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Namasta
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.02 10:11:00 -
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Gevlin wrote:
Diablo 3: in fact Diablo III is going to come out with a integrated RMT model. Which blizzard is able to receive a % from each transaction a play makes to another player. What would you say if Eve turned free to play and the game was funded purely by RMT though the NEX where if you wanted to make Real money off the loot you get from your complex can be sold on NEX and you get GÇ£PaidGÇ¥to play eve vs paying a subscription? Will put the Pirate RMT guys out of business.
Make a market where items will be selling by players for RM and CPP will have % from it is good idea better then microtransactions.
But IGÇÖm afraid something like this http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/847-Jumpgate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:10:00 -
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Aph3xus wrote:SuperSpy00bob wrote: CCP has made it's success by being unique in the industry, not by copying other companies. This. I am scared to death by CCP constantly bringing up micro-transactions. CCP used to pride itself on making a smart game that stood out. Yet every time I turn around they want to do what works for cookie cutter mmo's that don't hang around for more than a couple years. I know this thread isn't meant for CCP directly but could you guys on the CSM try extremely hard to drive home the fact that EVE is inherently not your run of the mill MMO, and thus strategies meant for run of the mill MMO's will probably not work for their product? I feel like this was something they understood at some point. More on topic: Vanity only. Preferably none at all.
Don't let up on this. "vanity" itself is a very dodgy and entirely subjective concept. One man's vanity is another man's content and once you start imposing artificial dividers between grades of content you open a pandoras box that ruins the integrity of the sandbox. We pay a sub, we get eve online. Thats about as complicated as it needs to get. Screw NeX and microtransactions and the horse they rode in on to be honest!
And the people in this thread still arguing that CCP need extra income do need to realize that things have changed in a pretty serious way this year.
Let me explain.
CCP Games is a successful Professional father. He manages to pay the bills, and invest in the future of his only daughter "Eve". Eve is bright and original, lovely to talk to and manages to impress everyone as she's growing up.
Then a few years ago CCP Games met a mascara-wearing floozy with fake breasts and a penchant for dressing up her twin Chihuahua muts in mink waistcoats. The name of the floozy was "World of Darkness" and almost immediately she started spending CCP's money. Hard working successful CCP soon found itself pressed for cash as World of Darkness wined and dined a succession of long-haired poetic emo types and slept late after drinking all his wine.
Then even worse! World of Darkness brought her unlovable adolescent son (from her first failed marrage) Dust 514 into the house. Playing loud industrial house music and snorting crystal meth at all hours of the night Dust repeatedly broke all the furniture and invited thieves and pimps to squat on the living room floor and set up their MT/NEX rackets in the front garden.
Between them World and Darkness and Dust came close to bankrupting poor old CCP Dad while the goth harlot tapped his bank account for investments into the experimental "work" of internationally-reknowned fashion artistes "monocle and $1000 jeans" the horrible teenage son was trying to corrupt poor little Eve into turning MT tricks on the street corner for small change to fund his meth habit.
Those players who believe encouraging this situation is the right approach (by finding excuses for MT) are simply abusing poor Eve and betraying the hard working professional dad.
What happened in the autumn is that some of CCP Dad's friends (the good player base) came round and talked things over. CCP woke up and threw World of Darkness out on her skanky backside and hurled her suitcases out on the street. Dust 514 promised to clean up his act and is now on best behavior and Eve can finally come out of her room again without being paraded in cheap tarty underwear for the MT meth addicts to ogle at.
So.
The morale of this story is that the biggest challenge to CCP "Dad's" income was resolved when the slutty-sleeparound World of Darkness got booted out on the street. There is no long a need to have Eve turn MT tricks to pay the rent. Sure Dust 514 is still living with us but he turns 16 next summer and will then need to get his own job and place and sink and swim on his own.
The end.
(we don't need microtransactions in Eve.)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.12.03 15:12:00 -
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What CCP needs to be doing is attacting new subscribers so that they have more money coming in from their subscription-based economic model. Fortunately this new expansion seems to be working in this regard, but we need to go further - get rid of the NeX entirely.
Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Hailey Sunweaver
MAFIA PLAYGROUND
UNI0N.
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:31:00 -
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I think CCP needs to seriously rethink "microtransactions" . Vanity items would be fine as would some WiS items if that ever comes to be. But the pricing needs to be retooled completely 65 bucks for a fancy pixel eye patch is insane. But we shouldn't have to keep repeating this topic over and over the actions of this past summer should speak for it's self |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:43:00 -
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Hailey Sunweaver wrote:I think CCP needs to seriously rethink "microtransactions" .
No, the EVE community has to rethink "virtual items". There are already micro transactions in EVE: convert PLEX to ISK, spend tiny amounts of real money through ISK as a proxy (e.g.: for a pile of Imperial Navy Multifrequency L crystals). The NeX is a luxury virtual goods store: nothing "micro" about those transactions at all.
Other markets have shown that halving the cost of an item approximately doubles the sales. There is no advantage to having low-value items (i.e.: traditional "micro transaction item stores"). People who want the items will find the money to buy them, regardless of cost. This is what CCP Zulu was on about with his "$1000 designer jeans" statement: for the insanely rich, price is not a consideration. For the record, there are also $100k designer jeans out there, along with Gé¼42B luxury sports cruisers made of gold.
When it comes to convenience items (or "concierge" items, as per Fearless), I am of two minds: on one hand, they are a vile, foul addition to the game that will inevitably lead to the corruption of CCP by simple greed. On the other hand they are a useful tool to allow free-to-play (i.e.: unlimited length trials) without overly impacting the rest of the game. Having more people online will lead to more people being online: that is, the more people any one player can interact with, the less likely they will be to simply log out and go play some other more interesting game. If you don't think that simply having more people online at any one time is a worthwhile goal, go talk to US players in California, or Australian/New Zealand/SE Asian players in general.
Hopefully CCP gains some useful insights from the 60 day trial experiment (which is really just an extension of the 51 day trial experiment they've already been performing). What impact will free-to-play accounts have on the rest of the game, assuming there are sufficient barriers in place to make subscribing attractive?
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Intar Medris
REDBIRD Industrial Crew
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Posted - 2011.12.14 06:20:00 -
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Absolutely no MTs. Eliminate Nex and Aurum and allow these items to be produced by players. this Summer and the exodus that occurred should have sent that message. CCP can't keep ignoring the player base if they want EVE and Dust to succeed. |
Malcorath Sacerdos
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:38:00 -
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Microtransitions ..
NO^n
where n -> infinity |
Rixiu
North Star Networks
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:23:00 -
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**** no to microtransactions. Lots of people despise them as the devil (including myself) and I have a feeling that a lot of eve-players feel the same way. This is a sandbox MMO not world of tanks, if I had wanted microtransactions I would play another game. The player economy is what's awesome with eve and CCP should focus on making it more awesome instead of trying to compete with world of tanks and similar.
Implement painjobs and such not as RMT but as more gameplay for the sandbox! More content = better sandbox = more players! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.14 14:28:00 -
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I do hope the CSM brought CCP's attention to this thread during the recent summit. I look forward to some specific notes on the issue in the upcoming minutes.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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