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bundy bear
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Posted - 2006.07.25 23:17:00 -
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Please please get a different bonus for the tier 3 gallente BS. The MWD penalty bonus isnt realy a bonus. It just a partial reduction on one of the penalties on a module not everyone uses. The bonus should eb changed to a 5% to capactior capacity which will do the same thing but not restrict the ship so much. Then the ship might actually become usefull in complexes or deadspace.
The MWD penalty bonus just plain sucks. No ship should have a bonus that restricted to 1 module that most people dont use. All the other ships get great tanking bonuses. Is it too much to ask for a gallente that has the cap to sustain a decent tank aswell as a rack of guns without resorting to injectors?
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Kulmid
Nubs.
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Posted - 2006.07.25 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kulmid on 25/07/2006 23:19:59
give it the 7.5% bonus to armor rep that the BC has, make it go inline with every other tier 3 BS and have close the the same bonuses as the BC, with the exception of amarr, but we all know Amarr is already hated
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 23:23:00 -
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Minmatar gets good tanking because the dps sucks and its a slow ship. Why should you guys with a fast ship and the best dps in the game also get tanking bonuses? It doesnt make any sense.
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Foulis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 23:57:00 -
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 Originally by: bundy bear
Please please get a different bonus for the tier 3 gallente BS. The MWD penalty bonus isnt realy a bonus. It just a partial reduction on one of the penalties on a module not everyone uses. The bonus should eb changed to a 5% to capactior capacity which will do the same thing but not restrict the ship so much. Then the ship might actually become usefull in complexes or deadspace.
The MWD penalty bonus just plain sucks. No ship should have a bonus that restricted to 1 module that most people dont use. All the other ships get great tanking bonuses. Is it too much to ask for a gallente that has the cap to sustain a decent tank aswell as a rack of guns without resorting to injectors?
Then use... a domi?
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Necrologic
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.07.26 00:02:00 -
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There were some suggestions to this effect in the other thread on this ship. I believe among the suggestions were 5% to mwd speeds, 5% to agility, 10% less mwd cap use and some others. Any of these would be good imo.
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
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Posted - 2006.07.26 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 26/07/2006 00:31:52
I think some folks are reading the bonus wrong. It's 5% increase to Capacitor Cap AMOUNT while an MWD is running per level of BS. Effectively, they're canceling out the MWD's cap penalty just for this ship (if you have Gall BS 5). This is a pretty decent deal for a MWD ship and massively better than a piddly reduction in MWD cap use. This bonus results in 25% more cap being generated per second than a standard BS with MWD fitted (since you have more cap with the same recharge rate), which results in more power being available for Blasters and a tank / ECM. IMO that's a more powerful combo than people think.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2006.07.26 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 26/07/2006 00:31:52
I think some folks are reading the bonus wrong. It's 5% increase to Capacitor Cap AMOUNT while an MWD is running per level of BS. Effectively, they're canceling out the MWD's cap penalty just for this ship (if you have Gall BS 5). This is a pretty decent deal for a MWD ship and massively better than a piddly reduction in MWD cap use. This bonus results in 25% more cap being generated per second than a standard BS with MWD fitted (since you have more cap with the same recharge rate), which results in more power being available for Blasters and a tank / ECM. IMO that's a more powerful combo than people think.
If you dont fit an MWD the bonus means nothing. This means the bonus is useless in plexes and deadspace. Even with the bonus a ship with an MWD still has less cap and cap regen than one without. What im asking for is a 25% bonus to the ships cap in general. With an MWD you should have the same cap as with the MWD bonus, but without your cap will be better. The apoc already has this bonus and it works well.
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Breed Love
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
If you dont fit an MWD the bonus means nothing. This means the bonus is useless in plexes and deadspace. Even with the bonus a ship with an MWD still has less cap and cap regen than one without. What im asking for is a 25% bonus to the ships cap in general. With an MWD you should have the same cap as with the MWD bonus, but without your cap will be better. The apoc already has this bonus and it works well.
Since when was ship balancing done with npc's and plexes in mind?
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Pattern Clarc
Dark Destiny Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.26 01:07:00 -
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from whats been proposed, it's likely the hyperion will have a huge natural cap, with the mwd bonus being the extra cherry on top....
you guys seem to be chasing your own tail
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pony2slow
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Posted - 2006.07.26 01:18:00 -
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tbh blasterthron pilots have been asking for this for a long time now..
but time will tell..
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Grimpak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kulmid
Edited by: Kulmid on 25/07/2006 23:19:59
give it the 7.5% bonus to armor rep that the BC has, make it go inline with every other tier 3 BS and have close the the same bonuses as the BC, with the exception of amarr, but we all know Amarr is already hated
cool, take the 5% mwd cap bonus away from the thorax and the 10% mwd cap bonus of the faction ships and replace them for a tanking bonus, cuz it isn't fair for the rest.
...oh ffs, the blasterboats NEED this bonus to be good, otherwise we would be looking at a vitamined megathron that would need cap injectors just to barely keep the guns online without becoming a mwd'ing fireball.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.07.26 01:29:00 -
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I can see the point of the 5% cap bonus when fitting mwd on the Thorax and Deimos as you don't really have the option to fit a cap booster. Also the bonus is some what usefull on those ships as cruiser dps and tankability is so disproportionate compared to BS dps and tankability.
Overall I think the bonuss as a whole is rather craptastic even on cruisers. I feel that the best solution is to increase the MWD as a whole (even on rax and deimos) to 10% or to simply replace it with a MWD bonus that actually carries an effect throught the fight rather than simple giving you a mild cap buffer at the start. I'd rather change this MWD bonus to a usefull MWD bonus rather than give it some OP 7.5% rep bonus.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.07.26 01:46:00 -
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I would really love for there to be 0 cap penalty on MWDs at level 5 skill on the Thorax/Deimos and this new ship. While 7.5% is less than 25%, it would certainly ben ice to have the 7.5% reduced to 0!
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Soren Eisarson
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:12:00 -
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What are you people talking about? Either you've never flown blaster boats or don't realize how great an MWD bonus is.... THANK YOU CCP!!!! This MWD bonus is what makes the ship a real blaster boat..... Would you rather not depend on cap boosters so darn much? This ship is going to be amazing :)
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Nemain
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:21:00 -
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An out and out 5% mwd reduction bonus would be nice, as in -5% per level for PG, CPU, Cap use, Sig Increase and Cap reduction. Probably too overpowered tho, still I cam dream  The Mwd bonus is good, tho as with all bonus' of this type it's not much of a low level bonus. Level 5 BS will give a very nice bonus tho especially when combined with good nav skills, the mwd will eat only slightly more than an AB (or so it seems to me on the deimos). The high speed, agility, big cap and damage bonus should make it a very nice blaster boat, if somwhat specialised.
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2006.07.26 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
I would really love for there to be 0 cap penalty on MWDs at level 5 skill on the Thorax/Deimos and this new ship. While 7.5% is less than 25%, it would certainly ben ice to have the 7.5% reduced to 0!
I rarely do pvp so Im not expert on this matter are the bonuses actually not cancelling the mwd cap penalty or not. But Either way the MWD bonus is the one bonus the Hyperion should at least have. Make no mistake about that. There are so many other ships that are well suited for NPC activities.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.07.26 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Glarion Garnier
I rarely do pvp so Im not expert on this matter are the bonuses actually not cancelling the mwd cap penalty or not.
Bassicly the bonus just adds 5% cap per level when you fit a mwd.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2006.07.26 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Soren Eisarson
What are you people talking about? Either you've never flown blaster boats or don't realize how great an MWD bonus is.... THANK YOU CCP!!!! This MWD bonus is what makes the ship a real blaster boat..... Would you rather not depend on cap boosters so darn much? This ship is going to be amazing :)
The bonus simply sucks. It works exactly the same as the apocs cap bonus but is restricted to ships with MWD's fitted. All it does is take away most of one of the MWD's penalties while the apocs bonus is allways there MWD or no. Either get the max cap bonus or make it 10% so it actually becomes a bonus to use an MWD with it.
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Blue Berry
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Posted - 2006.07.26 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
Originally by: Soren Eisarson
What are you people talking about? Either you've never flown blaster boats or don't realize how great an MWD bonus is.... THANK YOU CCP!!!! This MWD bonus is what makes the ship a real blaster boat..... Would you rather not depend on cap boosters so darn much? This ship is going to be amazing :)
The bonus simply sucks. It works exactly the same as the apocs cap bonus but is restricted to ships with MWD's fitted. All it does is take away most of one of the MWD's penalties while the apocs bonus is allways there MWD or no. Either get the max cap bonus or make it 10% so it actually becomes a bonus to use an MWD with it.
What's the point of a vindicator if a non faction BS got the super MWD boost?
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.07.26 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Berry
What's the point of a vindicator if a non faction BS got the super MWD boost?
Maybee the point is that it gets three bonusses with a 40% increase to hp... Also take a look at the bonusses on the other pirate faction ships, I'm sure you will notice that the 10% instead of the 5% is rather odd.
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anotleam
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Posted - 2006.07.26 05:07:00 -
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Isn't really a bonus cause only work when you fit a module? there goes the webber bonus, the gun bonus, the <instert 70% of the bonus here>.
Hyperion is MEANT to be a blasterboat, a blasterboat needs a mwd, hence the mwd bonus.
Of course it wont work well in deadspace, it's a blasterboat.
The bloq also said that the hyperion cap will be very large, but anyway, why the hell are peeps whining yet? wait until the ships are in the test server at least lol.
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Stella Centauri
Spontaneous Defenestration
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Posted - 2006.07.26 06:05:00 -
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I dont fly blasterthron very often, not because of cap problems, but the bad tracking of blasters... Hmm..
*looks at the tracking-bonus of the megathron and the bonuses of the T3-one again*
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anotleam
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Posted - 2006.07.26 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Stella Centauri
I dont fly blasterthron very often, not because of cap problems, but the bad tracking of blasters... Hmm..
*looks at the tracking-bonus of the megathron and the bonuses of the T3-one again*
Yep, the tracking part i dont get, however blasters are supposed to be tweaked, they were in the list some dev posted not too long ago, maybe they already have those changes in mind.
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Dethis
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 06:37:00 -
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Do not balance ships with npcing in mind pretty pretty pls.
Bonus is good nuff' said
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TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.26 06:49:00 -
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I like the MWD bonus.
Gallente Pilots have been screaming for it. And it will definately result in me getting one, Im not the biggest of gallente fans, but that Never stopped me training For every ship and gun tech II wise.
I think this is possibly one of the better bonuses out of all the teir III BS's
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Madcat Adams
Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.07.26 07:09:00 -
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Welcome to one of the old complaints of the Amarr (:p) Don't forget we have that pesky -5% lazer cap use, it's very much the same situation. That said though, rather like the MWD bonus. Lazers can be replaced with guns, but nothing replaces the MWD for a blaster boat, think this will prove very useful.
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Quereia
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Posted - 2006.07.26 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
The bonus simply sucks. It works exactly the same as the apocs cap bonus but is restricted to ships with MWD's fitted.
Maybe, just maybe, the Hyperion is supposed to be fitted with the MWD? It's a blasterboat for crying out loud, and you don't use a blaster battleship without MWD. It's clearly not a deadspace ship. As such, it makes use of the bonus 99% of the time.
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Ti anna
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 07:28:00 -
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The thing I reallyt, REALLY do not get is that there is no tracking bonus. I don't like using blasters on my Megathron because they miss and do so many glancing shots. This is with a ship that gets +7.5% tracking per level of Gal BS, and I have L5.
The lack of a tracking bonus for this ship is going to make it (at least in my eyes) almost useless. Guess I will have to finally switch to a Caldari ship like most people seem to.
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Dethis
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ti anna
The thing I reallyt, REALLY do not get is that there is no tracking bonus. I don't like using blasters on my Megathron because they miss and do so many glancing shots. This is with a ship that gets +7.5% tracking per level of Gal BS, and I have L5.
The lack of a tracking bonus for this ship is going to make it (at least in my eyes) almost useless. Guess I will have to finally switch to a Caldari ship like most people seem to.
Seems this is the main problem not the mwd bonus
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2006.07.26 07:35:00 -
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The MWD bonus as it is does barely anything for the megathron. No one fits cap rechargers to pvp ships and the bonus doesnt give you that much cap at all so gallente pilots still rely on an injector. A tracking bonus would be way better because even on the megathron blasters have a hard time hitting at close range.
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Hydrian Alante
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.07.26 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Hydrian Alante on 26/07/2006 07:54:59
I like the Bonus!
As a Blasterthron pilot I can tell you that it isnŠt funny to fly around in Battleship with 4050 Cap. Even with a large electrochemical injector...
Now I donŠt have to buy a 750mill price tagged Vindicator to get the Blasterboat that I want.
And it has a huge cap, low mass, good agility and more grid.
Better acceleration and agility than the Mega, something around 5500-6000 Cap, 8 Neutron Blaster, something around 1500m/s with a MWD.
This ship will be pure Ownage for real gallentean PvPers.
For Fleet and long range Action you got the Railthron.
CanŠt wait to fly such a ship.
For you lazy carebears: the new battleships arenŠt balanced around PvE so STFU!
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kveldulfson
LFC
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:39:00 -
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I dont think the MWD is a good bonus but it could be worse. The lack of a tracking bonus is going to hurt as it does not matter how many guns you can fit if you cant hit anything! The loss of Drone bay is amother issue it is after all a gallente Battle ship and Gallente are Drone masters are they not?
I look forward to testing these on sisi but I have severe reservations about this boat, and might just fly the caldari one instead.
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Grimpak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:41:00 -
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well, you still have web drones and target painters....
....wait, don't tell me noone figured it out yet.... 
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Hydrian Alante
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:51:00 -
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Where is the problem to hit a webbed battleship with a large Blaster without the tracking Bonus?
I can hit very well with my Domi.
It is just harder to hit cruisers, hacsŠn stuff.
But large guns are there to fight large targets.
I donŠt understand you guys. Everyone wantŠs a solo pwnmobile which can pwn verything at everytime.
And you will never get it. So stop whining.
If you need the tracking bonus at any cost to pwn cruisers and other small targets then stick with your Megathron or get the money for a Vindicator.
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Dinique
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
If you dont fit an MWD the bonus means nothing.
Its a Blaster-ship, why the hell wouldn't you?
Originally by: bundy bear
This means the bonus is useless in plexes and deadspace.
Stupid carebear. PVP Balance > PVE Balance. Don't use this one in deadspace then if its so horrific.
Originally by: bundy bear
Even with the bonus a ship with an MWD still has less cap and cap regen than one without. What im asking for is a 25% bonus to the ships cap in general. With an MWD you should have the same cap as with the MWD bonus, but without your cap will be better. The apoc already has this bonus and it works well.
The ship is stated to have a huge cap. So you want 25% more? Stop whining. You can't compare the Apoc to this ship, they are not alike at all. If you don't fit an MWD you dont get the benefit of this bonus. If I don't fit ECM on a scorp I dont get benefit from ANY bonus. teh ***r0r. Bonuses that fit and dictate the ship's role... what will these horrible CCP devs think of next to ruin your life with.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dinique
Originally by: bundy bear
If you dont fit an MWD the bonus means nothing.
Its a Blaster-ship, why the hell wouldn't you?
Ok every every single persont that flies this ship uses an MWD then the change I propsed will have no change what so ever it will be exactly the same as if it were the MWD bonus 
But then you get people who dont want to set up their ship the same as everyone else. The people who dont want people to see their ship in local and know it will have an MWD fitted. The people who might want the extra slot for a warp disruptor in this stabbed up world of ours. Point is not everyone fits their ship the same way as you, some people prefer afterburners on blaster ships for sustainability. Its just stupid that its whole bonus is centered arorund a single module thats optional to alot of blaster pilots.
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Hydrian Alante
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:09:00 -
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If you donŠt want to fit an MWD you got 19 other Battleships to fly.
So STFU plz.
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Thud
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
Please please get a different bonus for the tier 3 gallente BS. The MWD penalty bonus isnt realy a bonus. It just a partial reduction on one of the penalties on a module not everyone uses. The bonus should eb changed to a 5% to capactior capacity which will do the same thing but not restrict the ship so much. Then the ship might actually become usefull in complexes or deadspace.
The MWD penalty bonus just plain sucks. No ship should have a bonus that restricted to 1 module that most people dont use. All the other ships get great tanking bonuses. Is it too much to ask for a gallente that has the cap to sustain a decent tank aswell as a rack of guns without resorting to injectors?
The hyperion is a blaster ship,if you dont want to use a MWD,fly a Mega or a Domi.
Both,mega and domi are great ships,no problem to use them,if you dont like close range combat.
Most Blasterthron pilots i know love the hyperion,a fast ship,no MWD penalty,good cap and more or less same damage than the blasterthron.
Sounds like tons of fun.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:23:00 -
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creative post ^^^
I guess i just cant see the point of giving the hype a crappy cap penalty reduction for a ship that relies on cap boosters.
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Hydrian Alante
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Hydrian Alante on 26/07/2006 11:25:15
Originally by: bundy bear
creative post ^^^
I guess i just cant see the point of giving the hype a crappy cap penalty reduction for a ship that relies on cap boosters.
If you think this bonus is crappy, then you had neverever flown a Blasterboat.
POINT
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:29:00 -
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Gallente are gonna have a sniping ship with a large drone bay and a tracking bonus and a blaster ship with a small drone bay and no tracking bonus. The MWD penalty bonus doesnt realy do anything because the ship absolutely relies on cap booster charges. Its tracking sucks aswell. A megathron has trouble hitting another BS with 100m/s transversal at its optimal range and it has a tracking bonus!
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/07/2006 11:40:30
Originally by: bundy bear
Its tracking sucks aswell. A megathron has trouble hitting another BS with 100m/s transversal at its optimal range and it has a tracking bonus!
Meh, all blasterthrons use a web. Why are you guys bringing up totally unrealistic situations to boost your arguments? You do realize that all ships should have weaknesses and not be total pwnmobiles? Use a tracking computer! Its like I would complain about having to use a damage mod on the maelstrom because it doesnt have a damage bonus, just a rof bonus. Oh noes.
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Croak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Croak on 26/07/2006 11:44:20
How about a new type of MWD?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369662&page=4#111
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Hydrian Alante
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
Gallente are gonna have a sniping ship with a large drone bay and a tracking bonus and a blaster ship with a small drone bay and no tracking bonus. The MWD penalty bonus doesnt realy do anything because the ship absolutely relies on cap booster charges. Its tracking sucks aswell. A megathron has trouble hitting another BS with 100m/s transversal at its optimal range and it has a tracking bonus!
You even donŠt know how large the capacitor is but you are whining that this ship relies on cap charges.
And like Jim said above me: every Blasterthron setup includes a Webber If a Battleship is webbed it almost stands still. Most BS Pilots even use a AB.
the normal Blaster Situation is that you are flying with the mwd strait to your target at top speed. When you are tehre the target is webbed and your ship stands almost still.
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
The MWD bonus as it is does barely anything for the megathron. No one fits cap rechargers to pvp ships and the bonus doesnt give you that much cap at all so gallente pilots still rely on an injector. A tracking bonus would be way better because even on the megathron blasters have a hard time hitting at close range.
Why on earth make the new ship identical to the Megathron? If you want a Megathron's stats, use a Megathron! It's that simple.
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Stamm
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:23:00 -
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I don't fly Gallente, I'm not intending training for them either. None of my alts do either. I think they're overpowered in some respects.
But even I can see this bonus is poor.
Make the MWD bonus - 5% reduction to MWD penalty (i.e. at level 5 there is no penalty) and 5% reduction to MWD cap usage.
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:43:00 -
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Question: Is the bonus 5% reduction MWD per level or just 5% reduction in general. Because if its per level thats totally negating MWD penalty which is actually pretty bad ass.
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Stamm
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Question: Is the bonus 5% reduction MWD per level or just 5% reduction in general. Because if its per level thats totally negating MWD penalty which is actually pretty bad ass.
Um, if it negates the MWD penalty then it essentially equates to a 5% cap boost per level. As long as you have a MWD fitted. That's not so great a bonus.
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Nybbas
A Place for Valen
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Question: Is the bonus 5% reduction MWD per level or just 5% reduction in general. Because if its per level thats totally negating MWD penalty which is actually pretty bad ass.
Um, if it negates the MWD penalty then it essentially equates to a 5% cap boost per level. As long as you have a MWD fitted. That's not so great a bonus.
THANK YOU! you and the OP seem to be the only people who see this.... I dont even CARE about not fitting a mwd, the problem here is that THIS BONUS IS INFERIOR to a bonus that other ships get, who cares about balance among pve, this is about balance between bonus's of other ships! A thron got its tracking changed to 7.5% because it was deemed that a 5% bonus was inferior to other bonuses... so if you arnt going to give these ships a 10% bonus to the mwd use, at least give it something like a 7.5% bonus, or just a flat out cap boost.... I don't see the problem with giving it a 10% bonus, a vindicator is a totally different ship, i dont see why everyone is whining that it would make it obsolete... ship balance shouldnt be based around the wellbeing of rare faction ships...
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