So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?

I thought they were a feature pushed by CCP not something pulled by the player base.

So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.

So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?

So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.

So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?

So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

Who says they failed? Who said they were for getting people into PVP?

So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.

So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?

To be clear, these missions are definitely not intended to teach players how to PVP (although I can completely understand why people might hope that they would be).

Even attempting that would require a completely new AI. Optional missions that teach PVP skills are a good long-term goal, but these are designed to be challenging changes of pace from the traditional level 4 mission experience.
They do expose players to thinking about fittings and tactics in ways that other missions don't encourage, and hopefully by either solving these puzzles themselves or by reading about how others have solved them they will improve their understandings of EVE mechanics and how module fittings can be used creatively to reach specific goals.

We expect that these missions will provide a fun and engaging bit of variety to the lives of mission runners in EVE, and that they will allow players to make use of some ships and tactics that otherwise wouldnGÇÖt be part of their everyday EVE experience.

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I thought they were a feature pushed by CCP not something pulled by the player base.

So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.

So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?

A PVP experience included in a PVe one. I hope this kind of mission pave the way of the future of Pve in Eve with more dynamic content that you can't predict by browsing a website.

When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?

When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?

Have you looked at the incursion community recently?

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When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?

Same as always: All the things, with little :effort:

When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?

When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?

they might want to stop doing things like station games.

they might want to stop doing things like gateganking noobs in industrials.

they might want to stop doing things like hotdropping 2 guys with 20 ships.

Who says they failed? You do, 2 days in? A few forum trolls? Lol.

Fact is, they are an interesting addition to high sec, and for that I applaud CCP. They are difficult to fight solo, but easy with a friend. And THAT is their primary function - not to get people to do PvP - but to get them to team up and cooperate.

And CCP should do more of these 'co-operative' missions/quests. Many more.

Running lvl4s in a battleship......dogfights in a frigate.

I can see how the latter would appeal to the former.

You might be surprised. I did the whole lvl 4's in a battleship thing for ages... then I got bored and decided to see what I could pull off in a frigate as far as missions went. Level 3's in an assault frigate can be an absolute blast.
Sometimes a little variety can breathe some fresh life into something that's becoming stale and boring.

You might be surprised. I did the whole lvl 4's in a battleship thing for ages... then I got bored and decided to see what I could pull off in a frigate as far as missions went. Level 3's in an assault frigate can be an absolute blast.
Sometimes a little variety can breathe some fresh life into something that's becoming stale and boring.

Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.

So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.

Most of the mad & butthurt posts seem to be from other people crying about people discussing burners.

So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?

Says he, complaining about people complaining about whingy, unpleasable spoiled children who are complaining that the new stuff isn't to their taste and should be removed.

While I can not say that you're wrong ...
... I can tell you my own observation.


You're a coward hiding behind a faceless npc alt.

I mistake observation for complaint.

1) Stop ad-hom attacks.
2) This character existed before petty judging and name-calling was a "thing", so suck it up princess.
3) Keep on topic.

but they might lose the fight if they stopped doing that.




but it's the only "fight" they know they can win.




but they might lose the fight if they stopped doing that.

1) Stop ad-hom attacks.
2) This character existed before petty judging and name-calling was a "thing", so suck it up princess.
3) Keep on topic.

To topic, I had hoped (later confirmed as not happening in test server feedback) that they would be neat little missions requiring a point and a basic PvP style for to complete. Not that hard, not that rewarding but a different change of pace and done in something not worthless in a PvP engagement to start bridging the gap.

So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

The problem was your assumption. I don't see how someone can make an assumption from facts not in evidence then be disappointed when the thing (that no one ever promised) doesn't happen lol.

CCP said in the missions and complexes forums over and over again over the last 2 years that they are making new tools to eventually bring about the kind of new PVE they and we want, but that they aren't there yet. They told us from day one when they announced these Burner missions that there was only so much that could happen.

It's not their fault is people get their hopes up for no reason.

Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.

Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.

Big isk payouts for no effort.

So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.

So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?

Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.

If Burner missions were designed to encourage PvP yep, they failed. Ewar infested cheats and blanket tanks 90% while still having top dps and top speed. Burner frigates don't exist anywhere in EVE except in Burner missions.

As for people saying 'no effort', it takes over an hour to solo Serpentis Extravaganza 4, solo in a Navy Thron. Room 1 is all balster range, room two is all blaster range, room three switches out to 40 km rails range. You might need to do that how many times before a burner mission shows up? How much effort is enough effort? Oh that's right, we aren't all null bears in the blue donut so it doesn't count.

What was I expecting? Another bait and switch from CCP. Working as intended.

Having found one now I have to ask..


Whats the problem? Its a L4 you do in a frigate, end of.

People lack good frig skills, understanding of the importance of super webs, and in general the idea that you cant omnitank and even with the tried and proper fit, could still die to random chance and smashing into an lco

So basically just the how dare something be made that is borderline Kaizo trap !! Its not Kaizo as there are more than one fit for each and friends make it so you can easily win

I want to see a stream of a bunch of people killing one in rookie frigs just as a point

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So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.

So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?

Burner missions feel somewhat like a tech demo for a possible new NPC AI and design philosophy. Then again I may be overly optimistic.

ITT: people who are mad about people who are mad about burner missions.

such mad

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