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Mitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 04:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Croato So does this mean that buying/selling ISK for cash is supposedly "not allowed"? What about IGE and the crazy Chinese dudes who put up thousands of ebay auctions for ISK that all look the same? I think Sony was the only company that handled this issue correctly--create a fair, safe way for players to buy and sell content. Every other company seems to just be taking bribes so that IGE and mass Chinese sellers can get exclusive rights. The GM's need to stop trying to sting people and work on a better system. You need a severe beating. Anyway to the original poster, erm only reason I've ever known GM's to do this is when they find a scammer. Ie: GTC / Character sale scam.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.25 05:17:00 - [32] Originally by: Croato So does this mean that buying/selling ISK for cash is supposedly "not allowed"? What about IGE and the crazy Chinese dudes who put up thousands of ebay auctions for ISK that all look the same? I think Sony was the only company that handled this issue correctly--create a fair, safe way for players to buy and sell content. Every other company seems to just be taking bribes so that IGE and mass Chinese sellers can get exclusive rights. The GM's need to stop trying to sting people and work on a better system. Just a little headsup: SOE thus created an RL taxable online commodity. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Shelix Anakasian	Posted - 2006.07.25 05:51:00 - [33] You need a severe beating. Anyway to the original poster, erm only reason I've ever known GM's to do this is when they find a scammer. Ie: GTC / Character sale scam. Well, I'm not a scammer. =p And from what I've read of CCP policy, they don't fix those situations anyway.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 07:01:00 - [34] Cant auction stuffs that you dont have as an intermediary seller, can you? Sell order forum offense? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 07:19:00 - [35] Petition it under harassment. For things like this (which can totally trash your eve experience), they will not mind you skipping the queue. Put the Offender as the offending GM
Heritor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 07:25:00 - [36] Originally by: HippoKing Petition it under harassment. For things like this (which can totally trash your eve experience), they will not mind you skipping the queue. Put the Offender as the offending GM Do as suggeted to get an response to your plight. Always where your seatbelt, its far harder for the aliens to abduct you!
Sun Wu Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 07:26:00 - [37] Let me get this straight, you're great at making money, you're a trader and billions go through you, you are also the CFO of your corp and yet you still have a whooping 77 million isk after 3 months in EVE? And, 2 bill tbh is peanuts, perhaps you should stop whining and strap on the mining lasers, GMs do stuff for a reason... ________________________________
Helen Baque Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 07:27:00 - [38] Originally by: Mitten You need a severe beating. Mitten 4TW. -- Helen Baque Baque Industries
Cymru2000 Lords of Maelstrom	Posted - 2006.07.25 07:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Darkstarr Well first off..... GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance. Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out. You sir are wrong... Linkage and if you can't be bothered to read it all Originally by: GM Arkanon Users who buy ISK or other items from auction sites will receive a warning or a temporary ban, depending on the severity of the offense and the user's previous record. The ISK will be confiscated, even if that means we have to put the offender's wallet into a negative state. Severe or repeated offenses will be met with instant and permanent bans. Whether or not this is what happened in this case is up to the GMs to decide, but if you think that you have been wronged i suggest going through the petition system and being nice, this post is just to sort out the mistruths of peoples previous posts
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 07:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Darkstarr Well first off..... GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance. Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out. Wrong, I had 290mill or something or other taken from my account leaving me on -39million lol. luckily I got it back Alliaanna Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
Novarei Ninth Column	Posted - 2006.07.25 07:40:00 - [41] Theres something you're not telling us :P I'd like to help, but some of the things you've said dont make much sense. Firstly with regards to you being a 'coporate accountant' or whtnot, why does this require you to have a positive balance? Surely most transaction can be handled through the corp wallet and those that arent can be handled through an alt. Secondly you claim to have buy orders up for 'several hundreds of millions of profit a day' to generate 'several hundred million' per day from buy orders, you're going to have to have more than 77m in your wallet. And if your buy orders have been chugging along generating this amount of profit per day then you have a ton of assets and your wallet will soon turn to positive, again if you have several hundred million income per day where is all that money? You're only a 3 month old char, you cant spend the money on expensive captial ships & hacs etc... If I were a GM and you told me this story I would be extremely skeptical, but nevertheless investigate. You do sound mighty fishy though. --------------------
Brock McF Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.25 08:04:00 - [42] Hey there mate I know exactly what you are going through. I have had isk taken from me in this manner by the GM's. Apparently they can take isk if it has illicit ties. I dont agree one single bit with there methods, but I was able to get the 2.5b isk back. My suggestion, petition in stuck section, they will get back to you asap. If you can clear your name of any wrong doings, yes it sounds horribly backwards, you will get your isk back. Anyways I hope this helps. Brock.
Peter Armstrong Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 08:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Darkstarr Well first off..... GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance. Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out. really? well they done that before a few times!
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 08:12:00 - [44] Edited by: Avon on 25/07/2006 08:12:58 Originally by: Shelix Anakasian Ever play EQ2? I was the richest player in the world, across all servers. I'm good at making money. Several of the people I know in game here I've known from other MMOs...which is actually how I came to be in Eve in the first place. The richest player in EQ2 made his fortune duping and selling furniture. Got banned ... about 3 months ago iirc. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Gariuys Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 08:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 25/07/2006 08:12:58 Originally by: Shelix Anakasian Ever play EQ2? I was the richest player in the world, across all servers. I'm good at making money. Several of the people I know in game here I've known from other MMOs...which is actually how I came to be in Eve in the first place. The richest player in EQ2 made his fortune duping and selling furniture. Got banned ... about 3 months ago iirc. Lol sounds like his reputation is known to the EVE GMs as well then.
Sensor Error 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 08:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 25/07/2006 08:12:58 Originally by: Shelix Anakasian Ever play EQ2? I was the richest player in the world, across all servers. I'm good at making money. Several of the people I know in game here I've known from other MMOs...which is actually how I came to be in Eve in the first place. The richest player in EQ2 made his fortune duping and selling furniture. Got banned ... about 3 months ago iirc. Originally by: Shelix Anakasian Jacxx: I'm three months old. :) As for having a picture, I presume that has something to do with your profile? Hmmmmm.... RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! ------------------------------------------ Dev Responses to common questions
Caelian Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 08:58:00 - [47] To be slightly offtopic, all the fuss about buying and selling ISK is laughable. Buying/selling ISK isn't okay, but buying gametime codes and selling them ingame for ISK is? Yea it sure is different.
Tas Devil JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.07.25 09:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Darkstarr Well first off..... GMs are not allowed to take more isks than you have. They are not allowed to put any player into the negative balance. Petition this and hope you get a different GM that will sort this out. so wrong...don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! Oh and apparently the mods tell me there is bad language on his site so beware kids :)
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2006.07.25 09:28:00 - [49] GM's won't put your wallet into negative IF it's because of something like an insurance voiding for getting a ship back. They will (or should) ask you how you want it dealt with in cases like that. However, if they suspect an exploit, they will put your wallet into negative. Just file a stuck petition, name the GM that did this, and have them escalate it asap. If you are sure of your innocence, that's the best way to get your money back.
Tiuwaz Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 09:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Sensor Error Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 25/07/2006 08:12:58 Originally by: Shelix Anakasian Ever play EQ2? I was the richest player in the world, across all servers. I'm good at making money. Several of the people I know in game here I've known from other MMOs...which is actually how I came to be in Eve in the first place. The richest player in EQ2 made his fortune duping and selling furniture. Got banned ... about 3 months ago iirc. Originally by: Shelix Anakasian Jacxx: I'm three months old. :) As for having a picture, I presume that has something to do with your profile? Hmmmmm.... Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.07.25 09:42:00 - [51] I just REALLY, REALLY hope if ever someone buys something from me with illegal money (say for money laundering purposes) and the transaction has to be reversed, it gets reversed properly so I also get my ware back. By the way, how does this intermediary ship selling work? You get a potential buyer to trust you with say 900m for a Charon, walk to your manufacturer, trade ship and money properly, then take the ship back to the buyer and just give it to him? The two asterisked operations would be totally unsafe. You must have Charisma 35 or something -- When I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. Thukkers do
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.25 10:17:00 - [52] The same way people fall for scams. The only difference here is that he's not scamming which is lucky for those who are trusting him. On the other side of the coin, he may be setting himself up to do a really big scam by increasing the good reputation of his character first. A con artist has many faces, the one you normally see is the one you think you can trust. --
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.07.25 10:27:00 - [53] Quote: Amog other things, I'm an intermediary ship seller. IE, I find customers for ship sellers, convince them to pay a bit more than the ship seller was going to ask, make a kick-back from the profit, and send the money on to the manufacturer. I save manufacturers from having to find customers, and doesn't really cost them anything at all. This morning, A GM debited my account for 1.9 billion ISK, and refunded it to a couple of buyers. They got their two Charon freighters, and the supplier got 1.85 billion of that. I've petitioned...but my wallet is currently at -1.8 billion ISK. Given that I'm the Chief Financial Officer for my corporation, this presents some problems, namely in folks who want to buy shares. But I can't do missions either (can't afford collateral) and my plethora of buy orders...I don't even want to go there... :( Last time I heard we shouldn't talk about GM actions.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Chain Gang Last time I heard we shouldn't talk about GM actions. Depends who the moderator on duty is. Many threads have been allowed discussing GM actions (provided you don't directly quote their correspondence), but if a mod decides to lock one, he doesn't need an excuse. Moderator decisions can't even be discussed here, let alone disagreed with. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:12:00 - [55] Originally by: Sun Wu Let me get this straight, you're great at making money, you're a trader and billions go through you, you are also the CFO of your corp and yet you still have a whooping 77 million isk after 3 months in EVE? and? so? I've been here for three years and made over 10 billion ISK, but I only have 22mill in my WALLET. I spend it, it goes in my corp wallet, it gets invested in shares, ores, ships .... Wallet size is no proof of wealth. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."

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