be a scam. I'd just love it if it was, for the sheer coolness of running a theatre like this where you are playing all the sides with different masks on
While it would be fun, it would take a major nuthead to actually perform this. The prelimenary audit appears to rule out that the EIB is some kind of pyramid scheme. Why else would there be high value bpo's around, etc.
And what would be the point to run a bunch of accounts by yourself to actually work to make isk, if you're intention is to scam? There's always the possibility of taking off with the corp assets and isk, but that goes for all of Eve's corporations.
So far, the results of the audit don't make me think it's a scam. I do think there's something seriously wrong with how Cally handled security. Apperently he put his trust in the wrong people, as it appears he was cleaned out by one of his own directors.
Another thing that is curious:
Originally by: Miss 26 This afternoon the character 'EMFI Auditor' logged on and began a conversation with me. I had no idea an audit had been going on
This is a director? Someone with access to at least one of Cally's accounts (in one way or another). How is it possible the he has no clue about an audit going on?
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EMFi Manager
EvE Mutual Fund Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.25 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Eilene Fernite
This is a director? Someone with access to at least one of Cally's accounts (in one way or another). How is it possible the he has no clue about an audit going on?
I had my auditor logged in te whole night and since found out who the miss 26's main is, he left the operation weeks ago (before the audit) and sold his personal EIBI shares for profit (actually I found out that the EMFI fund bought his shares). The exact details I don't know but it could be that he just doesn't read this forum and for some reason was able to empty EIBI & UEMA. Also he said he didn't find out about Mung Lore's post till hours after Mung posted.
It could all be a charade, a lot of alts shouting at eachother and blaming eachother. This is something that is on the top of my list of "things to find out" I will try to get Cally+Miss 26+ another director involved in the shouting on 1 teamspeak & get screenshots etc. To 100% verify this isn't just theatre.
Alt of Naphtalia
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Heikki
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 08:54:00 -
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Although often verbal with my accusations, I am rather baffled by this drama. Kind of feeling that I don't believe either option being true (EIB pyramid scam or EIB honest operation). Good thing there is someone else working hard to shed light to all the shady places, to clear up the doubts.
Any, since eve-search is down, and too used to rely on it: a while ago I offered 1B bet on issue of EIB being scam or not. Since nobody has yet taken it (and can't find the post to edit it), I'll cancel the offer.
Don't know what really is going on, but will be fun to watch; not all the magnificent PvP fights are fought with ships.
Keep up the good work Napthalia.
-Lasse
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.07.25 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: EMFi Manager I had my auditor logged in te whole night and since found out who the miss 26's main is, he left the operation weeks ago (before the audit) and sold his personal EIBI shares for profit (actually I found out that the EMFI fund bought his shares). The exact details I don't know but it could be that he just doesn't read this forum and for some reason was able to empty EIBI & UEMA. Also he said he didn't find out about Mung Lore's post till hours after Mung posted.
Ah, that also makes sense of why he needed a partner to actually seize the assets. Did they also tell you who that was?
Quote: It could all be a charade, a lot of alts shouting at eachother and blaming eachother. This is something that is on the top of my list of "things to find out" I will try to get Cally+Miss 26+ another director involved in the shouting on 1 teamspeak & get screenshots etc. To 100% verify this isn't just theatre.
I'm glad I'm not in your shoes. You deserve the utmost appreciation and respect for all the hard work you're doing for this case.
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EMFi Manager
EvE Mutual Fund Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.25 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Eilene Fernite
Ah, that also makes sense of why he needed a partner to actually seize the assets. Did they also tell you who that was?
Nope, but EIBI (Cally and Kal) claim to know who both characters involved are. If you think Cally's response to Mung was nasty, you should see corpchat o.O
Alt of Naphtalia
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.07.25 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Taurequis on 25/07/2006 10:35:38 Hi,
Tbh although this is drama i'm still not seeing it as an unfolding scam....
I'm glad that I advised Mung after his initial post to go into chats with a "soft hat" approach & truely hope that he gets his stuff back (which by all means it seems he will).
Once again EMFI prooves why he has my faith and isk. Sterling service. Respect to all those involved with your venture too.
Quick comment on the Audit (im badly skiving at work just now). I kind of expected the corp wallet and assets to be a state. I've seen Cally's posts requesting massive minerial buy orders on the Traders lounge and have alot of experience in this area myself.
As she was running massive buy orders off the corp account beyond that and with sub alts its just going to get messy. Especially with the controlling head ceo being un able to log in for weeks now. Stuff is just going to build up around the manufacturing sites.
Add to this the quickly expanding nature of this new venture the sheer scale of what Cally is attempting to do is bound to be a logistical hell (especially in the context of not being logged in for an eon). I presume this inherent organisational chaos is the primary reason for the proposed re-organisation. Remember setting up and running a wide scale multi regional mega conglomerate manufacturing buisness just doesnt happen on the first attempt of logistics. It takes time and revisions to work cleanly and effectively.
Beyond that as with any corp that loose's its CEO and direction for any length of time people start to leave (including directors). Directors leaving is always a time of high corp theft risk as they are inclined when not directly managed or thanked for the work they feel they put in to "help themselves".
So i can buy all that....
My only question is now.....
Cally - when are you actually going to be able to log in and play again? Has your comp arrived? are you in game already?
Best Regards,
Taurequis
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Domain Diva
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Posted - 2006.07.25 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Domain Diva on 25/07/2006 10:58:50
Originally by: Salazar N'terre do you always believe one side of the story, and then quote it as truth? OMG dark Shikari told me about his login details, it must be true
Do you always try and interpret someones post the wrong way and then make yourself look foolish by posting silly things like the above?
I quoted nothing as the truth, and where exactly have I said I beleive one side of the story over the other?. Its not my job to discover the truth - thats the GM's task, not mine. I simply quoted what's been said in this thread and pointed out a few things that may come back to haunt those involved if the GM's do indeed investigate it.
Either way I don't care who's done what to who and who's broke which rule and why. This entire thread is an interesting read to say the least.... and long may it continue! I think we've only seen the tip of the iceberg, so I'm staying tuned for more
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Domain Diva
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Posted - 2006.07.25 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Miss 26 During my time in the corp, Cally chose to share login details for two of his accounts with several directors. One of these accounts contained the charecter placed by Cally in UEMA for auditing purposes.
Contrasts quite strongly with:
Originally by: Cally Im afraid your mistaken. I have the character EIB OfficialUEMO on one of my accounts and only me has any access to it.
which was recently removed from here. It can still be seen here
Hmmmm... that is very suspicious.
The plot thickens
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Lisa Payne
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Posted - 2006.07.25 11:30:00 -
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did someone contemplate the possibility that cally has Multiple personality disorder
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.07.25 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Taurequis on 25/07/2006 11:41:43
Originally by: Lisa Payne did someone contemplate the possibility that cally has Multiple personality disorder
We are all playing an online roleplaying game...
nuff said
Edited - For removal of Cally TM grammer error as defined by Currin.
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Ferrosa
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 11:54:00 -
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You want the truth? You can't handle the truth...
Sorry, that movie just keeps coming back to me when I keep reading stuff like this Selling drones at Lyonesse Inc. |
Hari Sel'don
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 12:28:00 -
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I have to say that for people with billions of isk lying around doing nothing, waiting for that juicy opportunity to come along, these kind of events really don't do much for confidence in these mickey mouse schemes. On the other hand its all human nature, wtf do you all expect?
Tis grand entertainment on my lunch break though, thanks
Naph m8, amazing work, keep it up. False flattery aside, EMFi is probably the only scheme worth a damn right now.
Good luck to all the shareholders o/
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Ashis
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.25 13:32:00 -
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Wow. Awesome.
Option 1: EIB is a ****-poorly run business which has just had a run of bad luck, and manages to be successful inspite of itself.
Option 2: EIB is a brilliant and multi-layered scam involving phenomenal intuition and solid psycological evaluation and manipulation.
I have to admit I'm leaning towards Option 1 -- here's why:
A) The story at this point is so convuluted that if the truth is Option 2 then the scammer is no longer doing it for the money so much as the joy of running this massive scam. It just seems that the effort and frustration has outweighed the pay-off. And if that's the case there are more profitable things this person could move on to without staying with this sinking ship.
B)Whenever there is a choice between people being incompotent or hyper-compotent its usually safe to pick the former.
That said, I'll be so entertained if I'm wrong! __________
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Nate D
GR0M
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Posted - 2006.07.25 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Nate D on 25/07/2006 14:10:46 poorly run? Maybe so, but adaptive as well. If a bank can stay open for business and still pay dividends after such a castastrophy then that's something to say eh?
-Nate D
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