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TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:31:00 -
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This message is mainly directed at CCP. I am not leaving Eve yet (at least another 10 months). No you cannot have my stuff.
Every now and then you hear the Doomsayers stating "Eve is Dying". Eve is not dying, it has been growing subscribers, but I fear for it's future. I have been playing Eve since 2007 or so and one thing is for sure, Eve is not the same game it used to be. I recently started following Star Citizen more in depth and even got a basic ship package; It's everything I wanted Eve to be.
I started playing Eve in high school. I came across Eve by searching "Space games" and "Games like Freelancer", and Eve was the only game that was somewhat what I was looking for. This is not to say I don't like Eve, but there are just so many problems with it.
- Lock and F1
- Balance
- The community is good and disgusting
- Eve is static
- Eve is old
- There are up coming games that fill the void in the space genre
Eve PVP can be fun, but for the most part all it is is locking a target and waiting for one to blow up. There is a lot of skillful PVP out there I have seen, but there is more of lock and F1. This is undeniably dull.
The most obvious problems in Eve are the balance and mechanics. There is a whole subsection of the forum for this so I won't even name a few.
I think the second problem with Eve is the community. The community is some of the smartest people out there: Metagaming, Third party developers, and just how we find a way to exploit everything in the game. However the community is absolutely disgusting. I can guarantee without editing this post that one of the first few responses will be someone asking "Can I have your stuff". There is just the culture of trolling, intentionally causing people pain (not to be confused with non-consensual PVP), don't help the new players, and the entitlement people feel from CCP. These are not good and hurt the community and nothing can be done because that is what Eve Online is about now.
Being Static; I am talking about procedural generation. Every NPC, Mission, asteroid belt, anomaly, system, station is the same. Procedural generation makes each thing unique so no 2 missions are alike, you can do damsel in distress with 5 wave of battleships, or 7 waves of enemies elite frigates, you never know with procedural generation.
Eve is Old. Players have been able to accumulate dumb amounts of wealth. Players have done all that before: taking sov, losing it, ganking, lowsec, militia, everything. The games code is ancient and becoming more and more inefficient. Honestly, I would look into making Eve 2.
With a plethora of new space sims coming out, I have given Star Citizen a chance on Friday. I began diving further into it. More and more I find out about the game is that it is EVERYTHING I wanted Eve to be. There is only one snag on it though, the full release is expected for Q3/Q4 2016. In the meantime, I have access to the Alpha and Beta modules.
But with games like Star Citizen, you cannot have 1000 people or more on a single grid, it is unrealistic. There is still unanswered questions. And above all else It just isn't Eve, its the whole Eve universe in one game: FPS, twitch controls like Valkyrie, and Capital ships and large scale stuff like Eve. The in-game economy, the way you meta and fly, the thing you can do will all be different. So, will Eve die? No, people will stay with Eve as it is there type of game. Will Eve take a subscriber hit? Maybe, I know I will most likely move over to another game. I used to have 12 accounts, now I run 3 and probably soon 2 or 1. I think CCP needs to look at what they can do and start developing something new, and not just patch Eve.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4176
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:34:00 -
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Dibs on your stuff when you do leave then.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6141
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:36:00 -
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EVE Online, dying since 2003Gäó
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20352
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:37:00 -
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I don't want your stuff, it smells of yeuch and will need fumigating, which will take at least 10 months
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing
275
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:37:00 -
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Two lovely posts that reinforce my statement of the disgusting culture of the Eve community. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4176
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:38:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote: EVE Online, dying since 2003Gäó
Gully actually quantified that ...in graph form =][= |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4440
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:38:00 -
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Dibs on your Fedos. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Flay Nardieu
Forgotten Union of Knackered Tradesfolk Universal Rockstars
48
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:38:00 -
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I suggest editing out specific references, CCP will use that as a reason to gank the thread. Rise up against the flawed S&I changes! CCP no more $$$ from me until then.-á Three accounts funded by buying PLEX with $$$ now idle and this one waiting out the quarterly renewal. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4267
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:39:00 -
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You prefer space plants for 60,000,000 USD...? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20352
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:39:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Two lovely posts that reinforce my statement of the disgusting culture of the Eve community. It took only one post to prove that you're suffering from either a Senseofhumourectomy or Cranialrectalinversion Syndrome
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:40:00 -
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An eve is dying thread.
Horror ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4176
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:40:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Two lovely posts that reinforce my statement of the disgusting culture of the Eve community. Well what do you expect, you level a massive insult in the middle of a sc scill thread, =][= |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2115
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:41:00 -
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EVE Online, Really Dying, For Real This TimeGäó ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:47:00 -
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Speaking for myself, I quite enjoy being called disgusting. Absolutely disgusting, o-er, behave
Good luck to Star Citizen though, hopefully their community will be mature, respectful and wildly boring. DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
645
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:47:00 -
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Well at least I got in on the first page of this one.
. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Nalia White
Tencus
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:58:00 -
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actualy the community in eve is quite good if you look in the game... sure there is the odd one writing you a hatemail after you blowed his stuff up, but much more often people will ask what they did wrong or just type gf.
forums are always a place for the trolls and the haters, it's in every game. most other games have also way more idiots ingame than eve by a large margin! |
Torneach Structor
Showup Fleet
14
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Posted - 2014.08.24 16:03:00 -
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Only good point I saw in there was the one about procedural generation. EVE could definitely benefit from something like that. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.08.24 16:04:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:With a plethora of new space sims coming out, I have given Star Citizen a chance on Friday. I began diving further into it. More and more I find out about the game is that it is EVERYTHING I wanted Eve to be. So really, what your entire fear comes down to is the realisation that you don't actually want to play EVE. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1516
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Posted - 2014.08.24 16:16:00 -
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I read "I'm quitting the game" and then "no you can't have my stuff" so I'm just writing off your opinion and not even reading. So some carebear is whining and quitting EVE and doesn't even care about the community enough to make charitable donations of his items who's usefulness is soon to be void. Epic Space Cat |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
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Posted - 2014.08.24 16:16:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:I can guarantee without editing this post that one of the first few responses will be someone asking "Can I have your stuff". There is just the culture of trolling, it's not trolling, it's a question born out of a genuine concern regarding wealth redistribution. describing posters as 'disgusting' when they've only got your stuff's best interests at heart isn't very grateful |
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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.08.24 16:19:00 -
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Dust and Valkyrie should be meaningfully implemented into the game. CCP can attract more players to EVE by doing more of what has never been done.
They should expand in the direction of FPS and dogfighting-sim as mechanics based on actual player skills are the only thing missing from EVE. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
5420
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Posted - 2014.08.24 16:22:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Two lovely posts that reinforce my statement of the disgusting culture of the Eve community. If it's not too much to ask, what was disgusting about their posts?
That's a fairly strong word to use for something as simple as a common reply to a very common thread theme. It doesn't appear disgusting in any way, nor reflective of the broader community.
To me, it isn't a case of disgusting v not disgusting in a lot of these threads, but more a case of regulars here v people that don't post much.
When you post regularly in the forums, it doesn't take long to see the same thing over and over and over again. After providing serious replies for the first umpteen times, it becomes tiring to continue to do so. That doesn't mean people don't care at all, just that everyone can have an opinion, many of which would disagree that EvE's future is in trouble.
From my own perspective, you are entitled to your view, just as the rest of us are, but I personally disagree with almost everything you wrote. However, that doesn't mean I think or would imply that you are disgusting, just for having a different opinion and I hope that once one of those other games comes along, you find it good for what you want to do. These are just games afterall. Not something to be worked up over. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1516
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Posted - 2014.08.24 16:24:00 -
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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:mechanics based on actual player skills are the only thing missing from EVE.
No.
Player skill should never, EVER, be a replacement for forming relationships and gangs with other players in EVE Online. Epic Space Cat |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1225
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Posted - 2014.08.24 16:24:00 -
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"Dear Coke, I'm starting to get used to your flavor and have recently looked into Pepsi and all the wonderful things it provides. It causes me concern that Coke may become worthless if it doesnt change to be more like pepsi." |
Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
158
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Posted - 2014.08.24 17:01:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote: With a plethora of new space sims coming out, I have given Star Citizen a chance on Friday. I began diving further into it. More and more I find out about the game is that it is EVERYTHING I wanted Eve to be. There is only one snag on it though, the full release is expected for Q3/Q4 2016. In the meantime, I have access to the Alpha and Beta modules.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2014.08.24 17:04:00 -
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This message is mainly directed at OP. I am not leaving this thread yet (at least another 10 minutes). No you cannot agree to disagree.
Every now and then you hear the Doomsayers saying "shiptoasting is dying". Shiptoasting is not dying, it has been growing in quantity, but I fear for it's future. I have been reading the forums since 2006 or so and one thing is for sure, shiptoasting is not the same game it used to be. I recently started following the mmorpg.com EVE forums more in depth and even got a basic account package; it's everything I wanted the EVE forums to be.
I started reading this thread five minutes ago. I came across this thread by searching for 'eve is dying' and 'will kill eve', and this thread was the only thread which was somewhat what I was looking for. This is not to say I don't like this thread, but there are just so many problems with it.
1. Lock and F1 works fine in 99% of cases so this is obviously not an issue 2. The server racks are bolted to the floor, so despite being a bit topheavy, balance has never been an issue for EVE 3. How can something be good and disgusting that doesn't even make any sense 4. "EVE is static". A second ago EVE wasn't the same game it used to be. 5. Your mother is old, that doesn't mean you put her down and find a new one. 6. "Void in the space genre". Ha ha, I get it. 7. Six items is not "so many problems".
Defending EVE can be fun, but for the most part all it is is one liner responses to mindless posts. There is a lot of skillful posting out there I have seen, but there is more of mindless nonsense. This is undeniably dull.
The most obvious problems in this thread are the content and grammar. There are entire books on this so I won't even name a few.
I think the second problem with this thread is this paragraph. The OP may be one of the smartest people out there, but counting is not his strong suit. If you name six problems, a further one problem is not the second. I can guarantee without editing this post that none of the first reponses spotted this. There is just a culture of generalising, without even reading the OP in detail (not to be confused with non-consensual walls-of-text). This is actually good and efficient for the community because every thread like this is the same anyway.
Being confused, you are talking about procedural generation for missions, to make the game less static. However, EVE has quite possibly the most free, meaningful and consequential interaction between players in any MMOG. If you actually want dynamic content, there is no substiture for other human beings. So it sounds like you are actually looking for a dynamic single player game.
EVE is old. Players have been able to accumulate more wealth than you. Players have done everything before you: taking sov, losing it, ganking, lowsec, militia, everything. Thus you think something is wrong with the game because you are not the richest and first in everything. Again, you are looking for a single player game. This also somehow has something to do with the code being ancient, which it isn't necessarily because it is constantly being worked on, and how it is getting more inefficient, as if code becomes old and forgetful and has its hair turn white as it ages. None of this has anything to do with anything or makes any sense. Honestly, I would look into making Thread 2.
With a plethora of hangar simulators coming out, you have found that EVE is not actually the game you are looking for. Thus you fear for it's future because while you aren't leaving yet, eventually you will. You realise other people will stay, as EVE is the game they are looking for, yet somehow the fact that it has lost it's shine in your eyes makes you believe that CCP need to develop something new rather than just patching EVE.
The reality is, CCP's attempts to expand EVE or move beyond it have met with... limited success (see: Incarna, DUST, WoD). 'Just patching EVE' has in fact been demonstrated to be the best option for CCP for now. EVE will be fine, and I hope that when it does eventually die, it will be a graceful decline wherein it stays true to its roots and still has a dedicated core of fans present to see it off, rather flailing and thrashing in a pointless attempt to reinvent itself back into relevance achieving nothing but to alienate those who once cared for it.
Good luck with whatever game you end up playing, and wait what the **** this was supposed to be a joke post what happened. [witty image] - Stream |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
646
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Posted - 2014.08.24 17:09:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:This message is mainly directed at OP. I am not leaving this thread yet (at least another 10 minutes). No you cannot agree to disagree.
Every now and then you hear the Doomsayers saying "shiptoasting is dying". Shiptoasting is not dying, it has been growing in quantity, but I fear for it's future. I have been reading the forums since 2006 or so and one thing is for sure, shiptoasting is not the same game it used to be. I recently started following the mmorpg.com EVE forums more in depth and even got a basic account package; it's everything I wanted the EVE forums to be.
I started reading this thread five minutes ago. I came across this thread by searching for 'eve is dying' and 'will kill eve', and this thread was the only thread which was somewhat what I was looking for. This is not to say I don't like this thread, but there are just so many problems with it.
1. Lock and F1 works fine in 99% of cases so this is obviously not an issue 2. The server racks are bolted to the floor, so despite being a bit topheavy, balance has never been an issue for EVE 3. How can something be good and disgusting that doesn't even make any sense 4. "EVE is static". A second ago EVE wasn't the same game it used to be. 5. Your mother is old, that doesn't mean you put her down and find a new one. 6. "Void in the space genre". Ha ha, I get it. 7. Six items is not "so many problems".
Defending EVE can be fun, but for the most part all it is is one liner responses to mindless posts. There is a lot of skillful posting out there I have seen, but there is more of mindless nonsense. This is undeniably dull.
The most obvious problems in this thread are the content and grammar. There are entire books on this so I won't even name a few.
I think the second problem with this thread is this paragraph. The OP may be one of the smartest people out there, but counting is not his strong suit. If you name six problems, a further one problem is not the second. I can guarantee without editing this post that none of the first reponses spotted this. There is just a culture of generalising, without even reading the OP in detail (not to be confused with non-consensual walls-of-text). This is actually good and efficient for the community because every thread like this is the same anyway.
Being confused, you are talking about procedural generation for missions, to make the game less static. However, EVE has quite possibly the most free, meaningful and consequential interaction between players in any MMOG. If you actually want dynamic content, there is no substiture for other human beings. So it sounds like you are actually looking for a dynamic single player game.
EVE is old. Players have been able to accumulate more wealth than you. Players have done everything before you: taking sov, losing it, ganking, lowsec, militia, everything. Thus you think something is wrong with the game because you are not the richest and first in everything. Again, you are looking for a single player game. This also somehow has something to do with the code being ancient, which it isn't necessarily because it is constantly being worked on, and how it is getting more inefficient, as if code becomes old and forgetful and has its hair turn white as it ages. None of this has anything to do with anything or makes any sense. Honestly, I would look into making Thread 2.
With a plethora of hangar simulators coming out, you have found that EVE is not actually the game you are looking for. Thus you fear for it's future because while you aren't leaving yet, eventually you will. You realise other people will stay, as EVE is the game they are looking for, yet somehow the fact that it has lost it's shine in your eyes makes you believe that CCP need to develop something new rather than just patching EVE.
The reality is, CCP's attempts to expand EVE or move beyond it have met with... limited success (see: Incarna, DUST, WoD). 'Just patching EVE' has in fact been demonstrated to be the best option for CCP for now. EVE will be fine, and I hope that when it does eventually die, it will be a graceful decline wherein it stays true to its roots and still has a dedicated core of fans present to see it off, rather flailing and thrashing in a pointless attempt to reinvent itself back into relevance achieving nothing but to alienate those who once cared for it.
Good luck with whatever game you end up playing, and wait what the **** this was supposed to be a joke post what happened.
+1 Good poast.
Here, have some likes.
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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.24 17:17:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:I read "I'm quitting the game" and then "no you can't have my stuff" so I'm just writing off your opinion and not even reading. So some carebear is whining and quitting EVE and doesn't even care about the community enough to make charitable donations of his items who's usefulness is soon to be void.
I've given people things before. I just won't give anyone all of my stuff if I quit.. Because let's admit it. I might come back. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Nariya Kentaya
The Pulsar Innovation Surely You're Joking
1497
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Posted - 2014.08.24 17:28:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote: Eve is Old. Players have been able to accumulate dumb amounts of wealth. Players have done all that before: taking sov, losing it, ganking, lowsec, militia, everything. The games code is ancient and becoming more and more inefficient. Honestly, I would look into making Eve 2.
someone literally hasnt read a single devblog. Ya know thye big industry overhaul? yeah, theyre doing something like that for every mechanic in the damn game. No i will not be nice about it. Tired of people bitching about "old code thats never been fixed/upgraded/repalced", in truth alot fo their code has been replaced on multiple occasions, and right now they are replacing the oldest and most difficult parts of it.
So this point right here, is wrong, completely.
*Edit*, also, EVE 2 would be a good way for CCP to go out of business. building a new game is hard, and telling rpetty much everyone in EVE 1 that "yeah, your **** dont matter, were starting it all over" would be a good way to give the community an even bigger finger since monocle-gate. there would be no recovering from it. |
Nariya Kentaya
The Pulsar Innovation Surely You're Joking
1497
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Posted - 2014.08.24 17:32:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:mechanics based on actual player skills are the only thing missing from EVE. No. Player skill should never, EVER, be a replacement for forming relationships and gangs with other players in EVE Online. actually, most eve players are a FAN of "1 dude who knows what hes doing can beat 5 dumbasses at once, but 6 would overwhelm him", thats kinda the whole reason skills are relegated to a max of lvl 5, so you can gang up on older players, or outskill them, without SP beign a primary decider. |
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