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Sally	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:32:00 - [31] According to CCP, it's an exploit. All you need to do is to file a petition. What will happen then is: - GMs will not check the logs properly, - GMs will say to him that changing corps in the middle of combat is considered an exploit and they will warn him to not do it again, - when he tells the GMs that you didn't leave the corp in the middle of combat they will ignore his EVE-Mails and/or E-Mails . Happened to me with 3 CoC Battleships blewing my BB up in New Caldari. There is also a bug involved in this issue, it looks like sometimes the other side has the old visual data on you, e.g. they still think you are in the old corp. I didn't know this before it happened first time to CoC. -- Stories: #1 --
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:00:00 - [32] Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/10/2003 15:03:52 Quote: "Your corp member failed to identify her. That's on his head I'm afraid" Typical Jash ignorance. It's a cheap tactic, she should have been dealt with as an exploiter, especially if she re-joined her corp later. No WhiteDrip, no ignorance. Just I don't go crying to people the minute something happens that I don't like. Oversight on the developers part? Definately. Cheap? 100%. Would I use it? Not in any lifetime. But it's there and instead of crying about things, I move on. The Atlantic Navy Fleet corp is doing something I'm quite certain you'd be crying "Exploiter!" about on these forums in a heartbeat. Pulled in on me twice now. You know what I'm **ed about? My other 4 guns never get a chance to fire before I send them off with flames shooting out the back end of their ships. Just play the damn game. The reason why you're quitting is because you can't just play the damn game. You had to take everything as a personal injustice. And it ruined the game for you. See something that looks foul? Report it and move the fack on. You're leaving in about 3 days, right? Whereever you go Whitedwarf, I have bad news for you: Because you can't just play the game, you'll NEVER** completely enjoy it unless you're completely alone. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:13:00 - [33] It's Guevara, please don't Marc Anthony the guy. Convert Stations
Zanadulia	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:20:00 - [34] I recieved Eve as a gift, but doubt I'll continue if CCP doesn't post some response again on the banning of exploiters. I have seen enough of the cheats in the FPS's and will not waste my money to entertain a minority of cheaters. Jash should get a life other then thread trolling to defend cheaters, and to talk smack against anyone that complains. He sure is brave being anonymous, but I would wager he would tuck his tail between his legs and run like a coward if even a girl like I was to confront him in real life. Love, Peace, Law, Order, Logic, the tools of the evolved!
Zorael	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:24:00 - [35] Edited by: Zorael on 06/10/2003 15:27:45 Quote: ...He sure is brave being anonymous... Zanadulia shoots herself in the foot with a cruise missile ... - - - Lack of planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part
Tsingtau	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:19:00 - [36] Quote: Oversight on the developers part? Definately. Cheap? 100%. Would I use it? Not in any lifetime. But it's there and instead of crying about things, I move on. I have read and reread what I have posted and I dont see where I have whined moaned cryed about the situation that happend. As I have said before I just wanted some other peoples opinions on the matter and to see if it has happend to anyone else. I personally think it was cheap and lastnight after I posted this I was getting ready to log out when this corp came to our home sector flying the flag of the corp they had just quit as if to taunt the fact that they can do it. all the same its just a little upsetting that nothing is being done about it. I admire the fact she still wants to fight our corp I just dont aprove of the tactics she is using. but like another poster said alls fair in love and war...I feel like I am being straped to the hood of a yellow rental truck packed in with fertilizer and fuel oil pushed over a cliff by a suicidal mickey mouse Thanks for the response folks glad to see I am not the only one who thinks this is dirty and cheap.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:29:00 - [37] Quote: Your corp member failed to identify her. that's on his head I'm afraid. Indeed. But I still think that "tactic" is extremely lame and should be prevented. Mai's Idealog
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:33:00 - [38] Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/10/2003 16:34:59 Quote: I recieved Eve as a gift, but doubt I'll continue if CCP doesn't post some response again on the banning of exploiters. I have seen enough of the cheats in the FPS's and will not waste my money to entertain a minority of cheaters. Jash should get a life other then thread trolling to defend cheaters, and to talk smack against anyone that complains. He sure is brave being anonymous, but I would wager he would tuck his tail between his legs and run like a coward if even a girl like I was to confront him in real life. Actually you'd be rather surprised at what kind of reception you'd receive from me, depending on the approach. But that's neither here nor there. The only way to prove it is for you to try something stupid (which is inadvisable as I'm licensed in 2 states). But let's review: Fact: You're an alt of someone that obviously has been here a while. Fact: You've read my posts. Fact: I've never seen a post from until you decided to flame me. Fact: I'm willing to bet nobody has seen a post from you till now. These facts lead to the extremely reasonable conclusion that between you and I, if anyone is a coward around here it'd be you. You won't even post under your regular character. That's laughable. To the original poster that replied above this. I don't accuse you of crying directly. Zanadulia/WhiteTroll here is the person I replied to. However, the advice given to WhiteTroll holds true for you as well: Just play the game. If you feel you've been wronged outside the game rules, report it and move on. If you come to the forums seeking some validation then you're no longer playing the game. You're seeking justice. Wrong people, wrong method. Seeking justice from the general public will lead you to the same place WhiteTool is headed: Cancellation in every MMORPG I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Kilhu Emmek	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:35:00 - [39] A two-week "free fire" timer ought to fix this, too, but I have no idea how they'd code that. Meaning if you leave a corp at war, you're still a valid target for the warring corp, regardless of your current corp, for two weeks. Like I said, it would be tough to code. Gradient is hiring. Read our Code of Conduct before applying.
great white	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:36:00 - [40] exploit...take out npc guns!!!!!

Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:50:00 - [41] Quote: Quote: Your corp member failed to identify her. that's on his head I'm afraid. Indeed. But I still think that "tactic" is extremely lame and should be prevented. Never said it wasn't lame. I said that no real advantage was gained so in my opinion it's not an exploit. Let's take a look at what 'Good' this post has done: 1) The original poster has gotten some validation from people that agree 2) The original poster has gotten dissenting opinions 3) The posts from those agreeing and disagreeing have provided excellent troll bait. 4) The posts from those agreeing and disagreeing have provided excellent flame bait 5) Most importantly, those that might use a 'tactic' like this but weren't aware of its existance now have another trick to use against others. Now how much good is that validation? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
TMX	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:53:00 - [42] Edited by: KIAtmx on 06/10/2003 16:53:57 no sh!t PvP is a complete joke? Doh! ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge!
Relentless	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:00:00 - [43] Quote: A two-week "free fire" timer ought to fix this, too, but I have no idea how they'd code that. Meaning if you leave a corp at war, you're still a valid target for the warring corp, regardless of your current corp, for two weeks. Like I said, it would be tough to code. While I agree this is an exploit, and that some sort of correction is in order, I don't agree this is the right way to fix it. A member who disagrees with their corp about a war and decide to quit over it should be able to do so, and not be subject to 2 weeks of being freely hunted. I do think it should take time to quit a corp. (which admittedly ends up amounting to much the same thing) but an hour or two should be enough to stop the exploit. Perhaps also you should be unable to rejoin that corp you quit for 2 weeks.
Marcus Grisbius	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:04:00 - [44] Another possible solution would be a personal war declaration. This could work for corps who don't want to declare hostilities on a whole corp but rather the individual who has wronged them. If the other corp would like to defend their member then they could escalate it to a full corp war. I think that it would not be too difficult to add since the game already allows for standing changes against corps and individuals. This means that the corp could follow the person after they quit a corp or if they joined another corp. Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn
Relentless	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:06:00 - [45] Jash, in one breath you complain about game mechanics: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=36800&page=1 and in the next you tell people to "Just play the game" and not to complain on the forums. I'm not impressed.
Zanadulia	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:00:00 - [46] Quote: Jash, in one breath you complain about game mechanics: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=36800&page=1 and in the next you tell people to "Just play the game" and not to complain on the forums. I'm not impressed. It is nice to see another that shares the view of Jash as something NOT to be impressed with. Love, Peace, Law, Order, Logic, the tools of the evolved!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:48:00 - [47] Quote: Jash, in one breath you complain about game mechanics: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=36800&page=1 and in the next you tell people to "Just play the game" and not to complain on the forums. I'm not impressed. Not particularly impressed by your inability to distinguish between making accusations against other players with neither authority to do so nor real evidence to substantiate it and exposing game issues. I don't make exploit accusations. I don't ask any of you for your opinion about what is an exploit. Your opinion has zero value in the matter. Only CCP's I don't use the "Cheat" category. If I think I see one, I report it under "Exploit" and move on (3 to date). But I guess you rank your flame ability as 'Impressive'. I find it rather pathetic. When you can add something meaningful, drop me an eve-mail. I'm usually playing the game instead of worrying myself to death about other people. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Relentless	Posted - 2003.10.06 19:02:00 - [48] Wow, I am so put in my place. Humblest apologies Jash. Can't imagine what came over me. You are of course entirely correct and I am completely, uh, 'pathetic' yes. Just tracing through the logic...
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.10.06 20:02:00 - [49] Quote: Never said it wasn't lame. I said that no real advantage was gained so in my opinion it's not an exploit. I totally agree. Sorry if my other post didn¦t make that clear. Picked the wrong words, blame my english (I¦m german). Mai's Idealog
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 20:14:00 - [50] Quote: Quote: Never said it wasn't lame. I said that no real advantage was gained so in my opinion it's not an exploit. I totally agree. Sorry if my other post didn¦t make that clear. Picked the wrong words, blame my english (I¦m german). No worries. Sorry if I appear harsh. The buzzards are circling, waiting for me to misstep. So I fire back pretty quick. Works in game for me I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

Tsingtau	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:21:00 - [51] Quote: I don't make exploit accusations. I don't ask any of you for your opinion about what is an exploit. Your opinion has zero value in the matter. Only CCP's I don't use the "Cheat" category. If I think I see one, I report it under "Exploit" and move on (3 to date). But I guess you rank your flame ability as 'Impressive'. I find it rather pathetic. When you can add something meaningful, drop me an eve-mail. I'm usually playing the game instead of worrying myself to death about other people. So your saying because you dont do it then every one should follow your ways or we are all lame and stupid. Flame a brother for trying to get some answers to a situation that happend to him. Funny thing to me is I only wanted insight and some opinions and getting trashed for it. to those that have said there peace good or bad thank you much. to those that read the thread just to flame me for asking a question I hope one day your social skills dont limit you from achiving your goals, its sad.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:27:00 - [52] Quote: Quote: I don't make exploit accusations. I don't ask any of you for your opinion about what is an exploit. Your opinion has zero value in the matter. Only CCP's I don't use the "Cheat" category. If I think I see one, I report it under "Exploit" and move on (3 to date). But I guess you rank your flame ability as 'Impressive'. I find it rather pathetic. When you can add something meaningful, drop me an eve-mail. I'm usually playing the game instead of worrying myself to death about other people. So your saying because you dont do it then every one should follow your ways or we are all lame and stupid. Flame a brother for trying to get some answers to a situation that happend to him. Funny thing to me is I only wanted insight and some opinions and getting trashed for it. to those that have said there peace good or bad thank you much. to those that read the thread just to flame me for asking a question I hope one day your social skills dont limit you from achiving your goals, its sad. I'm sorry but you persist in taking my replies to others as a reply to yourself, others who have flamed me first, then that's your bother. I don't agree with it being an exploit. But beyond that, I've found that 90% of the time when someone askes "Is this an exploit?" they're actually saying "Call this person an exploiter with me". It simply doesn't belong on the forums and causes a good half the problems around here. Now if all that hurt your feelings, I'm not particularly sorry about that. I suspect such feelings from replies to the blatant trolls/flamers may just be inadvertant good aim hitting too close to home. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
NymphoGrrrl	Posted - 2003.10.06 22:28:00 - [53] Quote: I'm sorry but you persist in taking my replies to others as a reply to yourself, others who have flamed me first, then that's your bother. I don't agree with it being an exploit. But beyond that, I've found that 90% of the time when someone askes "Is this an exploit?" they're actually saying "Call this person an exploiter with me". It simply doesn't belong on the forums and causes a good half the problems around here. Now if all that hurt your feelings, I'm not particularly sorry about that. I suspect such feelings from replies to the blatant trolls/flamers may just be inadvertant good aim hitting too close to home. Jash Jash Jash, grow up and stop speaking out of both sides of your mouth, you troll the boards, insult anyone that won't follow your lead or disagrees with you. A classic example of an immature, rampant hormone raging little boy. All paying customers of Eve have a right to post their opinions, same as you. You have to mature a bit to understand that though. If you don't like what the forums have posted, CLOSE THE BROWSER. No one is forcing you to read this, you choose too.
Bedroom Eyes	Posted - 2003.10.07 01:57:00 - [54] Alas I speak. I'm the culptret yes tsingtau. I warned you and you failed to warn your corp mates. Plain and simple. Now lets talk about Java Ghoul who died because they tried to scamble me right after...lol is all I have to say to that. Also lets talk about you trying to camp a gate in a febal atempt to trap me. lol at that too. Your corp lost 1x Osprey 1x Thorax 1x Imicus and 1x Shuttle....plus the bonus of one being podded due to splash damage. It's not over tsingtau I have a contract to fulfill. Save your crying for your therapist please dont play upon the sympathy of others. its not my problem you docked your Dominix and got in a thorax. Oh yeah another good point. In initially striking your corp you left the belt right away and left your corp mates there to die. Lucky for you I was in a kestrel when I killed the first person. Or your other mate would have lost his thorax also. I'll bet you wet yourself when you seen my caracel. In short I warned you. You didnt listen. And after your failed attempt to buy me off (I will post the logs if you ever post again) I'ld say your moral is broken and I'm winning to the tune of 4 kills to none.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.07 02:10:00 - [55] Quote: Quote: I'm sorry but you persist in taking my replies to others as a reply to yourself, others who have flamed me first, then that's your bother. I don't agree with it being an exploit. But beyond that, I've found that 90% of the time when someone askes "Is this an exploit?" they're actually saying "Call this person an exploiter with me". It simply doesn't belong on the forums and causes a good half the problems around here. Now if all that hurt your feelings, I'm not particularly sorry about that. I suspect such feelings from replies to the blatant trolls/flamers may just be inadvertant good aim hitting too close to home. Jash Jash Jash, grow up and stop speaking out of both sides of your mouth, you troll the boards, insult anyone that won't follow your lead or disagrees with you. A classic example of an immature, rampant hormone raging little boy. All paying customers of Eve have a right to post their opinions, same as you. You have to mature a bit to understand that though. If you don't like what the forums have posted, CLOSE THE BROWSER. No one is forcing you to read this, you choose too. Seeing as how you're one of those that enjoys trolling the "Point the Finger" threads so the lynch mob can't miss the target, I'd expect you to say no less. What you want is Mob Rule on exploits. Sorry, but that type of mentality has no business deciding between right and wrong. You don't "offer an opinion". You make an accusation. And if you're wrong, you don't apologize for dragging someone through the crap. You just move on to the next target. Pardon me if I find that immature, wasteful, inciteful and just plain ole stupid. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.10.07 02:14:00 - [56] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 07/10/2003 02:15:06 I still support the whole idea of each and every player being allowed to declare "vendetta" against a number of other individuals ( say 3) - irrespective of corp affiliations at any time... would not only solve so many individual issues but would also allow for dueling... "gladiatorial" fights... all sorts. Whether or not a corp should also be allowed to declare against an individual is a moot point (in the true sense of the words).. imo probably yes. Question (as always) is how do you make it non-exploitable in other ways...
Sally	Posted - 2003.10.07 02:15:00 - [57] Quote: Seeing as how you're one of those that enjoys trolling the "Point the Finger" threads so the lynch mob can't miss the target, I'd expect you to say no less. What you want is Mob Rule on exploits. Sorry, but that type of mentality has no business deciding between right and wrong. You don't "offer an opinion". You make an accusation. And if you're wrong, you don't apologize for dragging someone through the crap. You just move on to the next target. Pardon me if I find that immature, wasteful, inciteful and just plain ole stupid. Well spoken my friend. -- Stories: #1 --
Drutort	Posted - 2003.10.07 02:42:00 - [58] lol ok we will probably see more of this, now since its a bit more public... so what will happen when a bunch of say ore stealing ppl in a corp do it in 1.0-0.5sec and a that corp goes to war fine... then they got them in a station they all leave and just undock waving ahaha you cant do nothing were out of here...ok ya thatÆs just makes all the sense in the world... you are in a country that is at war... you are a soldier you go and change the papers to say that you are now part of some other country that means that none of those soldiers of your previous enemy cant fire on you lol... sounds funny i know, and its not RL but still just looking from that point of you shows how stupid this is and CCP should have known better. im not even going to say exploit or not, because everyone seems to want there own definition and to have it suit them at there right moment and when someone uses it to show that they might be doing something they cry nooo nooo its not really. support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Tsingtau	Posted - 2003.10.07 15:30:00 - [59] Quote: (I will post the logs if you ever post again) I'ld say your moral is broken and I'm winning to the tune of 4 kills to none. And here we go again with the little "pety" things..I had the courtesy of not naming any names giving out any details...was just looking into the matter because thats what I do. I dont run around and threaten I gather information to come to an educated decision. as for the rest of what you had to say Bedroom eyes...all I caught was "blah blah blah" and if your pallett ever craves something more then chicken please do come and visit us and bring some friends.
Bedroom Eyes	Posted - 2003.10.07 16:21:00 - [60] Tsingtau I'm coming. Your corp mate met a friend just yesterday and died twice. Its sort of a competition for the bounty. We will meet and I'll have friends although they are somewhat independant from myself. I'm not totaly sure I even need thier help. From now on I'll have to take screen shots and post a url to them. That way people will see more than just "blah blah blah" For a minute I thought we connected on a hunter/prey level. You could have ended this Tsingtau but you have chosen not to and its going to be harder to make a deal now that your production has stopped. Perhaps this is good for your corp. You will learn how to make Isk other ways.



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