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bundy bear	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:17:00 - [1] Please please get a different bonus for the tier 3 gallente BS. The MWD penalty bonus isnt realy a bonus. It just a partial reduction on one of the penalties on a module not everyone uses. The bonus should eb changed to a 5% to capactior capacity which will do the same thing but not restrict the ship so much. Then the ship might actually become usefull in complexes or deadspace. The MWD penalty bonus just plain sucks. No ship should have a bonus that restricted to 1 module that most people dont use. All the other ships get great tanking bonuses. Is it too much to ask for a gallente that has the cap to sustain a decent tank aswell as a rack of guns without resorting to injectors?
Kulmid Nubs.	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:19:00 - [2] Edited by: Kulmid on 25/07/2006 23:19:59 give it the 7.5% bonus to armor rep that the BC has, make it go inline with every other tier 3 BS and have close the the same bonuses as the BC, with the exception of amarr, but we all know Amarr is already hated
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:23:00 - [3] Minmatar gets good tanking because the dps sucks and its a slow ship. Why should you guys with a fast ship and the best dps in the game also get tanking bonuses? It doesnt make any sense. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Foulis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:57:00 - [4] Originally by: bundy bear Please please get a different bonus for the tier 3 gallente BS. The MWD penalty bonus isnt realy a bonus. It just a partial reduction on one of the penalties on a module not everyone uses. The bonus should eb changed to a 5% to capactior capacity which will do the same thing but not restrict the ship so much. Then the ship might actually become usefull in complexes or deadspace. The MWD penalty bonus just plain sucks. No ship should have a bonus that restricted to 1 module that most people dont use. All the other ships get great tanking bonuses. Is it too much to ask for a gallente that has the cap to sustain a decent tank aswell as a rack of guns without resorting to injectors? Then use... a domi? ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Necrologic Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:02:00 - [5] There were some suggestions to this effect in the other thread on this ship. I believe among the suggestions were 5% to mwd speeds, 5% to agility, 10% less mwd cap use and some others. Any of these would be good imo.
ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:31:00 - [6] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 26/07/2006 00:31:52 I think some folks are reading the bonus wrong. It's 5% increase to Capacitor Cap AMOUNT while an MWD is running per level of BS. Effectively, they're canceling out the MWD's cap penalty just for this ship (if you have Gall BS 5). This is a pretty decent deal for a MWD ship and massively better than a piddly reduction in MWD cap use. This bonus results in 25% more cap being generated per second than a standard BS with MWD fitted (since you have more cap with the same recharge rate), which results in more power being available for Blasters and a tank / ECM. IMO that's a more powerful combo than people think. -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
bundy bear	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:52:00 - [7] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 26/07/2006 00:31:52 I think some folks are reading the bonus wrong. It's 5% increase to Capacitor Cap AMOUNT while an MWD is running per level of BS. Effectively, they're canceling out the MWD's cap penalty just for this ship (if you have Gall BS 5). This is a pretty decent deal for a MWD ship and massively better than a piddly reduction in MWD cap use. This bonus results in 25% more cap being generated per second than a standard BS with MWD fitted (since you have more cap with the same recharge rate), which results in more power being available for Blasters and a tank / ECM. IMO that's a more powerful combo than people think. If you dont fit an MWD the bonus means nothing. This means the bonus is useless in plexes and deadspace. Even with the bonus a ship with an MWD still has less cap and cap regen than one without. What im asking for is a 25% bonus to the ships cap in general. With an MWD you should have the same cap as with the MWD bonus, but without your cap will be better. The apoc already has this bonus and it works well.
Breed Love Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:06:00 - [8] Originally by: bundy bear If you dont fit an MWD the bonus means nothing. This means the bonus is useless in plexes and deadspace. Even with the bonus a ship with an MWD still has less cap and cap regen than one without. What im asking for is a 25% bonus to the ships cap in general. With an MWD you should have the same cap as with the MWD bonus, but without your cap will be better. The apoc already has this bonus and it works well. Since when was ship balancing done with npc's and plexes in mind? ------ Originally by: Gazon In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:07:00 - [9] from whats been proposed, it's likely the hyperion will have a huge natural cap, with the mwd bonus being the extra cherry on top.... you guys seem to be chasing your own tail
pony2slow	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:18:00 - [10] tbh blasterthron pilots have been asking for this for a long time now.. but time will tell.. --------------------------------------------- alt of ponieus of BNC.. I am too lazy to change it when i post.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Kulmid Edited by: Kulmid on 25/07/2006 23:19:59 give it the 7.5% bonus to armor rep that the BC has, make it go inline with every other tier 3 BS and have close the the same bonuses as the BC, with the exception of amarr, but we all know Amarr is already hated cool, take the 5% mwd cap bonus away from the thorax and the 10% mwd cap bonus of the faction ships and replace them for a tanking bonus, cuz it isn't fair for the rest. ...oh ffs, the blasterboats NEED this bonus to be good, otherwise we would be looking at a vitamined megathron that would need cap injectors just to barely keep the guns online without becoming a mwd'ing fireball. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:29:00 - [12] I can see the point of the 5% cap bonus when fitting mwd on the Thorax and Deimos as you don't really have the option to fit a cap booster. Also the bonus is some what usefull on those ships as cruiser dps and tankability is so disproportionate compared to BS dps and tankability. Overall I think the bonuss as a whole is rather craptastic even on cruisers. I feel that the best solution is to increase the MWD as a whole (even on rax and deimos) to 10% or to simply replace it with a MWD bonus that actually carries an effect throught the fight rather than simple giving you a mild cap buffer at the start. I'd rather change this MWD bonus to a usefull MWD bonus rather than give it some OP 7.5% rep bonus.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:46:00 - [13] I would really love for there to be 0 cap penalty on MWDs at level 5 skill on the Thorax/Deimos and this new ship. While 7.5% is less than 25%, it would certainly ben ice to have the 7.5% reduced to 0! --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Soren Eisarson	Posted - 2006.07.26 02:12:00 - [14] What are you people talking about? Either you've never flown blaster boats or don't realize how great an MWD bonus is.... THANK YOU CCP!!!! This MWD bonus is what makes the ship a real blaster boat..... Would you rather not depend on cap boosters so darn much? This ship is going to be amazing :)
Nemain Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 02:21:00 - [15] An out and out 5% mwd reduction bonus would be nice, as in -5% per level for PG, CPU, Cap use, Sig Increase and Cap reduction. Probably too overpowered tho, still I cam dream The Mwd bonus is good, tho as with all bonus' of this type it's not much of a low level bonus. Level 5 BS will give a very nice bonus tho especially when combined with good nav skills, the mwd will eat only slightly more than an AB (or so it seems to me on the deimos). The high speed, agility, big cap and damage bonus should make it a very nice blaster boat, if somwhat specialised.
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.07.26 03:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Hllaxiu I would really love for there to be 0 cap penalty on MWDs at level 5 skill on the Thorax/Deimos and this new ship. While 7.5% is less than 25%, it would certainly ben ice to have the 7.5% reduced to 0! I rarely do pvp so Im not expert on this matter are the bonuses actually not cancelling the mwd cap penalty or not. But Either way the MWD bonus is the one bonus the Hyperion should at least have. Make no mistake about that. There are so many other ships that are well suited for NPC activities.
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.26 03:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Glarion Garnier I rarely do pvp so Im not expert on this matter are the bonuses actually not cancelling the mwd cap penalty or not. Bassicly the bonus just adds 5% cap per level when you fit a mwd.
bundy bear	Posted - 2006.07.26 04:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Soren Eisarson What are you people talking about? Either you've never flown blaster boats or don't realize how great an MWD bonus is.... THANK YOU CCP!!!! This MWD bonus is what makes the ship a real blaster boat..... Would you rather not depend on cap boosters so darn much? This ship is going to be amazing :) The bonus simply sucks. It works exactly the same as the apocs cap bonus but is restricted to ships with MWD's fitted. All it does is take away most of one of the MWD's penalties while the apocs bonus is allways there MWD or no. Either get the max cap bonus or make it 10% so it actually becomes a bonus to use an MWD with it.
Blue Berry	Posted - 2006.07.26 04:51:00 - [19] Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: Soren Eisarson What are you people talking about? Either you've never flown blaster boats or don't realize how great an MWD bonus is.... THANK YOU CCP!!!! This MWD bonus is what makes the ship a real blaster boat..... Would you rather not depend on cap boosters so darn much? This ship is going to be amazing :) The bonus simply sucks. It works exactly the same as the apocs cap bonus but is restricted to ships with MWD's fitted. All it does is take away most of one of the MWD's penalties while the apocs bonus is allways there MWD or no. Either get the max cap bonus or make it 10% so it actually becomes a bonus to use an MWD with it. What's the point of a vindicator if a non faction BS got the super MWD boost?
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.26 04:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Blue Berry What's the point of a vindicator if a non faction BS got the super MWD boost? Maybee the point is that it gets three bonusses with a 40% increase to hp... Also take a look at the bonusses on the other pirate faction ships, I'm sure you will notice that the 10% instead of the 5% is rather odd.
anotleam	Posted - 2006.07.26 05:07:00 - [21] Isn't really a bonus cause only work when you fit a module? there goes the webber bonus, the gun bonus, the <instert 70% of the bonus here>. Hyperion is MEANT to be a blasterboat, a blasterboat needs a mwd, hence the mwd bonus. Of course it wont work well in deadspace, it's a blasterboat. The bloq also said that the hyperion cap will be very large, but anyway, why the hell are peeps whining yet? wait until the ships are in the test server at least lol.
Stella Centauri Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2006.07.26 06:05:00 - [22] I dont fly blasterthron very often, not because of cap problems, but the bad tracking of blasters... Hmm.. looks at the tracking-bonus of the megathron and the bonuses of the T3-one again --------------------------------------- Stella - If your boss gets to choose.
anotleam	Posted - 2006.07.26 06:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Stella Centauri I dont fly blasterthron very often, not because of cap problems, but the bad tracking of blasters... Hmm.. looks at the tracking-bonus of the megathron and the bonuses of the T3-one again Yep, the tracking part i dont get, however blasters are supposed to be tweaked, they were in the list some dev posted not too long ago, maybe they already have those changes in mind.
Dethis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 06:37:00 - [24] Do not balance ships with npcing in mind pretty pretty pls. Bonus is good nuff' said -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
TuRtLe HeAd Apocalypse Enterprises	Posted - 2006.07.26 06:49:00 - [25] I like the MWD bonus. Gallente Pilots have been screaming for it. And it will definately result in me getting one, Im not the biggest of gallente fans, but that Never stopped me training For every ship and gun tech II wise. I think this is possibly one of the better bonuses out of all the teir III BS's
Madcat Adams Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:09:00 - [26] Welcome to one of the old complaints of the Amarr (:p) Don't forget we have that pesky -5% lazer cap use, it's very much the same situation. That said though, rather like the MWD bonus. Lazers can be replaced with guns, but nothing replaces the MWD for a blaster boat, think this will prove very useful.
Quereia	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:18:00 - [27] Originally by: bundy bear The bonus simply sucks. It works exactly the same as the apocs cap bonus but is restricted to ships with MWD's fitted. Maybe, just maybe, the Hyperion is supposed to be fitted with the MWD? It's a blasterboat for crying out loud, and you don't use a blaster battleship without MWD. It's clearly not a deadspace ship. As such, it makes use of the bonus 99% of the time.
Ti anna Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:28:00 - [28] The thing I reallyt, REALLY do not get is that there is no tracking bonus. I don't like using blasters on my Megathron because they miss and do so many glancing shots. This is with a ship that gets +7.5% tracking per level of Gal BS, and I have L5. The lack of a tracking bonus for this ship is going to make it (at least in my eyes) almost useless. Guess I will have to finally switch to a Caldari ship like most people seem to.
Dethis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Ti anna The thing I reallyt, REALLY do not get is that there is no tracking bonus. I don't like using blasters on my Megathron because they miss and do so many glancing shots. This is with a ship that gets +7.5% tracking per level of Gal BS, and I have L5. The lack of a tracking bonus for this ship is going to make it (at least in my eyes) almost useless. Guess I will have to finally switch to a Caldari ship like most people seem to. Seems this is the main problem not the mwd bonus -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
bundy bear	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:35:00 - [30] The MWD bonus as it is does barely anything for the megathron. No one fits cap rechargers to pvp ships and the bonus doesnt give you that much cap at all so gallente pilots still rely on an injector. A tracking bonus would be way better because even on the megathron blasters have a hard time hitting at close range.

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