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onions2
Overwhelming Synergy
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Posted - 2014.09.16 07:29:00 -
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Is it CCP's job to supply the correct 'roids for you to mine then ? Or just lower the materials in some of the rocks, just so people can make more money ? (or, more likely, start moaning because now there's not enough of it and it's too expensive)
Heaven forbid you actually have to make a plan for your materials, rather than just turning up, flip the belt and hope you didn't get too much stuff you don't want. You guys get stuff we need in High and we get stuff you need in low/null.
Good lord, whatever next ? how long before you want CCP to start supplying a free courier service to take your ores to be sold, or an ore counter on your strip miners so that you can turn it off at exactly the right second so you don't waste any valuable time.
Adjust to the market, or stop trying to sell the stuff that's already flooding the market. Not a difficult one to be honest.
GÇ£To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skillGÇ¥ |
onions2
Overwhelming Synergy
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Posted - 2014.09.16 07:29:25 -
[122] - Quote
Is it CCP's job to supply the correct 'roids for you to mine then ? Or just lower the materials in some of the rocks, just so people can make more money ? (or, more likely, start moaning because now there's not enough of it and it's too expensive)
Heaven forbid you actually have to make a plan for your materials, rather than just turning up, flip the belt and hope you didn't get too much stuff you don't want. You guys get stuff we need in High and we get stuff you need in low/null.
Good lord, whatever next ? how long before you want CCP to start supplying a free courier service to take your ores to be sold, or an ore counter on your strip miners so that you can turn it off at exactly the right second so you don't waste any valuable time.
Adjust to the market, or stop trying to sell the stuff that's already flooding the market. Not a difficult one to be honest.
GÇ£To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skillGÇ¥
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
765
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Posted - 2014.09.16 13:57:00 -
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onions2 wrote:Is it CCP's job to supply the correct 'roids for you to mine then ? Or just lower the materials in some of the rocks, just so people can make more money ? (or, more likely, start moaning because now there's not enough of it and it's too expensive)
CCP's job is to properly balance their game. The inbalance caused by grav anomolies has been identified for years and it is reaching a critical point. Highsec wretches generally simply are angry that because they take such minor risks they deserve minor rewards, but mining has its risk/reward badly skewed and it's affecting the economy as a whole in a severely negative way. |
Retar Aveymone
Evening Games Club
1022
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Posted - 2014.09.16 13:57:05 -
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onions2 wrote:Is it CCP's job to supply the correct 'roids for you to mine then ? Or just lower the materials in some of the rocks, just so people can make more money ? (or, more likely, start moaning because now there's not enough of it and it's too expensive)
CCP's job is to properly balance their game. The inbalance caused by grav anomolies has been identified for years and it is reaching a critical point. Highsec wretches generally simply are angry that because they take such minor risks they deserve minor rewards, but mining has its risk/reward badly skewed and it's affecting the economy as a whole in a severely negative way. |
onions2
Overwhelming Synergy
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Posted - 2014.09.16 14:42:00 -
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CCP can only do so much though - they can't stop people from mining, as much as they can't stop people from ganking. The only way it'll balance out is when the players sort it out.
GÇ£To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skillGÇ¥ |
onions2
Overwhelming Synergy
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Posted - 2014.09.16 14:42:56 -
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CCP can only do so much though - they can't stop people from mining, as much as they can't stop people from ganking. The only way it'll balance out is when the players sort it out.
GÇ£To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skillGÇ¥
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Kaivar Lancer
Unlimited Speciality Networks
511
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:10:00 -
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Adapt or die, nullbears.
The crash in nullsec ores just shows how safe it is in nullsec. |
Kaivar Lancer
Little Rat Company
571
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:10:35 -
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Adapt or die, nullbears.
The crash in nullsec ores just shows how safe it is in nullsec. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:43:00 -
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It's pretty hilarious to see these GrrGoon comments, especially considering we've already established in this thread that there is a supply issue.
The current supply of minerals is not balanced, and here's why:
Before Crius
-Mineral supply was still slightly imbalanced (too many high end minerals readily available). The "missing minerals" in null were supplied via compression of modules, which is why there wasn't an issue.
After Crius
-One source of minerals was reduced by 50% (modules)
-All ore in high sec now produces fewer minerals- meaning that the supply of low end minerals was reduced (because no longer able to get "100%" refine in high sec)
-Perfect refine in nullsec now gets slightly more minerals from ore than it did pre-Crius
-Changes to compression have reduced or eliminated the possibility to fill the gap to meet demands
You can see the effect of these supply issues in the price of zyd/mega. In nullsec, we don't have the option to just "mine something else"- suggesting to mine in the static belts is completely ignorant and is only being suggested by people that have never actually lived in nullsec.
Don't worry- mineral supply will be changed here in the next few months- I've already called the hundreds of Goons that work at CCP and they're working on a fix. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
194
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:43:54 -
[130] - Quote
It's pretty hilarious to see these GrrGoon comments, especially considering we've already established in this thread that there is a supply issue.
The current supply of minerals is not balanced, and here's why:
Before Crius
-Mineral supply was still slightly imbalanced (too many high end minerals readily available). The "missing minerals" in null were supplied via compression of modules, which is why there wasn't an issue.
After Crius
-One source of minerals was reduced by 50% (modules)
-All ore in high sec now produces fewer minerals- meaning that the supply of low end minerals was reduced (because no longer able to get "100%" refine in high sec)
-Perfect refine in nullsec now gets slightly more minerals from ore than it did pre-Crius
-Changes to compression have reduced or eliminated the possibility to fill the gap to meet demands
You can see the effect of these supply issues in the price of zyd/mega. In nullsec, we don't have the option to just "mine something else"- suggesting to mine in the static belts is completely ignorant and is only being suggested by people that have never actually lived in nullsec.
Don't worry- mineral supply will be changed here in the next few months- I've already called the hundreds of Goons that work at CCP and they're working on a fix. |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1540
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:41:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:It's pretty hilarious to see these GrrGoon comments, especially considering we've already established in this thread that there is a supply issue.
The current supply of minerals is not balanced, and here's why:
Before Crius
-Mineral supply was still slightly imbalanced (too many high end minerals readily available). The "missing minerals" in null were supplied via compression of modules, which is why there wasn't an issue.
After Crius
-One source of minerals was reduced by 50% (modules)
-All ore in high sec now produces fewer minerals- meaning that the supply of low end minerals was reduced (because no longer able to get "100%" refine in high sec)
-Perfect refine in nullsec now gets slightly more minerals from ore than it did pre-Crius
-Changes to compression have reduced or eliminated the possibility to fill the gap to meet demands
You can see the effect of these supply issues in the price of zyd/mega. In nullsec, we don't have the option to just "mine something else"- suggesting to mine in the static belts is completely ignorant and is only being suggested by people that have never actually lived in nullsec.
Don't worry- mineral supply will be changed here in the next few months- I've already called the hundreds of Goons that work at CCP and they're working on a fix.
Except your post shows how delusional you are.
It's still possible to get the old 100% refine in highsec.
It's actually possible to get 104% refine in Highsec.
It's possible to get 108% refine in low sec.
It's possible to get 120% refine in Null sec.
All numbers compared to the old 100% obviously.
Hence the premium Null can pay for ores in high sec to move them. The market will & is adjusting to the change in demand.
And Null Sec DOES have the option to mine the static belts. You keep bleating it's not an option, yet when both static belts and anoms can be warped to instantly that is no longer an excuse. They are just as safe, if not even safer given most people would expect you to be in the anoms anyway.
The GrrGoons comments are laughing at you crying because you actually have to adapt for a change, rather than it being changed to perfectly suit you. You have already achieved the death of high sec industry with your refine changes, though that won't actually become evident till the mineral stockpiles in highsec die and the fact you can win any pricing war buying ore really takes hold, but it's apparently not enough for you yet. The game has to be even more perfect for your titan production.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1693
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:41:07 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:It's pretty hilarious to see these GrrGoon comments, especially considering we've already established in this thread that there is a supply issue.
The current supply of minerals is not balanced, and here's why:
Before Crius
-Mineral supply was still slightly imbalanced (too many high end minerals readily available). The "missing minerals" in null were supplied via compression of modules, which is why there wasn't an issue.
After Crius
-One source of minerals was reduced by 50% (modules)
-All ore in high sec now produces fewer minerals- meaning that the supply of low end minerals was reduced (because no longer able to get "100%" refine in high sec)
-Perfect refine in nullsec now gets slightly more minerals from ore than it did pre-Crius
-Changes to compression have reduced or eliminated the possibility to fill the gap to meet demands
You can see the effect of these supply issues in the price of zyd/mega. In nullsec, we don't have the option to just "mine something else"- suggesting to mine in the static belts is completely ignorant and is only being suggested by people that have never actually lived in nullsec.
Don't worry- mineral supply will be changed here in the next few months- I've already called the hundreds of Goons that work at CCP and they're working on a fix.
Except your post shows how delusional you are.
It's still possible to get the old 100% refine in highsec.
It's actually possible to get 104% refine in Highsec.
It's possible to get 108% refine in low sec.
It's possible to get 120% refine in Null sec.
All numbers compared to the old 100% obviously.
Hence the premium Null can pay for ores in high sec to move them. The market will & is adjusting to the change in demand.
And Null Sec DOES have the option to mine the static belts. You keep bleating it's not an option, yet when both static belts and anoms can be warped to instantly that is no longer an excuse. They are just as safe, if not even safer given most people would expect you to be in the anoms anyway.
The GrrGoons comments are laughing at you crying because you actually have to adapt for a change, rather than it being changed to perfectly suit you. You have already achieved the death of high sec industry with your refine changes, though that won't actually become evident till the mineral stockpiles in highsec die and the fact you can win any pricing war buying ore really takes hold, but it's apparently not enough for you yet. The game has to be even more perfect for your titan production.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
765
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:08:00 -
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onions2 wrote:CCP can only do so much though - they can't stop people from mining, as much as they can't stop people from ganking. The only way it'll balance out is when the players sort it out.
the issue is very specifically the existence of cyclable grav anoms and their ore composition, something they can very easily change |
Retar Aveymone
Evening Games Club
1022
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:08:54 -
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onions2 wrote:CCP can only do so much though - they can't stop people from mining, as much as they can't stop people from ganking. The only way it'll balance out is when the players sort it out.
the issue is very specifically the existence of cyclable grav anoms and their ore composition, something they can very easily change |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:44:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:angry GrrGoons comments
I suppose I should have explicitly pointed out that I'm talking about current comparative outputs, because it isn't clear that we're talking about a mineral supply imbalance.
The new "100%" is in upgraded refineries in null. Comparatively the supply of low ends has dropped as opposed to high ends. Thank you for pointing out that we're now getting 20% more high end minerals than pre-Crius, further supporting the issue here that the current mineral supply is out of balance. Also, if you think the majority of highsec miners are refining their ore at 100% post-Crius, I'd bet you're sorely mistaken.
Please stop suggesting mining in static belts. That is the Worst Idea (tm) and won't ever actually happen. Again, if you had ever bothered to actually try it, you'd understand why. All rocks present in static belts are present in anoms; except the static belt rocks pop in 1-2 cycles, and cherry picking the mex heavy rocks would net less income than doing anything else in Eve. You might as well start suggesting that ore you mine is free, that would be less ridiculous than suggesting to mine in static belts in null.
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
194
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:44:29 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:angry GrrGoons comments
I suppose I should have explicitly pointed out that I'm talking about current comparative outputs, because it isn't clear that we're talking about a mineral supply imbalance.
The new "100%" is in upgraded refineries in null. Comparatively the supply of low ends has dropped as opposed to high ends. Thank you for pointing out that we're now getting 20% more high end minerals than pre-Crius, further supporting the issue here that the current mineral supply is out of balance. Also, if you think the majority of highsec miners are refining their ore at "highsec 100%" after Crius, I'd bet you're sorely mistaken.
Please stop suggesting mining in static belts. That is the Worst Idea (tm) and won't ever actually happen. Again, if you had ever bothered to actually try it, you'd understand why. All rocks present in static belts are present in anoms; except the static belt rocks pop in 1-2 cycles, and cherry picking the mex heavy rocks would net less income than doing anything else in Eve. You might as well start suggesting that ore you mine is free, because that would be less ridiculous than suggesting to mine in static belts in null. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
767
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Posted - 2014.09.16 22:09:00 -
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maybe if everyone in 0.0 stopped doing the profit-maximizing thing and started doing something else in concert then the problem would fix itself
that sounds like a good assumption to base game balance on, now back to mining in highsec, alone |
Retar Aveymone
Evening Games Club
1022
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Posted - 2014.09.16 22:09:43 -
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maybe if everyone in 0.0 stopped doing the profit-maximizing thing and started doing something else in concert then the problem would fix itself
that sounds like a good assumption to base game balance on, now back to mining in highsec, alone |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2014.09.16 22:15:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:that sounds like a good assumption to base game balance on, now back to mining in highsec, alone
Why mine alone in highsec when nullsec belts are as good or better than highsec belts?  |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
194
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Posted - 2014.09.16 22:15:19 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:that sounds like a good assumption to base game balance on, now back to mining in highsec, alone
Why mine alone in highsec when nullsec belts are as good or better than highsec belts? |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1540
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Posted - 2014.09.17 00:30:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:
The new "100%" is in upgraded refineries in null. Comparatively the supply of low ends has dropped as opposed to high ends. Thank you for pointing out that we're now getting 20% more high end minerals than pre-Crius, further supporting the issue here that the current mineral supply is out of balance. Also, if you think the majority of highsec miners are refining their ore at "highsec 100%" after Crius, I'd bet you're sorely mistaken.
Please stop suggesting mining in static belts. That is the Worst Idea (tm) and won't ever actually happen. Again, if you had ever bothered to actually try it, you'd understand why. All rocks present in static belts are present in anoms; except the static belt rocks pop in 1-2 cycles, and cherry picking the mex heavy rocks would net less income than doing anything else in Eve. You might as well start suggesting that ore you mine is free, because that would be less ridiculous than suggesting to mine in static belts in null.
Other than the fact you are importing compressed ore now. So you are actually getting more low ends also from your imports for the same isk.
And the fact that cherry picking the static belts would not net less income, for the exact reason you are complaining. You have glutted the high end market to the point they are worth less than a lot of those 'worthless rocks' you could cherry pick from your static belts, meaning you would make more income cherry picking those static belts.
It's simple maths, you simply don't want to change how you do things. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1693
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Posted - 2014.09.17 00:30:46 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:
The new "100%" is in upgraded refineries in null. Comparatively the supply of low ends has dropped as opposed to high ends. Thank you for pointing out that we're now getting 20% more high end minerals than pre-Crius, further supporting the issue here that the current mineral supply is out of balance. Also, if you think the majority of highsec miners are refining their ore at "highsec 100%" after Crius, I'd bet you're sorely mistaken.
Please stop suggesting mining in static belts. That is the Worst Idea (tm) and won't ever actually happen. Again, if you had ever bothered to actually try it, you'd understand why. All rocks present in static belts are present in anoms; except the static belt rocks pop in 1-2 cycles, and cherry picking the mex heavy rocks would net less income than doing anything else in Eve. You might as well start suggesting that ore you mine is free, because that would be less ridiculous than suggesting to mine in static belts in null.
Other than the fact you are importing compressed ore now. So you are actually getting more low ends also from your imports for the same isk.
And the fact that cherry picking the static belts would not net less income, for the exact reason you are complaining. You have glutted the high end market to the point they are worth less than a lot of those 'worthless rocks' you could cherry pick from your static belts, meaning you would make more income cherry picking those static belts.
It's simple maths, you simply don't want to change how you do things. |
Electrified Circuits
Lynx Inc
Northern Associates.
19
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Posted - 2014.09.17 03:39:00 -
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The point i was trying to make which i think you are all going way off the mark on is that we are talking about mining in a null security space where you are very vulnerable to attack.
There are systems and ores in place to pay this venture well for good reason and it isn't working currently so its not going as planned is it now? get it into the brain boys |
Electrified Circuits
Lynx Inc
Northern Associates.
20
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Posted - 2014.09.17 03:39:01 -
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The point i was trying to make which i think you are all going way off the mark on is that we are talking about mining in a null security space where you are very vulnerable to attack.
There are systems and ores in place to pay this venture well for good reason and it isn't working currently so its not going as planned is it now? get it into the brain boys |
ElSuerte Diego
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.09.17 04:43:00 -
[145] - Quote
There is lots of mexallon and below in low sec... Might be a better idea to figure out a way CCP and players can make mining viable in low sec rather then mess with roid composition again. |
ElSuerte Diego
Los Perros Hermanos
9
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Posted - 2014.09.17 04:43:51 -
[146] - Quote
There is lots of mexallon and below in low sec... Might be a better idea to figure out a way CCP and players can make mining viable in low sec rather then mess with roid composition again. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1540
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Posted - 2014.09.17 05:45:00 -
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Electrified Circuits wrote:The point i was trying to make which i think you are all going way off the mark on is that we are talking about mining in a null security space where you are very vulnerable to attack.
There are systems and ores in place to pay this venture well for good reason and it isn't working currently so its not going as planned is it now? get it into the brain boys
So you are vulnerable to attack so can't mine yet have mined so many high ends the market has crashed...
Sorry. Not buying it. Especially with the other posts in the thread.
This is not a game design issue. This is null sec being unable to adapt and not having made most industrialists welcome in null. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1693
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Posted - 2014.09.17 05:45:13 -
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Electrified Circuits wrote:The point i was trying to make which i think you are all going way off the mark on is that we are talking about mining in a null security space where you are very vulnerable to attack.
There are systems and ores in place to pay this venture well for good reason and it isn't working currently so its not going as planned is it now? get it into the brain boys
So you are vulnerable to attack so can't mine yet have mined so many high ends the market has crashed...
Sorry. Not buying it. Especially with the other posts in the thread.
This is not a game design issue. This is null sec being unable to adapt and not having made most industrialists welcome in null. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2014.09.17 15:15:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:And the fact that cherry picking the static belts would not net less income
Please continue to tell us about mining in null belts, where you have literally zero experience and are completely incorrect.
Cherry picking rocks that expire in one or two cycles leads to spending considerable more time moving and re positioning than actually mining. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
194
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Posted - 2014.09.17 15:15:04 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:And the fact that cherry picking the static belts would not net less income
Please continue to tell us about mining in null belts, where you have literally zero experience and are completely incorrect.
Cherry picking rocks that expire in one or two cycles leads to spending considerable more time moving and re positioning than actually mining. |
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