Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO

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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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I really don't know why you're all complaining about bottlenecks. I go in and out of 0.0 regions at will with little or no problem at all.

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Why not give the option though to bypass that with some effort? People would have to spend time looking for alternative ways in and then when they found it they would have their way in. I know alot of guys that go in and out of 0.0 but the fact of the matter is that the only way you are going to get some new players in there is to offer alternative methods to "getting lucky" with the local gate camp.

I don't understand why you want to limit EVE to gates and warping, why not some more interaction with the universe? Things should be a little more dynamic and not so static. Its a changing universe, lets make it feel that way.

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Originally by: El Berto

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...aparently being European makes me the spawn of Cthulhu.

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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

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ecm dominates alot of the 0.0 fights,
could need a change too.

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Originally by: spurious signal

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Originally by: Lord Azraiel

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Change your overview settings so it doesnt show gang members.....

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Yeah and how am I supposed to remote-repair or sensor-boost gang members without locking them eh? EVE is the only game I know where the "healer" is only accidental key-press away from instant death at the hands of NPC police all the time.

And a right back at ya for not thinking before posting

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Originally by: Gaia's Wrath

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Here's my 5 cents, keep the change.

1)WCS are annoying but should come a fitting cost. If your gonna run then ran and keep running.

2)Limited areas of combat in 0.0, lets face it combat is based at gates or stations.

3)Log-on/Lag traps. Truly sad...

4)POS Spamming. The hit anchor and forget planting of POSs. This is just getting stupid.



Possible Fixes.

1)WCS gives you a sig radius, cap amount, cap recharge rate, armour, shield, structure and ship mass penalties. Penalties should be stackable at a very high percentage. With bounses to warp cap cost, warp drive operation and other warp related attributes. If you are gonna run then keep running.

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Originally by: spurious signal

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Originally by: Lord Azraiel

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Change your overview settings so it doesnt show gang members.....

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Yeah and how am I supposed to remote-repair or sensor-boost gang members without locking them eh? EVE is the only game I know where the "healer" is only accidental key-press away from instant death at the hands of NPC police all the time.

And a right back at ya for not thinking before posting

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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO

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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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I really don't know why you're all complaining about bottlenecks. I go in and out of 0.0 regions at will with little or no problem at all.

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Why not give the option though to bypass that with some effort? People would have to spend time looking for alternative ways in and then when they found it they would have their way in. I know alot of guys that go in and out of 0.0 but the fact of the matter is that the only way you are going to get some new players in there is to offer alternative methods to "getting lucky" with the local gate camp.

I don't understand why you want to limit EVE to gates and warping, why not some more interaction with the universe? Things should be a little more dynamic and not so static. Its a changing universe, lets make it feel that way.

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It's all well and good to say that but i've yet to hear an idea that would really work.

All that more entry point's does is reduce the chance you'll have to interact with anyone as you go into 0.0. I would like more "Interaction with the universe" but not by sacrificing gameplay.

It's not luck getting past a gatecamp, they're reletively easy to get through. The only problem is taking in larger ships, and to be perfectly honest you should always take enough support to protect them anyway.

If not gates and warping, how else do you move through space while still forcing players to interact with each other? If 0.0 was one big open arena where everything is connected it would be possible to completely avoid each other, and the majority of Eve would.

The ability to destroy gates, while it 'should be possible' isn't a very good idea game wise. Whats stopping any major alliance just cutting off their entire region? The only way in is jumpdrives? There is absolutly no possibility that any alliance could grab a foothold in enemy territory unless they have a substantially bigger capships fleet to defend against a home Battleship fleet.

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Originally by: Stella Centauri

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As for people wanting sentryguns... what the hell?!
Do you have any idea on how much this would kill 0.0? Sure you may be able to mine in peace and all... but how fun would a game be without an adrenaline-rush now and then?
As for people that like to go to 0.0 to hunt npc's, that would remove all the fun for them in 0.0 and probably make alot of people (me included) stop playing.
That is just stupid.

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Originally by: Infinity Ziona

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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 28/07/2006 03:22:24

Originally by: Iianko

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Originally by: Andreask14

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The biggest problem of 0.0 is that there are no markts and trade hubs.

The reason for this are the dangerous environment for carebears and the limited supply of ressources/goods found at the trade hubs.

This relates to the non-existant/un-safe infrastructure, and the thereby generated lack of customers.

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QFT.

The #1 reason why the 0.0 market is dead, is because Billy Bob and Jenny Jane unaffiliated industrialist will get blown up before making it past the chokepoints, and they know it. The only way to survive and be even remotely as productive as empire industrialists, is to have scads of bookmarks and near constant friendly battleship cover.

0.0 is kind of like living in the Wild West. Except that everyone, including the friendly bartender, is packing a shotgun and trying to kill you.

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This is because CCP refuses to model any sort of real world consequences for mass murder in 0.0 space and because living and producing in 0.0 as well as keepiing starbases, outposts and POS are entirely independant of anything empire has to offer.

In any civilized society mass murdering people coming out to supply you with stuff that you would normally have to have would not be a good idea. The states whose citizens you killed and the lack of resources from the civilized world would quickly lead to your extinction.

Unfortunately CCPs vision seems to be on par with the above not happening and so 0.0 will remain pretty damn boring Quake style pvp and not much else.

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Originally by: Locke DieDrake

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Originally by: Infinity Ziona

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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 28/07/2006 03:22:24

Originally by: Iianko

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Originally by: Andreask14

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The biggest problem of 0.0 is that there are no markts and trade hubs.

The reason for this are the dangerous environment for carebears and the limited supply of ressources/goods found at the trade hubs.

This relates to the non-existant/un-safe infrastructure, and the thereby generated lack of customers.

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QFT.

The #1 reason why the 0.0 market is dead, is because Billy Bob and Jenny Jane unaffiliated industrialist will get blown up before making it past the chokepoints, and they know it. The only way to survive and be even remotely as productive as empire industrialists, is to have scads of bookmarks and near constant friendly battleship cover.

0.0 is kind of like living in the Wild West. Except that everyone, including the friendly bartender, is packing a shotgun and trying to kill you.

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This is because CCP refuses to model any sort of real world consequences for mass murder in 0.0 space and because living and producing in 0.0 as well as keepiing starbases, outposts and POS are entirely independant of anything empire has to offer.

In any civilized society mass murdering people coming out to supply you with stuff that you would normally have to have would not be a good idea. The states whose citizens you killed and the lack of resources from the civilized world would quickly lead to your extinction.

Unfortunately CCPs vision seems to be on par with the above not happening and so 0.0 will remain pretty damn boring Quake style pvp and not much else.

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Think of it more like a random truck full of stuff rolls into a military base and just expects to be able to stock the shelvs in the pantry. Of course you are going to get blown out of the sky.

And in EVE, those of us that live in 0.0 supply ourselfs. We don't need, or want random industrials coming up and clogging up the market just because they think they can charge more up here.

0.0 space is OWNED space. Unless the owner allows entry SPECIFICLY then you are tresspassing and are therefore KOS.

It's not a complicated concept. And it's not going to change anytime soon.

That being said, it's not hard to sneak past the local patrols and get yourself set up in 0.0 as an independant party. As long as you realise you are kill on sight to anyone that lives around you.

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