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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:31:00 -
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I'm just wondering if my understanding is off or if there is a bug going on. Sense Hyperion, my wh has had no sites spawn except other wormholes. I have anomalies, but no sigs. So i'm curious if its just me and i'm misunderstanding the respawn rate of a C5, or if others are seeing the same thing. (granted my sites could be picked clean but travelers before i get off work, but still figured i'd ask) OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:49:00 -
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Perhaps people in your region have just not run many since Hyperion and the pool of sites that have been run have gone to others in your region...
RNG is what it is. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
869
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:49:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:Perhaps people in your region have just not run many since Hyperion and the pool of sites that have been run have gone to others in your region...
RNG is what it is.
ah yea i did not think of that.. hmm OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Pro TIps
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:27:00 -
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We have not seen any new sites spawn recently, either. Seems odd as the same three have been there, so no visitors took them. |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
665
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:33:00 -
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This could well be a knock on effect of all the hyperion changes. with it making it alotless safe to run sites people arent and so no new sites are spawning.
I've been chatting to CCP Fozzie about numbers for various things and hopefully after a week or so we might see some changes, we may have to wait a bit longer mind for things to take effect though.
But iam looking in to this and your not the first people to notice this either. Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
Winthorp
2660
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:46:00 -
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corbexx wrote:This could well be a knock on effect of all the hyperion changes. with it making it alotless safe to run sites people arent and so no new sites are spawning.
I've been chatting to CCP Fozzie about numbers for various things and hopefully after a week or so we might see some changes, we may have to wait a bit longer mind for things to take effect though.
But iam looking in to this and your not the first people to notice this either.
I sure hope they don't magic buff the site spawn pool or % upwards as a kneejerk reaction to less sites and in a few months when everything has settled down to a natural equilibrium forget about adjusting things downward again.
I would be concerned that a few weeks of post patch data is not enough to change things. |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
665
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:02:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:corbexx wrote:This could well be a knock on effect of all the hyperion changes. with it making it alotless safe to run sites people arent and so no new sites are spawning.
I've been chatting to CCP Fozzie about numbers for various things and hopefully after a week or so we might see some changes, we may have to wait a bit longer mind for things to take effect though.
But iam looking in to this and your not the first people to notice this either. I sure hope they don't magic buff the site spawn pool or % upwards as a kneejerk reaction to less sites and in a few months when everything has settled down to a natural equilibrium forget about adjusting things downward again. I would be concerned that a few weeks of post patch data is not enough to change things.
aye agree.
although after a patch (espeically the first wh patch in 3 years) stuff should be up even if its just due to people trying **** out. so if its down early on that could be a issue, although the oposite is true and it coudl be people need a month to figure it out.
need to wait for numbers. although my worry is by the time we get them **** will already be in a really bad stage. Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1167
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:11:00 -
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corbexx wrote:Winthorp wrote:corbexx wrote:This could well be a knock on effect of all the hyperion changes. with it making it alotless safe to run sites people arent and so no new sites are spawning.
I've been chatting to CCP Fozzie about numbers for various things and hopefully after a week or so we might see some changes, we may have to wait a bit longer mind for things to take effect though.
But iam looking in to this and your not the first people to notice this either. I sure hope they don't magic buff the site spawn pool or % upwards as a kneejerk reaction to less sites and in a few months when everything has settled down to a natural equilibrium forget about adjusting things downward again. I would be concerned that a few weeks of post patch data is not enough to change things. aye agree. although after a patch (espeically the first wh patch in 3 years) stuff should be up even if its just due to people trying **** out. so if its down early on that could be a issue, although the oposite is true and it coudl be people need a month to figure it out. need to wait for numbers. although my worry is by the time we get them **** will already be in a really bad stage.
Your worries are shared, people who leave WH space or let their game time expire, are lost forever in most cases.
It's no good CCP saying an hour after they have gone, "good news, we are doing X as our metrics showed whatever" they will no longer be listening. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Maduin Shi
Perkone Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:50:00 -
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corbexx wrote:
aye agree.
although after a patch (espeically the first wh patch in 3 years) stuff should be up even if its just due to people trying **** out. so if its down early on that could be a issue, although the oposite is true and it coudl be people need a month to figure it out.
need to wait for numbers. although my worry is by the time we get them **** will already be in a really bad stage.
It could be symptomatic of a big drop in WH groups farming their static connections, since its now a lot harder to secure an inactive static. "Parking lot" wormhole systems may be becoming a bigger problem. |
Keith Planck
Lazerhawks
906
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:05:00 -
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You could just give anoms a timer so they disappear regardless of being run, im thinking longer then 4 days but shorter then it is now if there is one. "Jack Miton liked your forum post:" |
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Pro TIps
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:06:00 -
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You guys seem to know something about the mechanics behind sites spawning. Are there a certain number of sites (or spawn rate) shared across a region of space? Does that explain why my C4 gets 1-2 sites a day (typically; it's zero since the patch), but others talk about having new sites spawn in their systems more frequently?
corbexx wrote:need to wait for numbers. although my worry is by the time we get them **** will already be in a really bad stage. Everyone in my corp took their mains to K-space even before we realized this was a thing. That's not unusual for us, we go back and forth sometimes, but our pilots won't come back until there is content. I hope CCP doesn't sit on their hands and ignore this anom spawn thing.
I'm not saying the sky is falling. We have fuel for months. We just didn't see a reason to be in W-space right now, given the dramatically increased risk and no sites to farm. |
Maduin Shi
Perkone Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:54:00 -
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Pro TIps wrote:You guys seem to know something about the mechanics behind sites spawning. Are there a certain number of sites (or spawn rate) shared across a region of space? Does that explain why my C4 gets 1-2 sites a day (typically; it's zero since the patch), but others talk about having new sites spawn in their systems more frequently?
There's a "pool" of sites that are shared by... a given constellation or region of w-space I forget which. Though the meaning of those terms is sort of lost given how w-space works. But if you run a site, it will respawn in some other w-space system that TQ associates with your constellation/region.
w-space systems where nobody lives and are hard to access will accumulate more and more anoms/sigs over time because nobody is warping to them or running them. I think there's a de-spawn timer on sites even if there is no player interaction with them but its pretty long, perhaps a week or more. Anyway these empty/inaccessible systems become "parking lots" for anoms/sigs.
You'll occasionally get a connection to one of these systems with a huge number of sites, but if you don't farm them or warp to them then they stay there and they will take far longer to cycle and respawn in your home system or elsewhere.
If I got any of this wrong, someone correct me pls. Thx :) |
Angsty Teenager
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
553
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Posted - 2014.08.30 19:14:00 -
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SURPRISE CCP ****** UP AND NOW NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN WORMHOLES.
NEWS AT 11 |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
874
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:40:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:SURPRISE CCP ****** UP AND NOW NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN WORMHOLES.
NEWS AT 11 I have not noticed this **** up your talking about. I saw a lot of people whining because its a bit harder to roll holes or you have to be smart about it. I just wanted to see if they accidentally broke the non wh part of the signature spawning. Seems its a no. So i wont worry about it n give it another few days OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Bear Paws
The Hells Bells Club
0
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:52:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:SURPRISE CCP ****** UP AND NOW NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN WORMHOLES.
NEWS AT 11
This +1
Pages and pages of "input" since the update from folks who have obviously never been in a WH for more than 5 mins are just going to confuse things for CCP.
Meanwhile the systems are emptying fast, we're out of our C4 and 3 of the 5 systems we had scouts based in have emptied already too.
As a result 2 corp main accounts expire in the next 7 days and wont be re-subbed, 2 more expire a week later |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
874
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:54:00 -
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Bear Paws wrote:Angsty Teenager wrote:SURPRISE CCP ****** UP AND NOW NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN WORMHOLES.
NEWS AT 11 This +1 Pages and pages of "input" since the update from folks who have obviously never been in a WH for more than 5 mins are just going to confuse things for CCP. Meanwhile the systems are emptying fast, we're out of our C4 and 3 of the 5 systems we had scouts based in have emptied already too. As a result 2 corp main accounts expire in the next 7 days and wont be re-subbed, 2 more expire a week later
Then what exactly is broken? OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Angsty Teenager
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
555
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:29:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:
Then what exactly is broken?
CCP's thought process.
They decided to balance the rewards of w-space by making it HARDER, not RISKIER. Reward should be balanced around risk not the amount of effort/grind that has to be put in. It's baffling that they both have made w-space harder and less risky at the same time. (NPC kill api and the WH mass jump range changes).
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
875
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:47:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:DaReaper wrote:
Then what exactly is broken?
CCP's thought process. They decided to balance the rewards of w-space by making it HARDER, not RISKIER. Reward should be balanced around risk not the amount of effort/grind that has to be put in. It's baffling that they both have made w-space harder and less risky at the same time. (NPC kill api and the WH mass jump range changes).
I'm not sure how any of what you said had to do with rewards, they have not seems to changed. the npc kill data being blocked is meh, just means you have to hunt a bit before you know if a systems is generally active. and The WH spawn changes.. well i thought most wh corps love pvp, so shouldn;t the ability to catch dreads and the like easier make then happy? I still don;t see how wh;s are broken and i've lived in them off and off form day one and for a over a year now. I see it more as HTFU and adapt or die then broken.
But on topic. i got a gas site spawned today first one since hyp came out. yay! OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
116
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:06:00 -
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I have has gas, relic and data sites spawn in my system. Of all the podcasts I listen to Hyrdostatic is the best! http://hydrostaticpodcast.blogspot.ca/ Nolen Cadmar spreadsheets: Excellent value, great customer service. Don't wait and check them out. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=295315 |
Surrian O'Connor
Hidden.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:37:00 -
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3 **** gas sites and finally a combat site im my c5. gg ccp, you win. moth balling the system at the next appropriate entrance i think. |
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
880
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:40:00 -
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Surrian O'Connor wrote:3 **** gas sites and finally a combat site im my c5. gg ccp, you win. moth balling the system at the next appropriate entrance i think.
awesome, less supply means t3 prices will rise, means more money for me. sweet OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Maduin Shi
Perkone Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2014.08.31 06:32:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Surrian O'Connor wrote:3 **** gas sites and finally a combat site im my c5. gg ccp, you win. moth balling the system at the next appropriate entrance i think. awesome, less supply means t3 prices will rise, means more money for me. sweet
Edit: Nevermind |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
668
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Posted - 2014.08.31 13:19:00 -
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Maduin Shi wrote:corbexx wrote:
aye agree.
although after a patch (espeically the first wh patch in 3 years) stuff should be up even if its just due to people trying **** out. so if its down early on that could be a issue, although the oposite is true and it coudl be people need a month to figure it out.
need to wait for numbers. although my worry is by the time we get them **** will already be in a really bad stage.
It could be symptomatic of a big drop in WH groups farming their static connections, since its now a lot harder to secure an inactive static. "Parking lot" wormhole systems may be becoming a bigger problem.
aye but this is still bad. People need to make isk and they are still in space so targets which provide content. Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
Pro TIps
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.08.31 13:47:00 -
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We have one new combat site today. Sorry, I mean one new combat site since Tuesday. :( |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
3
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Posted - 2014.09.01 09:01:00 -
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Maduin Shi wrote:There's a "pool" of sites that are shared by... a given constellation or region of w-space I forget which. Though the meaning of those terms is sort of lost given how w-space works. But if you run a site, it will respawn in some other w-space system that TQ associates with your constellation/region.
Has this ever been confirmed? I only read about this a s a theory or roumor. Did CCP ever verify that this is actually the case?
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AtomYcX
Hard Knocks Inc.
81
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Posted - 2014.09.01 11:49:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:Maduin Shi wrote:There's a "pool" of sites that are shared by... a given constellation or region of w-space I forget which. Though the meaning of those terms is sort of lost given how w-space works. But if you run a site, it will respawn in some other w-space system that TQ associates with your constellation/region. Has this ever been confirmed? I only read about this a s a theory or roumor. Did CCP ever verify that this is actually the case?
It doesn't seem to be true in my experience, we put scouts in every wormhole system in our constellation (5 other systems) and warped every site whenever they popped up for over a month, and we didn't see a huge influx of sites in our home system. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1604
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Posted - 2014.09.02 00:45:00 -
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Yes, I too have noticed lots and lots of empty systems. C4s with no or one site in them. The normal is for any wormhole to have a minimum of 2-3 sites. You can roll your hole for 4 hours into 8 subsequent C4's and on the ninth find one with 40 sites.
There are some things I would like to just randomly point out in case CCP Greyscale needs to dunk CCP Fozzie headfirst into a bin and unbugger whatever maths has been screwed up here.
OK, so you spent 4 hours of very risky rage-rolling finding the holy grail C4 bear haven with 40 sites. it has 8 wormholes connecting to it, 4 of which are frigate sized. Most people do not run the sites in here because you cannot close the frigate holes down.
So you are up to 4 hours times 5 meatbods time (20 man-hours) to find one system which has decent amounts of PVE content, out of 9 wormholes.
We have two explanations. The First Eight of those wormholes either have very efficient carebears who smack down every sleeper site within hours of it coming up, and live from orcas and have no POSs in 4 of those holes (50% vacancy rate is implied, gg CCP). In the other 4 inhabited holes, they are equally puissant at instantly running sites, such that nothing remains.
The Second Wormholes are not actually spawning.
There's a bad mechanism at work here, too. maybe this will change as people HTFU and adjust to having 4 frigate wormholes open in their system. Maybe people are just being rational, though, and not ratting when there are too many wormholes open. As said above, if CCP doesn't climb down fast from a bad change or tweak things in the RNG so that there's more reward to go with the increased risk, then people are going to either unsub or leave.
One of the above 5 meatbods hasn't run sites in two weeks due to the corp moving out of a Cataclysmic hole 9because they now suck thanks to Hyperion), and moving in to our new hole, which is still potentially hostile. It's also a C4 with two wormhole statics, and a frig hole per day, so it's more risky. We spent hours rolling to get PVE content in the C4 and found nothing we could do (using our rational brains). In a few weeks, my poverty stricken corpie's sub runs out, one two accounts, and he's gone from game because he cannot afford to pay $30/mo and won't pay $30/mo now everything is borked.
Lets put it this way. if CCP borked the sov upgrades which give infinite and endless respawns of Sanctums (a different issue in and of itself, would really enjoy that in w-space), we'd see the whole forums locked down by the ISD gestapo because of the QQ. Yet here we are, with plenty of anecdotal evidence something is awry in w-space spawning mechanics after someone put their poo-finger in the pie (no names) and it's glorious silence.
No Local is a feature of the wormholes, not the forums.
CCP/ISD need to sit down with a PR consultant and look at other massive PR failures recently (try Black Milk clothing, you dirty apes) and cast a weather eye over the recent immature behaviour on the forums. Yes, a lot of people QQ and say inane bullcrap and don't provide feedback. But responding by locking 40 threads shows you've lost the PR battle, and sends a very sure message to your customers: that you really don't appreciate their business at all.
Thanks CCP. Your product is faulty, you need to fix your product, not try to make your customers less a bunch of solipsistic whiny aspergers victims. J's before K's. Sudden Buggery is recruiting w-nerds and w-noobs. Mail your resume in today! http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
797
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:00:00 -
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Since the patch we've only had 2 rubbish ore sites, no combat anoms that I've noticed (if so they got despawned) and the odd so so gas site and infact not a lot of anything - unusual but its not been long enough to know if theres a change in the trend. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1613
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Posted - 2014.09.02 15:06:00 -
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There is two ways to look at this, given information leaked by CCP Gheyscale.
There is either a mechanism by which a signature is caused to spawn within a given wormhole system.
This mechanism works either on a system whereby the result of that spawn chance is, to whit; a) a static b) a transient wormhole c) a frigate wormhole (nelwy addedin Hyperion) d) a relic site e) a data site f) an ore site g) a combat site
The chance is either as a percentage of a whole number (ie; percentage chances must add up to 10%) or an abitrary number (percentages can add up to +/- 100%).
So. An event happens and the system makes a call (C) on a table (A) whereby the result (R) is determned either as a percentage of a chance. In other words, a chance out of 100, or a chance out of X where X is arbitrary.
1) Of a probability pool of 100% a) Wormhole statics have remained the same percentage b) transient wormholes have been increased a percentage c) frigate wormholes have been added as a percentage d) radars remained the same percentage e) data site remained the same percentage f) ore sites remained the same percentage g) combat anomaly remained the same percentage
2) of a probability pool of X (where X is an arbitrary number) a) Wormhole statics have remained the same percentage of X b) transient wormholes have been increased a percentage of X (ie; X + A) c) frigate wormholes have been added as a percentage (ie; + B) d) radars remained the same e) data site remained the same f) ore sites remained the same g) combat anoma remained the same
Thereore, depending on the probability chances of a frigate or transient wormhole (which have been increased in hyperion by Fozzie) versus the pool of chances (100 *or* X);
Any increase in frigate wormholes from zero naturally results in a decrease in the probabilities of spawning any other result (as a proportion of 100 or X)
Any increase in the chances of spawning a transient wormhole also reduces the probabilities of spawning any other result (as a proportion of Xor 100%)
Therefore, should we really be surprised that a ham-fisted attempt at creating more content in wormholes by rejiggering the spawn percentage chanes of an anomaly vs wormhole vs transient vs frig wormhole, blah blah blagh, will result in LESS ANOMALIES SPAWNING?
No.
OMG you guys have no idea how hard this was to type legibly after ten scotcch whiskeys. ZOMG. Srs problums. J's before K's. Sudden Buggery is recruiting w-nerds and w-noobs. Mail your resume in today! http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Levina Windstar
Mekalon Industry
3
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Posted - 2014.09.02 15:26:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote: OMG you guys have no idea how hard this was to type legibly after ten scotcch whiskeys. ZOMG. Srs problums.
Kudos for you my friend
Back on topic, we had 2 or 3 combat site in our C4 since the patch and no data/relic (but these were already pretty rare before the patch anyway...) |
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