sry could u explain?

well u dont HAVE to use a marauder for level 4's do you? really?

they are mostly done in t1 bs afaik. that makes the reward for burner missions look a little silly considering the cost of ur frig.

dont u need webs at 16km for some of them?

well u dont HAVE to use a marauder for level 4's do you? really?

they are mostly done in t1 bs afaik. that makes the reward for burner missions look a little silly considering the cost of ur frig.

You dont HAVE to run a pimped out ship for burners EITHER.

We just like to do things quickly 'round these parts.

I find it funny that these burner missions were supposed to be 1v1 missions against an NPC and yet the NPC can neut you out, can scram you and everything under the sun but you can't do that back is a real problem. NPC can scram me and turn off my MWD but not the other way around? enemy can neut me out but I can't neut them out? Come on CCP, its wildly unfair.

I'm just pretending this did not happen. Got my crap pushed back in by a bloodraider burner last night. Me in wolf and two alts in T1 suicide frigs.

Back to EFT ;)

BTW the rewards have scaled a bit. They are no longer as ridiculously low as in day 1. Still, according to devpost the pilot loss rate is still significant. On day 1 for every burner killed podpilots lost a bit over 7 ships. On day 2 the ratio was already 6 losses per each burner killed.

I think they are fine. It's still just a PvE content but its a challenging PvE content.

Unfair mary-sue type NPC content is not "challenging" its really a good example of artificial difficulty by making enemies have extremely high thresholds for everything they can do AND have EWAR immunity

Stop saying that they have complete EWAR immunity. You're doing that all over the forum.

ECM works just fine. Griffin with five racials should buy enough time for your friend to finish him EASILY off.

as the title says.

ive not gotten a burner mission yet but from reading the forums i can see that the bounty for the rat is 5mill isk. this is pitons compared to what some poeple are spending on ships to kill the burner.

Its also not far above the value for bs rats in nullsec belts but its a much much harder ship kill.

also the named rats in nullsec drop faction loot ant a higher rate and more of it (so i hear) and they are pitifully easy to destroy.

doesnt make sense. doesnt seem balanced.

greater risk should = greater rewards.

pls discuss

Your a "spechul" snow flake aren't you?!

The rewards are decent for HIGHSEC. You said you do 20mil for Worlds Collide, right? May i ask, how much time does it take you to run a Worlds Collide mission? Now think how much time it takes to kill a burner ratt. Get the point? If not.. maybe you should try out mining.

please show me where i said it should be buffed to levels comparable to nullsec. They dont have to drop faction loot all the time. The rewards just ned to be a bit more enticing for people to bother doing them. otherwise most peope will just skip it and it will become useless content.

the rats in nullsec (bar officer spawns) are incredibly easy and always drop faction loot the rat in the burner mission is difficult (at least so im told) and only has a small chance to drop faction loot. Also many nullsec systems are safe for pve activities. I believe providence was for one. last time i was there i was running anomalies in a marauder with a bastion module.
The alliance i was with didnt even shoot neutrals without good reason.

The bounty for the burner should at least be worthwhile considering its difficulty.

Comparing it to other hi sec missions then. missions like lvl4 WC or a extravaganza when killing all rats gets you something like 20 mill isk in bounties iirc.

The burner rat is apparently considerably harder than any of these missions, therefore the reward should justify that.

your right about the bottom line though. Im not too bothered about doing a burner mission with the rewards in thier current state.

You mean you want even more rewards for a 2 mins mission? lolwutt?

What? WC is ~40-45mil with + occasional faction spawn. GE / AE is around 25-30 mil. 20 mins tops. I've done all of the new burner missions so far with 100% success rate getting between 9-10k LP each for 2 minutes of work in a daredevil. Also, it is not guaranteed that you get any decent faction loot from faction spawns. You will get faction ammo and a chance at some other drop.

I don't think you are thinking about the whole picture to be honest. Yes you have to take a few minutes to look at a forum post and see what kits work. Yes you have to assemble a frig and run the mission, a mission which you can decline without taking a standings hit. The rewards, for me at least, are ~5 mil isk and nearly 10k LP and a chance at faction loot for 2 minutes of work once I built the ship, which took all of about 4 minutes to do with a T-2 kit and a faction web. Stop crying.