WarDecs cost 50 mil ISK + (number of people in a corp over 50 x 1 mil ISK)

To have 100 active WarDecs you will have to shell out a minimum of 2.5 BILLION ISK to wage war. To WarDec 600 corps would cost a minimum of 30 BILLION ISK.

And the costs double for each week a WarDec is active. Or if the corp has 100+ members in it.


The only loophole to this is joining someone else's war as an ally.

I fail to see any problem with all this. If they want to be at war with pretty much everyone in an area, start talking to the others he/she WarDeced and organize a defense. Or... here's a novel idea... shoot the person(s).

I remember my first WarDec. I died miserably a few times and then found my stride. Twas exciting. Especially when all of us newbies decided that we didn't like being camped in and that we would fight even if we died.

I fail to see any problem with all this. If they want to be at war with pretty much everyone in an area, start talking to the others he/she WarDeced and organize a defense. Or... here's a novel idea... shoot the person(s).
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The problem with this is that the corps that run crazy numbers of wars are not interested in actually fighting, they just want to pad their kill boards and earn isk from looting kills. When you try to fight back against guys like this, they just play gate games and station games to frustrate you, and to get laughs from it.

I'm all for fighting back against an attacking corp, but when it comes to gate-camping gankers, it's more frustrating than fun. Perhaps if there was actually an objective in a HS war... maybe some kind of deployable structure that you would have to anchor to declare war, something to give the attacked corp a target, rather than just ship-to-ship. Just a wild thought...

You know, anything like this would be a MASSIVE buff to nullsec, especially with regards to logistics.

Still think it's a good idea?

The problem with this is that the corps that run crazy numbers of wars are not interested in actually fighting, they just want to pad their kill boards and earn isk from looting kills. When you try to fight back against guys like this, they just play gate games and station games to frustrate you, and to get laughs from it.

I'm all for fighting back against an attacking corp, but when it comes to gate-camping gankers, it's more frustrating than fun. Perhaps if there was actually an objective in a HS war... maybe some kind of deployable structure that you would have to anchor to declare war, something to give the attacked corp a target, rather than just ship-to-ship. Just a wild thought...

so they are using war decs to make money? thats a problem?
if u try to fight them and they run away, arent u making them lose money?

Not sure how this is a buff to Nul. Nul sec corps do not need the war dec mechanic to fight each other, and they already have structures to grind against to capture SOV.

It just goes back to what the previous posters have said: There is no incentive for corps to fight back during an unprovoked war. If they don't have a reason to fight back, an industrial corp will just avoid the conflict altogether. Fun fights are at least some incentive to fight back, and these war-dec corps do all they can to avoid fair fights. I can't begrudge them creating content and generating isk for their members, but for the other side the war is just an annoyance.

Nul sec corps still trade in high-sec, which they accomplish through alts. If you needed to anchor a structure to war dec an alliance, it would be nothing for the people who organized Burn Jita to come down and crush your war before it even began, and then they wouldn't need to use alts to trade in high.

but the idea doesnt have to be a structure bash. it can be any territorial mechanic, like FW plexes and the ilk.

Not sure how this is a buff to Nul. Nul sec corps do not need the war dec mechanic to fight each other, and they already have structures to grind against to capture SOV. I was just thinking along the lines of giving the attacking corp something they have to defend, to make wars more about defending something, rather than pay fees just for Concord to not bother them.

Any territorial mechanic that's required to flip a switch to instigate a war dec succumbs to Malcanis's law, and war decs do not need to be changed to suit veteran players. Furthermore, corporations that are organized enough to combat a war dec using these tools are already organized enough to avoid war decs or render them moot. This makes the mechanic pointless, as it doesn't solve anything: war decs remain pointless except for the purposes of not-griefing and killboard padding.

Several things from Veers Belvar.



"Why not just drop and re-form the corp? Then go on to brag about your 30-1 economic victory."
First there is -- oh never mind you would not understand that one. But then there is --- oh never mind you probably would not understand that one either. But then there is -- oh never mind I know for a fact that you would not understand that one. In fact it is unlikely that you would understand any of the dozens of reasons I could post so I will not waste the space, all I will say is this. Based on your demonstrated attitude here in this topic there is no way for anyone to explain it to you in a manor that you could understand.

Comments like this do not help your argument and only server to make you look like a whiny care bear rather then someone looking to improve the game. If you have support to back up your claims them use it don't omit it

Several things from Veers Belvar.

"I don't see any reason for highsec corps unable to defend themselves to exist."
So a group of friends that pay there monthly fees want to band together to share the benefits of a POS for their industrial activities does not deserve to form a corp simply because they cannot or will not fight when WD? How sad and how narrow a view of this game and yet it is so typical of the attitude present in every high sec WD player I have ever dealt with.

"Why not just drop and re-form the corp? Then go on to brag about your 30-1 economic victory."
First there is -- oh never mind you would not understand that one. But then there is --- oh never mind you probably would not understand that one either. But then there is -- oh never mind I know for a fact that you would not understand that one. In fact it is unlikely that you would understand any of the dozens of reasons I could post so I will not waste the space, all I will say is this. Based on your demonstrated attitude here in this topic there is no way for anyone to explain it to you in a manor that you could understand.

Moving back to more general comments.

Why not band together and fight is one cry we often hear and it has been posted here many times.
Well for one it is rare that a small corp of high sec industrial players has the skills trained or the knowledge of ship fitting to even try a PvP engagement. See I know this hard to understand but there are players that like to spend time training the skills needed to be successful in their industrial endeavors, not waste it on something they have no desire to do.

No one here has been able to answer this but I wil try again.
Why is it so hard for PvP players to understand that many in this game dislike, some even despise the whole PvP scene and they want no part of it?
It is common for players in the industrial side of the game to at least try and understand the PvP players and what it is they find so enjoyable about that activity. Yet when you talk to the PvP side of the player base it is rare to find one that even has a clue about how, what and why the industrial players find interesting about this game and even fewer that understand why others would not want to participate in PvP activities. A lot of the time the attitude of PvP players seems to be PvP or get the hell out of the game and I for one cannot understand this.

Why not band together and fight is one cry we often hear and it has been posted here many times.
Well for one it is rare that a small corp of high sec industrial players has the skills trained or the knowledge of ship fitting to even try a PvP engagement. See I know this hard to understand but there are players that like to spend time training the skills needed to be successful in their industrial endeavors, not waste it on something they have no desire to do.

Why is it so hard for PvP players to understand that many in this game dislike, some even despise the whole PvP scene and they want no part of it?
It is common for players in the industrial side of the game to at least try and understand the PvP players and what it is they find so enjoyable about that activity.

when you talk to the PvP side of the player base it is rare to find one that even has a clue about how, what and why the industrial players find interesting about this game and even fewer that understand why others would not want to participate in PvP activities.

A lot of the time the attitude of PvP players seems to be PvP or get the hell out of the game and I for one cannot understand this.

Why is it so hard for PvP players to understand that many in this game dislike, some even despise the whole PvP scene and they want no part of it?

so they are using war decs to make money? thats a problem?
if u try to fight them and they run away, arent u making them lose money?

war decs shouldnt be limited. if u can foot the bill then just let the sand box roll. If all those hundreds of corps cant get together and work with each other then it sounds like they should go under anyways.

Why not just drop and re-form the corp? Then go on to brag about your 30-1 economic victory

Sad nobody commented further on the skill based suggestion and rather focused on an anchorable structure, welll, at least it didn't gate flame, should be happy about that I guess.

[quote=Daichi Yamato]

Wardeccing anyone regardless of age or profit, just because, hey, 'numbers' or 'rich' or 'don't care' is bad in itself for the game as pointed out. and further more, when you get wardecced full time, by WD cycling and such, why have Highsec in the first place ?

I personally don't care at a certain age (game, SP and ISK wise) if I get wardecced or not, but what bothers me are the 'can't be arsed' WD on everyone younger, where poeple try get a grip on the game and on finances and on everything and are undecided if they should stay, what to do and are still learning. I don't know how many recruits I (and therefore the game) lost in our training corp due to "shitdeck wars".

Still no reason to think about limits ?

Cheers