Originally by: Mahavy Seth

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This ship is already broken.

Make the math... cap consumption will be absurd... you cannot run a repairer and fire...

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Dixon

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How overpowered would that ship be without the crazy cap consumtion? I think this ship is the best thing amarr players could ask for... I'm buying one as soon as they get released

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Best thing? I guess you either dont play amarr or are just blind.

Maxed skills + 8x megapulse t2 + 2x heatsing t2 = cap consumption of 69 PER SECOND. You know that it is more than one injector can give you? You need 2 injectors to actually run this setup if you include single rep.

Ah maybe passive tank (like in fleet?): yes - with tachys you use 102 cap per second now :) 2x injector minimum :)

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Originally by: Ather Ialeas

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Copied from the blog feedback thread:

Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Ok i did some calculations :)

ABADDON:
Maxed skills, 8x mega pulse t2 + 2x heat sink t2
It uses 69 cap per second to sustain guns

Now heavy electrochemical injector gives 66per second...
Zomg - i need 2 injectors O_O

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'nuff said tbh

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Originally by: Imperial Coercion

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Originally by: Dixon

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I hope you ppl seriously start selling your characters and go through some therapy. This massive amarr-whining is just getting annoying.

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You dont even fly Amarr you total troll.

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Originally by: Xendie

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why anyone would want to use energy weapons on this ship is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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The most obvious thing about this ship is that it isn't getting any energy weapon capacitor need bonus. The bonuses it is getting however are pretty powerful. It has the option of more damage than an Armageddon or a better tank than an Apocalypse. The problem starts however when it tries to do both at once.Slot wise its gonna have 8 turret hardpoints, 8 high slots and 8 low slots. Whether it has one more slot than the Apocalypse isn't really decided but its quite clear that if it does then it will be a med slot.

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Originally by: Galadiin Venyaa

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I can't see why Amarr get the only T3 BS that can only do 1 of the 2?

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Ummm iirc fleet geddons DO fit full rack of them (at least RZR ones do) - so its not that big difference.

As for pure laser dps:
1060 from megapulse t2 + 3x heatsink using conflagration.

How much blastermega can dish out (excluding drones plz)?

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 25/07/2006 20:46:20

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Don't forget to compare the range while you're at it.

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15km with multi (+ faloff). Not too hard to pass on MWD (and iirc new gally toy is even faster and deals more damage).

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Originally by: Imperial Coercion

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Me personally, I've cancelled my 2 accounts. I just cant be bothered anymore. My main has 25mill sp in amarr, what a waste.

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Originally by: Wodin Drukvik

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It can only fit a better tank than an Apoc if it turns off its guns and never turns them on or uses projectiles. Even if you downrank your weapons(using Dual Heavy Pulse vs. Megapulses on the Apoc) your lasers will still be consuming more cap/second on the Abaddon than they would be on the Apoc, and thus your tank will be correspondingly weaker. That's the big problem - it can only fill one of the two roles the dev blog describes.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/2853/dpst2supercloserangerb0.jpg

(my response from other topic):

Abaddon vs new BBoat is same as Geddon vs blaster mega. And abby vs mega... depends on drone amount on Abby.

Question now... Why not to give abby the same bonuses as geddon has (so dump armor stuff, add -10% cap usage)?. It will be exactly same as geddon (+1 turret) but thx to higher grid/cpu (hope so) it will be able to fit at least partial tank.

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Originally by: Deva Blackwhiner

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But why amarr cant get any other type of bonuses for their ships? Optimal? EWar? Drone?

Why all amarr BS have to "tank" or "gank"? Why cant they have something new for example?

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To get an equivalent cap consumption from weapons as an Apoc with a full rack of Megapulses, you need to go down to 4 Dual Heavy Pulse lasers.

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Originally by: Mahavy Seth

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The most funny thing of this rant is Dixon replies. He totally do not understood anything and seems to battle with awful rage against amarr race, forcing himself to type thewt abaddon id overpowered for many things, but mainly cause he can gank like a geddon and tank like an apoc.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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I just want to ask: in what way that BS wil PWN? And in what way it will be worth to buy one of them instead of 2 geddons (one breaks you have another)?

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Dixon

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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I just want to ask: in what way that BS wil PWN? And in what way it will be worth to buy one of them instead of 2 geddons (one breaks you have another)?

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This ship will pwn in the ganking department mainly. Well tanking can probably be achieved with 4 MP II and 4 Hvy nos, but who likes tanking? The reason it will be worth buying over 2 geddons is... well unless you intend on riding those 2 geddons like a pair of skis the abaddon will probably be better in many ways (not all, many).

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I really DO hope ill meet some of abaddons with my pilgrim. Killing them might be a lot of fun :)

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Originally by: Captin Biltmore

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Ok, this is what upset's me about this "Abomination". Every other Tier 3 BS can use both of it's bonus's at once to full effect....and they feed off of each other to enhance the whole ship. The Amarr Abomination can only take advantage of one or the other bonus.

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Originally by: Cpt Abestos

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Originally by: Dixon

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Originally by: Captin Biltmore

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Ok, this is what upset's me about this "Abomination". Every other Tier 3 BS can use both of it's bonus's at once to full effect....and they feed off of each other to enhance the whole ship. The Amarr Abomination can only take advantage of one or the other bonus.

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So you're assuming the Abaddon cannot be fired upon while running his guns then?

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and i could slap on a enam II and some plates on a geddon and get basicly the same thing for 60mil vs 150. The point is this ship not only fails to be remotely versitle but also sucks are both of its intened roles you really shouldn't have to fit 2 cap injectors to run your guns, and theres a good chance that ship ship wont outdmg the geddon by more than a few % if it gets a 75m3 drone bay.

5x Ogre IIs - 316dps
5x Garde - 250dps
5x Hammerhead II - 158dps
3x Ogre II - 190dps
3x Garde - 150dps

Assuming the abbadon does around 1000-1300dps 100dps+ that the geddon gains on its drones + the geddons sustainablity makes the geddon a better laser platform.
Which leaves the amarr with the geddon which is great with pulses and can't fit tachs w/o rcus, the apoc that needs less rcus to fit tachs but doesnt do great dmg with them and the abbadon which should be able to fit tachs with relative ease(i hope) but doesn't have the cap to run them for any length of time.
What it comes down to is that either laser cap usage needs to be lowered so that its a bit higher than hybrid cap usage or all/some amarr gun ships need a fixed 50% cap bonus + 2 other bounses either way lasers and amarr in general need to be closely looked and and adjusted imo.

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Originally by: Perry

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Hello ^^ Im an Amarr only specced 3+ years old Main Char ^^

First of all let me state that the only active fitted ships i have are 1) a Curse 2) a Pilgrim 3) T2 fitted Apoc for Fleet. Now i must see that i get a 8 Turret lowslot dmg/tank ship. Dear CCP i have that allready as statet above, its the Apoc. All i hoped for was that Amarr would get their lacking niche filled like Caldari. Caldari lacket the Moa/Ferox style Batlleship. Amarr lacks the Arbitrator style BS, because lets face it Amarr get their ass handed to them when engaging below 20km. So now that will stay the same, because the Abaddon in its intended fit will get nossed, ecmed, droned and missiled, blastered and ACed below 20km. Fun!

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So i think its time to suggest a Layout for Abaddon that i was hoping for:

Name: Abaddon
Role: Close Range Solo / Gang Ship
Description: In recent Years the Imperial Navy realised that two Fleet Gank/Tank Ships with mainly EM dmg dont cut it anymore when facing the highly specialised designs of other races fleets. Therefore the Amarr Navy took what they allready had in succesfull and specialised design, the Arbitrator, and rebuild it on Battleship scale. However as Amarr technology is not that flexibel, there had to compromises in cost and overall performance. The Result is now known as the Abaddon class Battleship.

Bonus: 10% Drone Dmg/Hp
Bonus: 5% Tracking Disruptor Effectiviness

Highslots: 6 ( 4-6 Turrets, 2-4 Missiles)
Medslots: 6 (reflecting Arbitrators 4/4/4)
Lowslots: 6 (Decent Armor Tank)

Armor: 4500
Shild: 4100

Powergrid: 15.500mW (probably less)
CPU: 550tf (probably more)
Dronespace: 175m¦ (5Heavy 5Medium)
Speed: 110m¦

After the Nos/ECM nerf this ship will not be that uber, and overall more vulnerable to killing its drones then the domis 3 waves of heavies etc. It has less Overall Stats then Geddon/Apoc to reflect the fact that Amarr Engineers needed the Place for more bulky amarr advanced tech, making it more costly and fragile but flexibel and good at short range skirmishes, especially for those like me who have maxed guns and armor and want something new to play with.

Also let me state that i would welcome Minmatar get their BS Stabber and Gallente get a nice effective EW boat with Blasters.

Thanks for reading.

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Originally by: Perry

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Says Mr Caldari who has it all now.

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Originally by: Galadiin Venyaa

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Originally by: Dixon

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I don't care if I get nossed. I'll still pwn.

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How are you planning on doing this?

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Originally by: Nyxus

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Tachyons = 102 cap use per second

1 Cap injector = 55 cap per second

Abba + Tachys = 2 cap injectors?

As far as tanking, what lasers are you going to fit and be able to tank with the Abba? Mediums?

The main problem is the lack of diversity for Amarr. *ESPECIALLY* in light of the other races getting ships that fill in holes in thier line up.

Caldari = Missile BS, EW BS, Turret BS
Gallente = Blasterboat, Sniping boat, Droneboat
Matari = Mixed weapon BS, Armor tanking bs, Shield tanking bs.

Amarr = Rof BS, Capacitor "tanking" bs, rof & tanking BS.

Honestly, isn't there anything better for us? Especailly considering that the Abbadon was a fallen angel given dominion over the hordes of demonic scorpion/locusts of the Abyss? Seems like a drone boat to me.

And tbh we really could have used a missile bs or a drone bs more than anything at this point.

Nyxus

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Originally by: Agent2 Holtze

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It would be really usefull if people actually started playing this game instead of just whining on the forums...

I'm looking forward to fly this monster. And believe me its gonna hurt!

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Originally by: Nyxus

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Originally by: Dixon

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How about we just stop trying to re-invent amarr. The race is guns and armor. That's why I trained for their ships, that's why I like 'em. Missiles and drones are for the weak.

If the RoF will cause the Abaddon to consume to much cap (wich I don't think will actually happen) then the devs can always change it to a damage bonus. Then you'd have the same DPS but a little less cap usage.

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It needs to be changed because as it stands you will need *2* cap injectors just to fire tachyons. Assuming a full cargo of cap 800s that means you will have about 2 minutes of total firing before you have to dock for "ammo". I don't have to explain how much that will suck.

And TBH Amarr have a LOT of drone ships. Second only to Gallente. And we have 2 "missile specialist" ships. So it's not 're-inventing' Amarr as it is 'trying to utilize all that Amarr actually is'.

Actually the Rokh gets 8 turrets and Caldari are the "Missile" race. Amarr are the "turret" race, yet lots of other racial ships get 8 turrets. Why can't the Abba be an 8 turret/8 missile launcher boat.

That would be sectsy.

Nyxus

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Originally by: Andreask14

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Its easy to call others whiners when you are caldari.

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