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Hydrian Alante The Scope	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:54:00 - [31] Edited by: Hydrian Alante on 26/07/2006 07:54:59 I like the Bonus! As a Blasterthron pilot I can tell you that it isn¦t funny to fly around in Battleship with 4050 Cap. Even with a large electrochemical injector... Now I don¦t have to buy a 750mill price tagged Vindicator to get the Blasterboat that I want. And it has a huge cap, low mass, good agility and more grid. Better acceleration and agility than the Mega, something around 5500-6000 Cap, 8 Neutron Blaster, something around 1500m/s with a MWD. This ship will be pure Ownage for real gallentean PvPers. For Fleet and long range Action you got the Railthron. Can¦t wait to fly such a ship. For you lazy carebears: the new battleships aren¦t balanced around PvE so STFU!
kveldulfson LFC 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:39:00 - [32] I dont think the MWD is a good bonus but it could be worse. The lack of a tracking bonus is going to hurt as it does not matter how many guns you can fit if you cant hit anything! The loss of Drone bay is amother issue it is after all a gallente Battle ship and Gallente are Drone masters are they not? I look forward to testing these on sisi but I have severe reservations about this boat, and might just fly the caldari one instead.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:41:00 - [33] well, you still have web drones and target painters.... ....wait, don't tell me noone figured it out yet.... ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Hydrian Alante The Scope	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:51:00 - [34] Where is the problem to hit a webbed battleship with a large Blaster without the tracking Bonus? I can hit very well with my Domi. It is just harder to hit cruisers, hacs¦n stuff. But large guns are there to fight large targets. I don¦t understand you guys. Everyone want¦s a solo pwnmobile which can pwn verything at everytime. And you will never get it. So stop whining. If you need the tracking bonus at any cost to pwn cruisers and other small targets then stick with your Megathron or get the money for a Vindicator.
Dinique Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 10:03:00 - [35] Originally by: bundy bear If you dont fit an MWD the bonus means nothing. Its a Blaster-ship, why the hell wouldn't you? Originally by: bundy bear This means the bonus is useless in plexes and deadspace. Stupid carebear. PVP Balance > PVE Balance. Don't use this one in deadspace then if its so horrific. Originally by: bundy bear Even with the bonus a ship with an MWD still has less cap and cap regen than one without. What im asking for is a 25% bonus to the ships cap in general. With an MWD you should have the same cap as with the MWD bonus, but without your cap will be better. The apoc already has this bonus and it works well. The ship is stated to have a huge cap. So you want 25% more? Stop whining. You can't compare the Apoc to this ship, they are not alike at all. If you don't fit an MWD you dont get the benefit of this bonus. If I don't fit ECM on a scorp I dont get benefit from ANY bonus. teh ***r0r. Bonuses that fit and dictate the ship's role... what will these horrible CCP devs think of next to ruin your life with. _____ There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
bundy bear	Posted - 2006.07.26 10:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Dinique Originally by: bundy bear If you dont fit an MWD the bonus means nothing. Its a Blaster-ship, why the hell wouldn't you? Ok every every single persont that flies this ship uses an MWD then the change I propsed will have no change what so ever it will be exactly the same as if it were the MWD bonus But then you get people who dont want to set up their ship the same as everyone else. The people who dont want people to see their ship in local and know it will have an MWD fitted. The people who might want the extra slot for a warp disruptor in this stabbed up world of ours. Point is not everyone fits their ship the same way as you, some people prefer afterburners on blaster ships for sustainability. Its just stupid that its whole bonus is centered arorund a single module thats optional to alot of blaster pilots.
Hydrian Alante The Scope	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:09:00 - [37] If you don¦t want to fit an MWD you got 19 other Battleships to fly. So STFU plz.
Thud	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:22:00 - [38] Originally by: bundy bear Please please get a different bonus for the tier 3 gallente BS. The MWD penalty bonus isnt realy a bonus. It just a partial reduction on one of the penalties on a module not everyone uses. The bonus should eb changed to a 5% to capactior capacity which will do the same thing but not restrict the ship so much. Then the ship might actually become usefull in complexes or deadspace. The MWD penalty bonus just plain sucks. No ship should have a bonus that restricted to 1 module that most people dont use. All the other ships get great tanking bonuses. Is it too much to ask for a gallente that has the cap to sustain a decent tank aswell as a rack of guns without resorting to injectors? The hyperion is a blaster ship,if you dont want to use a MWD,fly a Mega or a Domi. Both,mega and domi are great ships,no problem to use them,if you dont like close range combat. Most Blasterthron pilots i know love the hyperion,a fast ship,no MWD penalty,good cap and more or less same damage than the blasterthron. Sounds like tons of fun.
bundy bear	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:23:00 - [39] creative post ^^^ I guess i just cant see the point of giving the hype a crappy cap penalty reduction for a ship that relies on cap boosters.
Hydrian Alante The Scope	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:25:00 - [40] Edited by: Hydrian Alante on 26/07/2006 11:25:15 Originally by: bundy bear creative post ^^^ I guess i just cant see the point of giving the hype a crappy cap penalty reduction for a ship that relies on cap boosters. If you think this bonus is crappy, then you had neverever flown a Blasterboat. POINT
bundy bear	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:29:00 - [41] Gallente are gonna have a sniping ship with a large drone bay and a tracking bonus and a blaster ship with a small drone bay and no tracking bonus. The MWD penalty bonus doesnt realy do anything because the ship absolutely relies on cap booster charges. Its tracking sucks aswell. A megathron has trouble hitting another BS with 100m/s transversal at its optimal range and it has a tracking bonus!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:40:00 - [42] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/07/2006 11:40:30 Originally by: bundy bear Its tracking sucks aswell. A megathron has trouble hitting another BS with 100m/s transversal at its optimal range and it has a tracking bonus! Meh, all blasterthrons use a web. Why are you guys bringing up totally unrealistic situations to boost your arguments? You do realize that all ships should have weaknesses and not be total pwnmobiles? Use a tracking computer! Its like I would complain about having to use a damage mod on the maelstrom because it doesnt have a damage bonus, just a rof bonus. Oh noes. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Croak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:44:00 - [43] Edited by: Croak on 26/07/2006 11:44:20 How about a new type of MWD? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369662&page=4#111
Hydrian Alante The Scope	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:46:00 - [44] Originally by: bundy bear Gallente are gonna have a sniping ship with a large drone bay and a tracking bonus and a blaster ship with a small drone bay and no tracking bonus. The MWD penalty bonus doesnt realy do anything because the ship absolutely relies on cap booster charges. Its tracking sucks aswell. A megathron has trouble hitting another BS with 100m/s transversal at its optimal range and it has a tracking bonus! You even don¦t know how large the capacitor is but you are whining that this ship relies on cap charges. And like Jim said above me: every Blasterthron setup includes a Webber If a Battleship is webbed it almost stands still. Most BS Pilots even use a AB. the normal Blaster Situation is that you are flying with the mwd strait to your target at top speed. When you are tehre the target is webbed and your ship stands almost still.
Tehyarec	Posted - 2006.07.27 13:14:00 - [45] Originally by: bundy bear The MWD bonus as it is does barely anything for the megathron. No one fits cap rechargers to pvp ships and the bonus doesnt give you that much cap at all so gallente pilots still rely on an injector. A tracking bonus would be way better because even on the megathron blasters have a hard time hitting at close range. Why on earth make the new ship identical to the Megathron? If you want a Megathron's stats, use a Megathron! It's that simple. Silverleaf Foundation Website & Shop
Stamm Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:23:00 - [46] I don't fly Gallente, I'm not intending training for them either. None of my alts do either. I think they're overpowered in some respects. But even I can see this bonus is poor. Make the MWD bonus - 5% reduction to MWD penalty (i.e. at level 5 there is no penalty) and 5% reduction to MWD cap usage.
Omega Bloodstone	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:43:00 - [47] Question: Is the bonus 5% reduction MWD per level or just 5% reduction in general. Because if its per level thats totally negating MWD penalty which is actually pretty bad ass.
Stamm Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Omega Bloodstone Question: Is the bonus 5% reduction MWD per level or just 5% reduction in general. Because if its per level thats totally negating MWD penalty which is actually pretty bad ass. Um, if it negates the MWD penalty then it essentially equates to a 5% cap boost per level. As long as you have a MWD fitted. That's not so great a bonus.
Nybbas A Place for Valen	Posted - 2006.07.27 15:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Omega Bloodstone Question: Is the bonus 5% reduction MWD per level or just 5% reduction in general. Because if its per level thats totally negating MWD penalty which is actually pretty bad ass. Um, if it negates the MWD penalty then it essentially equates to a 5% cap boost per level. As long as you have a MWD fitted. That's not so great a bonus. THANK YOU! you and the OP seem to be the only people who see this.... I dont even CARE about not fitting a mwd, the problem here is that THIS BONUS IS INFERIOR to a bonus that other ships get, who cares about balance among pve, this is about balance between bonus's of other ships! A thron got its tracking changed to 7.5% because it was deemed that a 5% bonus was inferior to other bonuses... so if you arnt going to give these ships a 10% bonus to the mwd use, at least give it something like a 7.5% bonus, or just a flat out cap boost.... I don't see the problem with giving it a 10% bonus, a vindicator is a totally different ship, i dont see why everyone is whining that it would make it obsolete... ship balance shouldnt be based around the wellbeing of rare faction ships...

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