GUNS will not stop the ganking. Why people even think of guns? Even if you were in a fully armed cruiser. Youwould not kill the gankers before concord arrives.

You need to be SMART, MOVE safely, use scouts. Just that.

Were talking about the miner using it as protection against gankers. Try to keep up.

If you do something for reasons other than profit, you're a sociopath.

I think you mean "Previously fitting-less freighters which get bumped away from gates and sentry guns by previously inconspicuous 100mn MWD plated macharials without ever getting aggression until you get alpha'd"

If people don't bother fitting tank, and AFK their cargo, I'm fine with them dying. What pisses me off is how you can still do everything right and you'll still die, because game mechanics are against you.

I felt free to sum up your post ...
... which makes it applicable to both ingame- and actual reality.

Because he paid a price for that privilege. I was thinking of some 500 million ISK per shot. Maybe less, maybe more. That could be debated.

But, to your question: Why should someone lose his ship just because he's been outnumbered? Specially since he can be outnumbered by someone whose only effort was to buy ISBoxer and pay several accounts to CCP, which is very literally a way to pay for win.

If he can press the button before being dead, then he was not semi-afk nor lacked situational awareness... and if the fleet can't kill a guy semi-afk and no idea of what's going on before he can hit the button, well... how's that the guy's fault?

But i will reverse your special case question: why should someone die after tanking to 100% of his ship capability, stay 100% aware and YET be outnumbered by a guy with a ISBOxer?

If you want to catch litle jimmy, wardec him first.

That will render the button useless as you will not get a criminal flag for attacking him. And who knows -maybe at 500 million a pop, neutral jimmy just may prefer to lose his ship and let CONCORD deal with you for free, authomatically and completely fail-safely.

Why are we still discusion this tropic

Wow guys. Not only did you all take the bait, you also gulped down the line, the fishing pole, and half of the boat.

This is a perfect example of trolling at it's finest. Good job Indahmawar Fazmarai. 12/10.

Why? The only difference with CONCORD is that the victim may actually survive the first attack. A second fleet still can alpha him right under the noses of CONCORD.

And then, back to where this whole discussion started:

Complete and unavoidable waste of your effort caused by the action of the adversary should be a possibility both for agressors and defenders. So far, only the defenders take that chance. As I said above, that's OK with CCP and they will not do anything to change the game, so you all can rest assured that I am just wasting my time and effort.

What penalty? a sec status hit? meaningless. losing a cheap throw away ship? meaningless. getting a kill right on a ganker character? meaningless. someone stacking bounty on you? meaningless.

being a ganker makes all of those a moot point, because it only takes one fat juicy target worth 2 bil to make any amount of all of those worthwhile.

^ problem with that, they don't just bring one mach.

so you want me to pre-spawn concord in every system along a whole corridor where i'm going to be travelling with a freighter? that's your answer? you expect us to possibly break the EULA and get banned for littering the servers to mitigate your activities? and then you talk about risk versus reward with the next breath. you're amusing, guy. :]

do it where the machs are, they move. do it where they move, they move again. the net effect is a whole corridor of spawned concord and ccp getting miffed about server resources. of course if that's how they want us to respond because they won't act on it any other way, we can do that.

that might work if they hadn't shown a willingness to throw more than 2 dozen ships at targets at a time. the question is is that really what we want eve to evolve into? every freighter needing logi escorts to trump waves of gankers? is that the image you want new players to see around them daily? retention rates would be abysmal, even compared to how horrific they already are.

because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice?

when eve has 30,000 people online? yes. yes it does.

Good. So everything is pretty much as it should be then.

Why would any of that happen?
you don't understand how supply and demand works, obviously. so here i'll explain it. when it takes more effort for people to start transporting stuff, less people will. when less people do, less stuff is available. when less stuff is available, the price goes up, because there aren't less people wanting it. if you want to force people to bring support fleets to make the economy work that's fine and dandy, just don't ***** about paying the price for your own mess later.

the next time PLEXes go up another 100million, factor in the cost associated with ganking making that happen. merchants aren't going to eat the cost of that freighter you just sank, they're going to pass it along to you the consumer.

you're costing someone else 700million at a cost to yourself of 10million. are you really not that bright or simply a troll?

PLEX are the yardstick of the eve economy. when ganking takes a toll it's price will shift.

you might want to compare it's prices with incidences of burn jita events and rethink your stance.

Hi, I'm a Provi-resident.

I like to mine. I mine with friends. We mine together. I discovered that mining in high-sec is kind of dangerous, though.

This morning, I was mining with friends in Providence. I moved there a few years back.

While I was reading this article, an aggressive pilot was reported in a Brutix one system over. We continued to mine.

The Brutix jumped into our system. We continued to mine.

The Brutix warped to me and my miner-friends, and he webbed and scrammed me--so I webbed and scrammed him back, and all three of us deployed our drones against him, and two stealth bombers decloaked and started nailing him with torpedoes.

And then we continued to mine.

The moral of this story?

If you can't do what you're doing where you are, go somewhere where you can do what you want to do.

No one is forcing you to live up in high-sec. If high-sec is untenable, move somewhere else.

And demanding the game cater to your expectations is silly, especially, when it is no mystery that EVE is a very mean and unforgiving game.

Equipping guns is silly, for sure. So tank your ship, or fly a tankier ship. DSTs--not just for deep space anymore.

In other news, looking for more miners. :)

biggest troll yet. seriously; why you guys bothering replying to someone who must be trolling. surely noone is this delirious he actually believes this crap?

Because being there, and actively doing something about "the bad guys" means that they have to put in ~effort~.

Isn't this thread ripe for closing?

I mean, for the last 30 pages this whole discussion is circling around OP insisting that bumping to prevent a victim from warping for an extended period of time is a crime, while in reality it isn't. Any attempts to make that clear to him are by now being responded to with expressions like "delusioned" or "insane".

I mean, this can go on forever, but the fact are bumping is not illegal, does not prevent you from warping, and CONCORD is not a police force, and this guy wont accept it for the next 200 pages.

So, what's the point in continuing?