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Shelix Anakasian
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:25:00 -
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Any suggestions on this one?
Amog other things, I'm an intermediary ship seller. IE, I find customers for ship sellers, convince them to pay a bit more than the ship seller was going to ask, make a kick-back from the profit, and send the money on to the manufacturer. I save manufacturers from having to find customers, and doesn't really cost them anything at all.
This morning, A GM debited my account for 1.9 billion ISK, and refunded it to a couple of buyers. They got their two Charon freighters, and the supplier got 1.85 billion of that. I've petitioned...but my wallet is currently at -1.8 billion ISK. Given that I'm the Chief Financial Officer for my corporation, this presents some problems, namely in folks who want to buy shares. But I can't do missions either (can't afford collateral) and my plethora of buy orders...I don't even want to go there... :(
-Shelix
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Dexus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:28:00 -
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I'll send you 2 bil when I get ingame
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:28:00 -
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That definatly doesent sound right...
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Scythus Aratan
Shadow Company
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:30:00 -
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Why did the GM take the isk?
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Nihn Lemai
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Dexus
I'll send you 2 bil when I get ingame
I got -2 bil to!!
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:33:00 -
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Sounds like someone took advantage of that escrow exploit that the Devs fixed the other day. 
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:34:00 -
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Riiiiiiiiiiiight, now that you've given us this version, let's hear what really happened.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 25/07/2006 00:35:55
which escrow exploit would that be?
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:45:00 -
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That's the ISK seller witch hunt. Petition it and you will get your money back.
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Darkstarr
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:57:00 -
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Well first off.....
GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance.
Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out.
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SengH
Black Omega Security
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Darkstarr
Well first off.....
GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance.
Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out.
yeah they will... I remember them putting someone who gained some isk illegitmately with a -900mil wallet balance and he came on the forums to whine about it. I also know alot of people who have gone into - wallet balance when their ships have been reimbursed and CCP yanked the insurance.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:00:00 -
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the sensmoral of it all is "dont exploit"
if something appears to good to be true then it propably is.
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Darkstarr
Well first off.....
GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance.
Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out.
yeah they will... I remember them putting someone who gained some isk illegitmately with a -900mil wallet balance and he came on the forums to whine about it. I also know alot of people who have gone into - wallet balance when their ships have been reimbursed and CCP yanked the insurance.
They did, it was bittersweet to see M0o beg for handouts on the forums.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Pardack
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Darkstarr
Well first off.....
GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance.
Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out.
They sure are allowed to do that and it happens regularly. When you lose a ship let's say to lag. You get your insurance payment. Then you petition the loss. Some time passes and you spend a bunch of the ISK. Then you get your ship re-imbursed. GMs then deduct the insurance amount from your wallet and voila, you're in negative isk. Happens all the time. That's not the only way to get into negative ISK from GM actions either.
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Jonis Sinmaker
Valiant Logistics Inc.
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jonis Sinmaker on 25/07/2006 01:10:29
Originally by: Darkstarr
Well first off.....
GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance.
Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out.
You sir, are wrong....
GM's can and will put you at a negative balance.. Just ask Conmen about logging in to a -2 billion isk on his wallet a month or so ago. GM's IMO are not doing their jobs...they see people with lots of isk and no real income flow other then high end incoming received from players or escrow and assume they are buying/selling isk. They don't ask or even investigate...they just take. This is why when you hire someone to make sure the laws of your game world are kept up and followed you need competent people doing it and not somebody who doesn't know his ass from a whole in the ground.
If the GM's would LOOK and INVESTIGATE they might be able to follow thru with REAL isk sellers instead of those who are just rich.
Also no I have never lost isk to GM's, mainly because I'm always dirt broke but I have been accused of stuff by GM's and it wasn't until I gave proof of my innocence did they lift the ban....I guess in EVE you are guilty until proven innocent....kinda backwards if you ask me.
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Shelix Anakasian
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:11:00 -
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Well, I did petition, but haven't heard back yet. I don't know anything about an escrow bug - I read something yesterday about it getting fixed.
I petitioned, supplied the name of the buyers, what the money went for, and everything. The problem really is that the money went into my wallet, and right back out as soon as the ships were sold. So I didn't have 1.9 billion for them to take away. Hence...I'm at -1.8 billion wallet balance.
I woul very much like to hear back from a GM. :(
-Shelix
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Darkstarr
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: Darkstarr on 25/07/2006 01:16:19
EDIT: for spelling
Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Darkstarr
Well first off.....
GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance.
Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out.
yeah they will... I remember them putting someone who gained some isk illegitmately with a -900mil wallet balance and he came on the forums to whine about it. I also know alot of people who have gone into - wallet balance when their ships have been reimbursed and CCP yanked the insurance.
When it comes to exploiters, I'm sure all rules/guidelines are out the window. The offender should be happy the account wasn't banned.
You mentioned the ship reimbursement... GMs are not allowed to place a player into negative balance for those types of issues. What the GM normally does is tell you he will reimburse your ship as soon as you have the isks to replace the insurance. Once you have the isks, you simply notify that GM and he takes the isks and places your ship into the station you was in during the last DT, unless you specify a different location... or something to that effect.
If a GM places you into negative balance, don't hesitate to contact him and work the problem.
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Shelix Anakasian
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:20:00 -
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Well, I've contacted...this morning. Its about time for me to go to bed, and I haven't heard back yet. :(
There's a lot of money that flows into my wallet. Unfortunately, it flows right back out again; I'm just a hub; IE, corporate accountant and sales guy. I'm literally unable to work with our corporate wallet (or the money we keep stashed in our holding company) because I can't deal with ISK. *cry*
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Darkstarr
Well first off.....
GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance.
Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out.
You are wrong, same goes for your 2nd reply aswell.
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Powder
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
yeah they will... I remember them putting someone who gained some isk illegitmately with a -900mil wallet balance and he came on the forums to whine about it. I also know alot of people who have gone into - wallet balance when their ships have been reimbursed and CCP yanked the insurance.
They did, it was bittersweet to see M0o beg for handouts on the forums.
it was just Rev not m0o as a whole, and tbh for what he gave to the community with all his videos it was fair enough that he ask for a little help back from it, i belive he ended up well positive in a day or so and i think his negative balance was 1b or so, but that was back when 1b was alot.
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Shelix Anakasian
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:00:00 -
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I don't think I'll resort to begging for money. I think I would rather just a GM respond to my petition and um...fix it.
If the 1.9 billion ISK was somehow "tainted," then they should reverse the transaction. IE, my ship supplier loses 1.9 billion ISK, and gets his two Charons back. Regardless, it wasn't my ISK to have in the first place...I'm not sure why its been taken away from me..into the freakin' negative almost 2 billion.
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Pardack
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Darkstarr
You mentioned the ship reimbursement... GMs are not allowed to place a player into negative balance for those types of issues. What the GM normally does is tell you he will reimburse your ship as soon as you have the isks to replace the insurance. Once you have the isks, you simply notify that GM and he takes the isks and places your ship into the station you was in during the last DT, unless you specify a different location... or something to that effect.
If a GM places you into negative balance, don't hesitate to contact him and work the problem.
Stop propagating myths. GMs WILL put your wallet into negative ISK. Read what others have wrote, the information comes from experience. It can and does happen.
Originally by: Shelix Anakasian
I don't think I'll resort to begging for money. I think I would rather just a GM respond to my petition and um...fix it.
The current petiion queue may have you waiting a few weeks before a response  Unfortunately there's not much you can do to expedite it
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Shelix Anakasian
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:46:00 -
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*cry* Weeks? *snip* Please do not beg on the forums. -Ivan K
Arg...CCP loses 5 cool points for this one.
-Shelix
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Zyper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Zyper on 25/07/2006 02:53:43
Back when i had my ship replaced due to lag, i got a mail saying it could not be done before i had enough money to pay back the insurance money (because he woulden't have my wallet go into the negative). I just quickly borrowed some ISK (which i could pay back when i sold my new 2nd ship) and he then fixed it a few mins after.
But it just goes to show that they dont always screw you over :) And it was a VERY quick service too, almost instant response to the 3-4 emails.
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Shelix Anakasian
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Posted - 2006.07.25 03:28:00 -
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Arg...its been a day already without a response. And we're not talking about a ship, we're talking about a GM taking 1.9 billion out of my wallet...when I had 77 million in my wallet to begin with.
That 1.9 billion was payment for two Charon freighters, of which all but 50 million left my wallet and went to the ship builder. The GM debited my wallet by 1.9 billion ISK and returned it to the folks who paid for the ships...but they DID get the ships. I don't have that kind of cash laying around...I'm a corporate accountant, and most of the money that flows through my wallet is business, not personal funds.
I continue to be frustrated.
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Jacxx
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Posted - 2006.07.25 03:35:00 -
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The problems I see with your story is:
Billions are being passed through your account for ship sales and you mentioned keeping a small amount, yet you only had 77 mil in your wallet?
You are a young character, no picture or anything. You also aren't part of a player corp, or atleast one isn't displayed. Why would you be trusted with billions of isk?
How did you really make 2 bil?
Mind giving us the names of the people who bought the freighters?
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Shelix Anakasian
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Posted - 2006.07.25 04:05:00 -
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Jacxx:
I'm three months old. :) As for having a picture, I presume that has something to do with your profile? I'm not a forum warrior. I presume the same holds true for the player corporation? If you look me up in game, you'd see that I'm the Chief Financial Officer for Rogue Trade Cartel. As such...billions DO go through my wallet. =)
Why do I get trusted with billions? Well...the folks in game who deal with me know who I am. Ever play EQ2? I was the richest player in the world, across all servers. I'm good at making money. Several of the people I know in game here I've known from other MMOs...which is actually how I came to be in Eve in the first place.
As for the folks involved...I've supplied the names in my petition, but why do you ask? Is there a point to validating my story in your eyes? My original question was if anyone had heard of anything like this before. Not whether the community at large believed me. I know the truth, I have provided the explanation and whatever proof I could garner for the GM petition...I'm just frustrated that I've gotten no response, and that 1. This happened in the first place, 2. My buy orders (several hundred million profit a day) are at a stand still because of a negative wallet and 3. That my corporation is at a...critical junction of activity of which my services are needed, and unable to be provided. My CEO is having to do my job for me.
Jacxx, even if I were to give you names, dates, exact details, what does that do for me? Can you make CCP fix this for me? If you can, I'll give you whatever you need. =)
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BuSHiDo ZiN
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.25 04:12:00 -
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I don't know if they do it for insurance, but they've put people into negative isk before, most of the cases I've seen were for alt-podding a bounty
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Crucifier
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.25 04:22:00 -
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That sucks man . CCP ftw eh.
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Croato
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Posted - 2006.07.25 04:29:00 -
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So does this mean that buying/selling ISK for cash is supposedly "not allowed"? What about IGE and the crazy Chinese dudes who put up thousands of ebay auctions for ISK that all look the same? I think Sony was the only company that handled this issue correctly--create a fair, safe way for players to buy and sell content. Every other company seems to just be taking bribes so that IGE and mass Chinese sellers can get exclusive rights. The GM's need to stop trying to sting people and work on a better system.
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