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Tsingtau	Posted - 2003.10.06 05:04:00 - [1] My corp is at war. we are out mining having a good ol time when we came under attack by our enemy. not having a combat fleet some of us returned to a station to grab our war ships. we lost a new player in a noob ship. The attacker was damaged and fled the scene. We used agents to track her down threwout the universe and located her some 10 jumps away. we gather our forces and trap her at a station. now she strikes up a convo with me and says that if I dont leave the system she is going to get out un harmed and "punish" my corp further. Well needless to say we didnt leave as she suggested. so after awhile she exits the station. without her corp tag one of our trigger happy corp mates didnt realise this and lost his ship to concord as she was defaulted to a noob corp so we get ****ed as if the war was to be ended there is a surrender tab...but instead she fleas we can do nothing as it takes place in 1.0 space. she flys to her HQ and rejoins the corp we are at war with. now if this isnt an exploit I dont know what is. any comments?
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.06 05:08:00 - [2] Indeed, report her. Convert Stations
Tabius	Posted - 2003.10.06 05:08:00 - [3] WOW... ya, it takes hours to delete a character, it should take a few hours to exit a corp.... I'd say you got screwed, and I'd report it in a petition. That's seriously cheap.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.06 05:17:00 - [4] You should be able to boot people on the spot but as far as rejoining I'd say two weeks are in order. Convert Stations
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 05:17:00 - [5] Cheap yes...Exploit, no. Your corp member failed to identify her. That's on his head I'm afraid. She didn't use anything to gain any real advantage over you. Any GM that would go and warn her for using that technique would risk outright laughter. "Go back and let them kill you next time!"? Yeah right You can report it via a petition but most likely all you'll be doing is issuing a bug report in the wrong location. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Skokeh	Posted - 2003.10.06 05:22:00 - [6] good trick - but should be prevented especially as some corps dont always have a visisble ticker.....
Tsingtau	Posted - 2003.10.06 05:23:00 - [7] See thats just it...leaving the corp anytime should be a no brainer. but going back to the corp after you quit in a matter of a half hour just so you can get away is BS. my corpmate loosing his ship was his fault and we know this. I just think it was dirty, low, and makes me quite upset that there isnt anything I can do about it. it will continue to happen everytime we meet up unless the odds are in her favor. But I would never stoop so low as to quit my corp to get away.
Scrapyard Jack	Posted - 2003.10.06 05:25:00 - [8] ehehehe! It's a dirty, underhanded, sneaky, cheap-as-hell trick...! But for once, ol' Jack is in agreement with Jashypoos. All's fair in love and war.
Cao Cao	Posted - 2003.10.06 05:53:00 - [9] This isn't an exploit but it is a well-documented and reported problem in the game mechanics. A corporation we were at war with attempted to use this little "trick" on us but we didn't fall for it. Definitely petition it. I've asked several times for there to be a "cooling down" time before leaving and a time restraint (2 weeks would be appropriate) before you can rejoin a corporation you recently quit.
Gaijin Lanis	Posted - 2003.10.06 06:06:00 - [10] I'm with the non-carebears on this one, the only thing that played any part in the destruction of your mate's ship is his own impatience. too bad, so sad. keep refreshing the info next time.
Singular	Posted - 2003.10.06 06:28:00 - [11] I like it how she warned you first. Thats just pure style points righ there =) Im Yo Huckleberreh
Tsingtau	Posted - 2003.10.06 06:39:00 - [12] Quote: I'm with the non-carebears on this one, the only thing that played any part in the destruction of your mate's ship is his own impatience. too bad, so sad. keep refreshing the info next time. Maybe I didnt make myself clear. I know why he lost his ship I know he was impatient. plz read what it is your answering before making a comment like that. I asked nicely for a comment if it was an exploit or not..has nothing to do with "care-bears" or hephalumps and woozels. its a matter of cheating the system to set yourself up in a better position. its dirty and in the game mechanics as of now. just wanted some insight is all.
Sam Sneak	Posted - 2003.10.06 07:16:00 - [13] people will always try to subvert the system. you should keep a suicide pilot around to deal with situations and use your other guys to prevent target from going to warp.
Snoop	Posted - 2003.10.06 08:51:00 - [14] Quote: I'm with the non-carebears on this one, the only thing that played any part in the destruction of your mate's ship is his own impatience. too bad, so sad. keep refreshing the info next time its not his fault he's at war with a bunch of *****'s who cant fight because there a high sec carebear corp ,they sound like the kind of lame ass holes that start a war then all exit the corp leaving an alt member there to keep the corp open while they all go join a new one, this makes me sick and CCP havent done a thing about it ,GM's couldnt even end the war's against non existant corp's and probably still cant. lame and should be classed as exploiting the combat system or concord should pod them for having no honour
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2003.10.06 09:07:00 - [15] This was reported by 50+ guys MONTHS ago, CCP claimed they would fix it... Nice going.. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2003.10.06 10:28:00 - [16] Yes its an exploit of poor game mechanics. MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Asmodia	Posted - 2003.10.06 10:42:00 - [17] If you can not fight a corp war. dont buy weapons Simply, in war and love is ALL allowed But it shows how weak the war mechanism is. How it is possible that a member can leave a corp when it is in war. Itwould be good that the member must make a money offer to aloud to leave the corp to the enemy corp. if there are more then one, the money will be shared. if someone says no, he stays in the corp. ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------
Pilar Ispuzua	Posted - 2003.10.06 10:55:00 - [18] I overheard a heated exchange in local chat a few days ago about a similar occurrence. Apparently, A GM issued a warning to a player who used that, err, yes, lame exploit of poor game mechanics. Pili === Internships Available ===
NGRU Storm	Posted - 2003.10.06 11:01:00 - [19] Edited by: NGRU Storm on 06/10/2003 12:00:18 I've seen this done before to an ally corporation, and based on game mechanics it's unfortunately NOT and exploit. It could be described more aptly as an oversight by the CCP team during the coding of corporation mechanics. Blame can't really be placed in anyone's corner because all situations and cirmcumstances can't really be clearly foreseen. I think though that if a number of players put a suggestion regarding this in the CCP Suggestion Box, we might see a change in this in the future at some point. Perhaps a 48 hour wait period before a "quit corporation" request could be processed? Don't get me wrong folks, I agree with you all that quitting a corporation to prevent the destruction of a ship during a period of war is perhaps among the cheapest and most cowardly maneuvers in the book. Keep the Faith, NGRU Storm Commanding Officer/Founder Clan NGRU Gamers Association -- Worlds for the TakingÖ http://www.clan-ngru.com
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.10.06 11:07:00 - [20] Looks as though whether or not ppl think it's an exploit depends on their definition of exploit. In short, though, if people can do this, any and all wars are completely pointless. If you're fighting a rival corp in <0.4 space, you can do whatever the hell you like anyway, whether they switch corps or not: and in high-sec, it's a waste of time declaring war because anyone you hunt down to kill can just quit, move someplace else, and rejoin. So it HAS to be stopped, or else the entire system of corps declaring war on each other should be removed. I know which I'd vote for _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Zanadulia	Posted - 2003.10.06 11:27:00 - [21] Quote: Cheap yes...Exploit, no. Your corp member failed to identify her. That's on his head I'm afraid. She didn't use anything to gain any real advantage over you. Any GM that would go and warn her for using that technique would risk outright laughter. "Go back and let them kill you next time!"? Yeah right You can report it via a petition but most likely all you'll be doing is issuing a bug report in the wrong location. exploit yes, jash needs to grow up , such childish antics and defense of exploit usage is very unbecoming, and would not make his parents proud. Love, Peace, Law, Order, Logic, the tools of the evolved!
Zanadulia	Posted - 2003.10.06 11:30:00 - [22] Quote: This isn't an exploit but it is a well-documented and reported problem in the game mechanics. A corporation we were at war with attempted to use this little "trick" on us but we didn't fall for it. Definitely petition it. I've asked several times for there to be a "cooling down" time before leaving and a time restraint (2 weeks would be appropriate) before you can rejoin a corporation you recently quit. using a flaw in the games mechanics, as you point out, in an unintentional means, to have the upperhand, is an exploit. (hands out the eve-webters to all) read up children. Love, Peace, Law, Order, Logic, the tools of the evolved!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 11:35:00 - [23] Quote: Quote: Cheap yes...Exploit, no. Your corp member failed to identify her. That's on his head I'm afraid. She didn't use anything to gain any real advantage over you. Any GM that would go and warn her for using that technique would risk outright laughter. "Go back and let them kill you next time!"? Yeah right You can report it via a petition but most likely all you'll be doing is issuing a bug report in the wrong location. exploit yes, jash needs to grow up , such childish antics and defense of exploit usage is very unbecoming, and would not make his parents proud. Now out of everyone that's said pretty much the same thing, you pick me to attack. Hmm...Why do I suspect this character will disappear in about 4 days. Or it'll begin to whinny like a nag? Whatever. If a GM actually warned someone for this I'd find it a remarkable waste of keystrokes. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Zanadulia	Posted - 2003.10.06 12:08:00 - [24] Quote: Quote: Quote: Cheap yes...Exploit, no. Your corp member failed to identify her. That's on his head I'm afraid. She didn't use anything to gain any real advantage over you. Any GM that would go and warn her for using that technique would risk outright laughter. "Go back and let them kill you next time!"? Yeah right You can report it via a petition but most likely all you'll be doing is issuing a bug report in the wrong location. exploit yes, jash needs to grow up , such childish antics and defense of exploit usage is very unbecoming, and would not make his parents proud. Now out of everyone that's said pretty much the same thing, you pick me to attack. Hmm...Why do I suspect this character will disappear in about 4 days. Or it'll begin to whinny like a nag? Whatever. If a GM actually warned someone for this I'd find it a remarkable waste of keystrokes. Jash has proven the point, childish. Petition the GM, petition them again and again, report it as a bug often. CCP has to pay attention soner or later, and the children like jash will have nothing to flame others about once the exploitation of bugs is brought to a halt. Love, Peace, Law, Order, Logic, the tools of the evolved!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 12:44:00 - [25] Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Cheap yes...Exploit, no. Your corp member failed to identify her. That's on his head I'm afraid. She didn't use anything to gain any real advantage over you. Any GM that would go and warn her for using that technique would risk outright laughter. "Go back and let them kill you next time!"? Yeah right You can report it via a petition but most likely all you'll be doing is issuing a bug report in the wrong location. exploit yes, jash needs to grow up , such childish antics and defense of exploit usage is very unbecoming, and would not make his parents proud. Now out of everyone that's said pretty much the same thing, you pick me to attack. Hmm...Why do I suspect this character will disappear in about 4 days. Or it'll begin to whinny like a nag? Whatever. If a GM actually warned someone for this I'd find it a remarkable waste of keystrokes. Jash has proven the point, childish. Petition the GM, petition them again and again, report it as a bug often. CCP has to pay attention soner or later, and the children like jash will have nothing to flame others about once the exploitation of bugs is brought to a halt. Definately either WhiteTroll or cbiscuit. sigh come up with something not so 80s eh? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.10.06 12:47:00 - [26] "Your corp member failed to identify her. That's on his head I'm afraid" Typical Jash ignorance. It's a cheap tactic, she should have been dealt with as an exploiter, especially if she re-joined her corp later. "Trust No One"
Tigrana Blanque	Posted - 2003.10.06 12:57:00 - [27] Edited by: Tigrana Blanque on 06/10/2003 13:01:25 Edited by: Tigrana Blanque on 06/10/2003 12:58:32 Leaving the corp is obviously "legal" as it fits entirely within game mechanics and doesn't involve taking advantage of a bug. Hence I don't think it could be considered an 'exploit' any more than waiting at a jump drop-in point for victims is an exploit. Its conceivable (not apparently in this case from your report of the ingame chat, but in general) someone might someday want to leave a corp at war because they don't support the corp's stand, etc. Players shouldn't be banned entirely from leaving corps at war. It is, however, totally ludicrous that the game mechanics allow it with no delays as a 'tactic', in the same way that waiting at a jump-in point with tremendous numbers of drones out to lag someone so they can be killed with no risk to the attacker is. Corps should be allowed to boot players immediately. Players should perhaps have a timelimit on 'quitting' just as in real life there's a standard 2 week notice. (IRL the notice when leaving a job is customary and polite, not law in most places....but in Eve where megacorps have more power than local laws and a coalition of corps (e.g. CONCORD) represent the police, would be no stretch of game logic to make it so). Inability of a player to leave might also help in some corporate theft issues, but probably not as no 'delay timer' to leave could supercede a 'kill this character' timer anyway, and that's likely all the time a thief would need. The rejoining part though (both the player wanting to and the corp re-accepting her without delays) is way out of line and proves corp and player intent to defraud the system....e.g. take advantage of poor game mechanics. That part can probably logically be called an "exploit". Nice to see you do recognize your own pilot's fault in shooting first. Too bad some here will ignore that part and pull all the same lame "you got pwned!" and namecalling crapola prevalent on these boards rather than pay attention to the bigger issue. I see the quitter tactics even get blessing from those who whine elsewhere about consequences of actions being logically based and blame those wanting to avoid fights for ruining the game by swaying the mechanics their way. If they even try to justify their inconsistency it will be with some b.s. about how you made your own bed (but their complaints are different).
Archain	Posted - 2003.10.06 13:06:00 - [28] LOL, how did I know the word exploiter would come out of his mouth =). I was almost sure enough to put money on it. I do agree though, that is a pretty cheap tactic. I don't know of anyway to counter that one except for maybe requiring more time for a corp drop or allowing us to designate personal war/KOS lists. I think the second option would need alot of restrictions though, you can't have those on the negative side declaring war with every single person. Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
McWatt	Posted - 2003.10.06 13:11:00 - [29] it s fair game, though not very nice. but again, we should address the real problem: uber-concord will******you for small crime ccp is not interested in their war-"system" at all, if they were it wouldn t be this utterly stupid and useless.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.06 13:19:00 - [30] Post the name of the corporation and the player, I want to see who the coward lamer is. Convert Stations
Sally	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:32:00 - [31] According to CCP, it's an exploit. All you need to do is to file a petition. What will happen then is: - GMs will not check the logs properly, - GMs will say to him that changing corps in the middle of combat is considered an exploit and they will warn him to not do it again, - when he tells the GMs that you didn't leave the corp in the middle of combat they will ignore his EVE-Mails and/or E-Mails . Happened to me with 3 CoC Battleships blewing my BB up in New Caldari. There is also a bug involved in this issue, it looks like sometimes the other side has the old visual data on you, e.g. they still think you are in the old corp. I didn't know this before it happened first time to CoC. -- Stories: #1 --
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:00:00 - [32] Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/10/2003 15:03:52 Quote: "Your corp member failed to identify her. That's on his head I'm afraid" Typical Jash ignorance. It's a cheap tactic, she should have been dealt with as an exploiter, especially if she re-joined her corp later. No WhiteDrip, no ignorance. Just I don't go crying to people the minute something happens that I don't like. Oversight on the developers part? Definately. Cheap? 100%. Would I use it? Not in any lifetime. But it's there and instead of crying about things, I move on. The Atlantic Navy Fleet corp is doing something I'm quite certain you'd be crying "Exploiter!" about on these forums in a heartbeat. Pulled in on me twice now. You know what I'm **ed about? My other 4 guns never get a chance to fire before I send them off with flames shooting out the back end of their ships. Just play the damn game. The reason why you're quitting is because you can't just play the damn game. You had to take everything as a personal injustice. And it ruined the game for you. See something that looks foul? Report it and move the fack on. You're leaving in about 3 days, right? Whereever you go Whitedwarf, I have bad news for you: Because you can't just play the game, you'll NEVER** completely enjoy it unless you're completely alone. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:13:00 - [33] It's Guevara, please don't Marc Anthony the guy. Convert Stations
Zanadulia	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:20:00 - [34] I recieved Eve as a gift, but doubt I'll continue if CCP doesn't post some response again on the banning of exploiters. I have seen enough of the cheats in the FPS's and will not waste my money to entertain a minority of cheaters. Jash should get a life other then thread trolling to defend cheaters, and to talk smack against anyone that complains. He sure is brave being anonymous, but I would wager he would tuck his tail between his legs and run like a coward if even a girl like I was to confront him in real life. Love, Peace, Law, Order, Logic, the tools of the evolved!
Zorael	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:24:00 - [35] Edited by: Zorael on 06/10/2003 15:27:45 Quote: ...He sure is brave being anonymous... Zanadulia shoots herself in the foot with a cruise missile ... - - - Lack of planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part
Tsingtau	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:19:00 - [36] Quote: Oversight on the developers part? Definately. Cheap? 100%. Would I use it? Not in any lifetime. But it's there and instead of crying about things, I move on. I have read and reread what I have posted and I dont see where I have whined moaned cryed about the situation that happend. As I have said before I just wanted some other peoples opinions on the matter and to see if it has happend to anyone else. I personally think it was cheap and lastnight after I posted this I was getting ready to log out when this corp came to our home sector flying the flag of the corp they had just quit as if to taunt the fact that they can do it. all the same its just a little upsetting that nothing is being done about it. I admire the fact she still wants to fight our corp I just dont aprove of the tactics she is using. but like another poster said alls fair in love and war...I feel like I am being straped to the hood of a yellow rental truck packed in with fertilizer and fuel oil pushed over a cliff by a suicidal mickey mouse Thanks for the response folks glad to see I am not the only one who thinks this is dirty and cheap.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:29:00 - [37] Quote: Your corp member failed to identify her. that's on his head I'm afraid. Indeed. But I still think that "tactic" is extremely lame and should be prevented. Mai's Idealog
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:33:00 - [38] Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/10/2003 16:34:59 Quote: I recieved Eve as a gift, but doubt I'll continue if CCP doesn't post some response again on the banning of exploiters. I have seen enough of the cheats in the FPS's and will not waste my money to entertain a minority of cheaters. Jash should get a life other then thread trolling to defend cheaters, and to talk smack against anyone that complains. He sure is brave being anonymous, but I would wager he would tuck his tail between his legs and run like a coward if even a girl like I was to confront him in real life. Actually you'd be rather surprised at what kind of reception you'd receive from me, depending on the approach. But that's neither here nor there. The only way to prove it is for you to try something stupid (which is inadvisable as I'm licensed in 2 states). But let's review: Fact: You're an alt of someone that obviously has been here a while. Fact: You've read my posts. Fact: I've never seen a post from until you decided to flame me. Fact: I'm willing to bet nobody has seen a post from you till now. These facts lead to the extremely reasonable conclusion that between you and I, if anyone is a coward around here it'd be you. You won't even post under your regular character. That's laughable. To the original poster that replied above this. I don't accuse you of crying directly. Zanadulia/WhiteTroll here is the person I replied to. However, the advice given to WhiteTroll holds true for you as well: Just play the game. If you feel you've been wronged outside the game rules, report it and move on. If you come to the forums seeking some validation then you're no longer playing the game. You're seeking justice. Wrong people, wrong method. Seeking justice from the general public will lead you to the same place WhiteTool is headed: Cancellation in every MMORPG I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Kilhu Emmek	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:35:00 - [39] A two-week "free fire" timer ought to fix this, too, but I have no idea how they'd code that. Meaning if you leave a corp at war, you're still a valid target for the warring corp, regardless of your current corp, for two weeks. Like I said, it would be tough to code. Gradient is hiring. Read our Code of Conduct before applying.
great white	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:36:00 - [40] exploit...take out npc guns!!!!!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:50:00 - [41] Quote: Quote: Your corp member failed to identify her. that's on his head I'm afraid. Indeed. But I still think that "tactic" is extremely lame and should be prevented. Never said it wasn't lame. I said that no real advantage was gained so in my opinion it's not an exploit. Let's take a look at what 'Good' this post has done: 1) The original poster has gotten some validation from people that agree 2) The original poster has gotten dissenting opinions 3) The posts from those agreeing and disagreeing have provided excellent troll bait. 4) The posts from those agreeing and disagreeing have provided excellent flame bait 5) Most importantly, those that might use a 'tactic' like this but weren't aware of its existance now have another trick to use against others. Now how much good is that validation? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
TMX	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:53:00 - [42] Edited by: KIAtmx on 06/10/2003 16:53:57 no sh!t PvP is a complete joke? Doh! ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge!
Relentless	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:00:00 - [43] Quote: A two-week "free fire" timer ought to fix this, too, but I have no idea how they'd code that. Meaning if you leave a corp at war, you're still a valid target for the warring corp, regardless of your current corp, for two weeks. Like I said, it would be tough to code. While I agree this is an exploit, and that some sort of correction is in order, I don't agree this is the right way to fix it. A member who disagrees with their corp about a war and decide to quit over it should be able to do so, and not be subject to 2 weeks of being freely hunted. I do think it should take time to quit a corp. (which admittedly ends up amounting to much the same thing) but an hour or two should be enough to stop the exploit. Perhaps also you should be unable to rejoin that corp you quit for 2 weeks.
Marcus Grisbius	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:04:00 - [44] Another possible solution would be a personal war declaration. This could work for corps who don't want to declare hostilities on a whole corp but rather the individual who has wronged them. If the other corp would like to defend their member then they could escalate it to a full corp war. I think that it would not be too difficult to add since the game already allows for standing changes against corps and individuals. This means that the corp could follow the person after they quit a corp or if they joined another corp. Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn
Relentless	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:06:00 - [45] Jash, in one breath you complain about game mechanics: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=36800&page=1 and in the next you tell people to "Just play the game" and not to complain on the forums. I'm not impressed.
Zanadulia	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:00:00 - [46] Quote: Jash, in one breath you complain about game mechanics: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=36800&page=1 and in the next you tell people to "Just play the game" and not to complain on the forums. I'm not impressed. It is nice to see another that shares the view of Jash as something NOT to be impressed with. Love, Peace, Law, Order, Logic, the tools of the evolved!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:48:00 - [47] Quote: Jash, in one breath you complain about game mechanics: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=36800&page=1 and in the next you tell people to "Just play the game" and not to complain on the forums. I'm not impressed. Not particularly impressed by your inability to distinguish between making accusations against other players with neither authority to do so nor real evidence to substantiate it and exposing game issues. I don't make exploit accusations. I don't ask any of you for your opinion about what is an exploit. Your opinion has zero value in the matter. Only CCP's I don't use the "Cheat" category. If I think I see one, I report it under "Exploit" and move on (3 to date). But I guess you rank your flame ability as 'Impressive'. I find it rather pathetic. When you can add something meaningful, drop me an eve-mail. I'm usually playing the game instead of worrying myself to death about other people. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Relentless	Posted - 2003.10.06 19:02:00 - [48] Wow, I am so put in my place. Humblest apologies Jash. Can't imagine what came over me. You are of course entirely correct and I am completely, uh, 'pathetic' yes. Just tracing through the logic...
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.10.06 20:02:00 - [49] Quote: Never said it wasn't lame. I said that no real advantage was gained so in my opinion it's not an exploit. I totally agree. Sorry if my other post didn¦t make that clear. Picked the wrong words, blame my english (I¦m german). Mai's Idealog
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 20:14:00 - [50] Quote: Quote: Never said it wasn't lame. I said that no real advantage was gained so in my opinion it's not an exploit. I totally agree. Sorry if my other post didn¦t make that clear. Picked the wrong words, blame my english (I¦m german). No worries. Sorry if I appear harsh. The buzzards are circling, waiting for me to misstep. So I fire back pretty quick. Works in game for me I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Tsingtau	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:21:00 - [51] Quote: I don't make exploit accusations. I don't ask any of you for your opinion about what is an exploit. Your opinion has zero value in the matter. Only CCP's I don't use the "Cheat" category. If I think I see one, I report it under "Exploit" and move on (3 to date). But I guess you rank your flame ability as 'Impressive'. I find it rather pathetic. When you can add something meaningful, drop me an eve-mail. I'm usually playing the game instead of worrying myself to death about other people. So your saying because you dont do it then every one should follow your ways or we are all lame and stupid. Flame a brother for trying to get some answers to a situation that happend to him. Funny thing to me is I only wanted insight and some opinions and getting trashed for it. to those that have said there peace good or bad thank you much. to those that read the thread just to flame me for asking a question I hope one day your social skills dont limit you from achiving your goals, its sad.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:27:00 - [52] Quote: Quote: I don't make exploit accusations. I don't ask any of you for your opinion about what is an exploit. Your opinion has zero value in the matter. Only CCP's I don't use the "Cheat" category. If I think I see one, I report it under "Exploit" and move on (3 to date). But I guess you rank your flame ability as 'Impressive'. I find it rather pathetic. When you can add something meaningful, drop me an eve-mail. I'm usually playing the game instead of worrying myself to death about other people. So your saying because you dont do it then every one should follow your ways or we are all lame and stupid. Flame a brother for trying to get some answers to a situation that happend to him. Funny thing to me is I only wanted insight and some opinions and getting trashed for it. to those that have said there peace good or bad thank you much. to those that read the thread just to flame me for asking a question I hope one day your social skills dont limit you from achiving your goals, its sad. I'm sorry but you persist in taking my replies to others as a reply to yourself, others who have flamed me first, then that's your bother. I don't agree with it being an exploit. But beyond that, I've found that 90% of the time when someone askes "Is this an exploit?" they're actually saying "Call this person an exploiter with me". It simply doesn't belong on the forums and causes a good half the problems around here. Now if all that hurt your feelings, I'm not particularly sorry about that. I suspect such feelings from replies to the blatant trolls/flamers may just be inadvertant good aim hitting too close to home. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
NymphoGrrrl	Posted - 2003.10.06 22:28:00 - [53] Quote: I'm sorry but you persist in taking my replies to others as a reply to yourself, others who have flamed me first, then that's your bother. I don't agree with it being an exploit. But beyond that, I've found that 90% of the time when someone askes "Is this an exploit?" they're actually saying "Call this person an exploiter with me". It simply doesn't belong on the forums and causes a good half the problems around here. Now if all that hurt your feelings, I'm not particularly sorry about that. I suspect such feelings from replies to the blatant trolls/flamers may just be inadvertant good aim hitting too close to home. Jash Jash Jash, grow up and stop speaking out of both sides of your mouth, you troll the boards, insult anyone that won't follow your lead or disagrees with you. A classic example of an immature, rampant hormone raging little boy. All paying customers of Eve have a right to post their opinions, same as you. You have to mature a bit to understand that though. If you don't like what the forums have posted, CLOSE THE BROWSER. No one is forcing you to read this, you choose too.
Bedroom Eyes	Posted - 2003.10.07 01:57:00 - [54] Alas I speak. I'm the culptret yes tsingtau. I warned you and you failed to warn your corp mates. Plain and simple. Now lets talk about Java Ghoul who died because they tried to scamble me right after...lol is all I have to say to that. Also lets talk about you trying to camp a gate in a febal atempt to trap me. lol at that too. Your corp lost 1x Osprey 1x Thorax 1x Imicus and 1x Shuttle....plus the bonus of one being podded due to splash damage. It's not over tsingtau I have a contract to fulfill. Save your crying for your therapist please dont play upon the sympathy of others. its not my problem you docked your Dominix and got in a thorax. Oh yeah another good point. In initially striking your corp you left the belt right away and left your corp mates there to die. Lucky for you I was in a kestrel when I killed the first person. Or your other mate would have lost his thorax also. I'll bet you wet yourself when you seen my caracel. In short I warned you. You didnt listen. And after your failed attempt to buy me off (I will post the logs if you ever post again) I'ld say your moral is broken and I'm winning to the tune of 4 kills to none.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.07 02:10:00 - [55] Quote: Quote: I'm sorry but you persist in taking my replies to others as a reply to yourself, others who have flamed me first, then that's your bother. I don't agree with it being an exploit. But beyond that, I've found that 90% of the time when someone askes "Is this an exploit?" they're actually saying "Call this person an exploiter with me". It simply doesn't belong on the forums and causes a good half the problems around here. Now if all that hurt your feelings, I'm not particularly sorry about that. I suspect such feelings from replies to the blatant trolls/flamers may just be inadvertant good aim hitting too close to home. Jash Jash Jash, grow up and stop speaking out of both sides of your mouth, you troll the boards, insult anyone that won't follow your lead or disagrees with you. A classic example of an immature, rampant hormone raging little boy. All paying customers of Eve have a right to post their opinions, same as you. You have to mature a bit to understand that though. If you don't like what the forums have posted, CLOSE THE BROWSER. No one is forcing you to read this, you choose too. Seeing as how you're one of those that enjoys trolling the "Point the Finger" threads so the lynch mob can't miss the target, I'd expect you to say no less. What you want is Mob Rule on exploits. Sorry, but that type of mentality has no business deciding between right and wrong. You don't "offer an opinion". You make an accusation. And if you're wrong, you don't apologize for dragging someone through the crap. You just move on to the next target. Pardon me if I find that immature, wasteful, inciteful and just plain ole stupid. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.10.07 02:14:00 - [56] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 07/10/2003 02:15:06 I still support the whole idea of each and every player being allowed to declare "vendetta" against a number of other individuals ( say 3) - irrespective of corp affiliations at any time... would not only solve so many individual issues but would also allow for dueling... "gladiatorial" fights... all sorts. Whether or not a corp should also be allowed to declare against an individual is a moot point (in the true sense of the words).. imo probably yes. Question (as always) is how do you make it non-exploitable in other ways...
Sally	Posted - 2003.10.07 02:15:00 - [57] Quote: Seeing as how you're one of those that enjoys trolling the "Point the Finger" threads so the lynch mob can't miss the target, I'd expect you to say no less. What you want is Mob Rule on exploits. Sorry, but that type of mentality has no business deciding between right and wrong. You don't "offer an opinion". You make an accusation. And if you're wrong, you don't apologize for dragging someone through the crap. You just move on to the next target. Pardon me if I find that immature, wasteful, inciteful and just plain ole stupid. Well spoken my friend. -- Stories: #1 --
Drutort	Posted - 2003.10.07 02:42:00 - [58] lol ok we will probably see more of this, now since its a bit more public... so what will happen when a bunch of say ore stealing ppl in a corp do it in 1.0-0.5sec and a that corp goes to war fine... then they got them in a station they all leave and just undock waving ahaha you cant do nothing were out of here...ok ya thatÆs just makes all the sense in the world... you are in a country that is at war... you are a soldier you go and change the papers to say that you are now part of some other country that means that none of those soldiers of your previous enemy cant fire on you lol... sounds funny i know, and its not RL but still just looking from that point of you shows how stupid this is and CCP should have known better. im not even going to say exploit or not, because everyone seems to want there own definition and to have it suit them at there right moment and when someone uses it to show that they might be doing something they cry nooo nooo its not really. support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Tsingtau	Posted - 2003.10.07 15:30:00 - [59] Quote: (I will post the logs if you ever post again) I'ld say your moral is broken and I'm winning to the tune of 4 kills to none. And here we go again with the little "pety" things..I had the courtesy of not naming any names giving out any details...was just looking into the matter because thats what I do. I dont run around and threaten I gather information to come to an educated decision. as for the rest of what you had to say Bedroom eyes...all I caught was "blah blah blah" and if your pallett ever craves something more then chicken please do come and visit us and bring some friends.
Bedroom Eyes	Posted - 2003.10.07 16:21:00 - [60] Tsingtau I'm coming. Your corp mate met a friend just yesterday and died twice. Its sort of a competition for the bounty. We will meet and I'll have friends although they are somewhat independant from myself. I'm not totaly sure I even need thier help. From now on I'll have to take screen shots and post a url to them. That way people will see more than just "blah blah blah" For a minute I thought we connected on a hunter/prey level. You could have ended this Tsingtau but you have chosen not to and its going to be harder to make a deal now that your production has stopped. Perhaps this is good for your corp. You will learn how to make Isk other ways.
Viceroy	Posted - 2003.10.07 16:45:00 - [61] its an exploit afaik, GMs said so -
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.10.07 16:47:00 - [62] Undecided. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

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