Perhaps people in your region have just not run many since Hyperion and the pool of sites that have been run have gone to others in your region...

RNG is what it is.

This could well be a knock on effect of all the hyperion changes. with it making it alotless safe to run sites people arent and so no new sites are spawning.

I've been chatting to CCP Fozzie about numbers for various things and hopefully after a week or so we might see some changes, we may have to wait a bit longer mind for things to take effect though.

But iam looking in to this and your not the first people to notice this either.

I sure hope they don't magic buff the site spawn pool or % upwards as a kneejerk reaction to less sites and in a few months when everything has settled down to a natural equilibrium forget about adjusting things downward again.

I would be concerned that a few weeks of post patch data is not enough to change things.

aye agree.

although after a patch (espeically the first wh patch in 3 years) stuff should be up even if its just due to people trying **** out. so if its down early on that could be a issue, although the oposite is true and it coudl be people need a month to figure it out.

need to wait for numbers. although my worry is by the time we get them **** will already be in a really bad stage.

aye agree.

although after a patch (espeically the first wh patch in 3 years) stuff should be up even if its just due to people trying **** out. so if its down early on that could be a issue, although the oposite is true and it coudl be people need a month to figure it out.

need to wait for numbers. although my worry is by the time we get them **** will already be in a really bad stage.

need to wait for numbers. although my worry is by the time we get them **** will already be in a really bad stage.

You guys seem to know something about the mechanics behind sites spawning. Are there a certain number of sites (or spawn rate) shared across a region of space? Does that explain why my C4 gets 1-2 sites a day (typically; it's zero since the patch), but others talk about having new sites spawn in their systems more frequently?

SURPRISE CCP ****** UP AND NOW NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN WORMHOLES.

NEWS AT 11

SURPRISE CCP ****** UP AND NOW NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN WORMHOLES.

NEWS AT 11

This +1

Pages and pages of "input" since the update from folks who have obviously never been in a WH for more than 5 mins are just going to confuse things for CCP.

Meanwhile the systems are emptying fast, we're out of our C4 and 3 of the 5 systems we had scouts based in have emptied already too.

As a result 2 corp main accounts expire in the next 7 days and wont be re-subbed, 2 more expire a week later

Then what exactly is broken?

CCP's thought process.

They decided to balance the rewards of w-space by making it HARDER, not RISKIER. Reward should be balanced around risk not the amount of effort/grind that has to be put in. It's baffling that they both have made w-space harder and less risky at the same time. (NPC kill api and the WH mass jump range changes).

3 **** gas sites and finally a combat site im my c5. gg ccp, you win. moth balling the system at the next appropriate entrance i think.

awesome, less supply means t3 prices will rise, means more money for me. sweet

It could be symptomatic of a big drop in WH groups farming their static connections, since its now a lot harder to secure an inactive static. "Parking lot" wormhole systems may be becoming a bigger problem.

There's a "pool" of sites that are shared by... a given constellation or region of w-space I forget which. Though the meaning of those terms is sort of lost given how w-space works. But if you run a site, it will respawn in some other w-space system that TQ associates with your constellation/region.

Has this ever been confirmed? I only read about this a s a theory or roumor. Did CCP ever verify that this is actually the case?

OMG you guys have no idea how hard this was to type legibly after ten scotcch whiskeys. ZOMG. Srs problums.

aye but this is still bad. People need to make isk and they are still in space so targets which provide content.

There is two ways to look at this, given information leaked by CCP Gheyscale.

**math stuff**

aye but this is still bad. People need to make isk and they are still in space so targets which provide content.

Honestly corbexx, do they not care at all ?

THere is no incentive to play the game really so all there is to it is account expiration and throwing cash at smth else, maybe some cosmetic items at Dota 2.

There is two ways to look at this, given information leaked by CCP Gheyscale.

~interesting stuff~

From the sound of things lately mate the only things people are doing in space by and large is ship spinning and waiting.

Honestly corbexx, do they not care at all ? THere is no incentive to play the game really so all there is to it is account expiration and throwing cash at smth else, maybe some cosmetic items at Dota 2. And judging by general response, ppl are happy that others are leaving even. Not bad.

They care, the issue is they think this is for the best. I disagree and so do most people on the forums. But I don't think they are willing to change it till the numbers show how god aweful this is, At which point I just hope to bob its not to late.

Is that solid knowledge or more like conjecture?

If that is fact and the numbers were not adjusted to keep site spawns like before the changes, that would seem incredibly... odd. It's hard to imagine that something obvious like that could be an oversight.

From my own scanning, I can say that I see plenty of sites, but since most of the systems are inactive, they may just have been there a long time.

sad thing is I think you could be very right.

we've connected to a few big groups and they havent had the numbers to fight us, so we have literally farmed there sites.

You are so good at low-llevel rhetorical sarcasm I was halfway through responding to you in TL;DR fashion before I trollface.jpg. Hahahahah. Ahhahahah.

The above was a bit of insight gained at the bottom of an overfilled tumbler of Oban 14 year old single malt. There is literally no way it could not work in one of the above two ways, when you think about it after a relatively smaller glass of Six isles Blended.

I wonder if enough people unsub the melted nano ribbon prices will reach 10-15 mil again?

The prevailing thought regarding wh spawns is based on the idea that wh space code is merely repurposed k-space code (would make a ton of sense from a dev pov)

this means things like constellations and more importantly spawn mechanics based on them would also be reused (and why not?)

so the explanation for no sites spawning really is as simple as an extreme drop in a) people in wh space/exploring wh space (warping to sigs to despawn them in statics is normal practice for all smart c5/6 corps) and b) a drop in people running sites.

Now its all fine and dandy saying we should wait for 2 months of data and for ccp to get off their lazy behinds but a lot of people, once they unsub, are not coming back. wh space is PERMANENTLY losing people. they are not coming back.

just to make it crystal clear ccp and corbexx, the damage done, and being done right now is PERMANENT unless huge incentives are introduced to move back into whs or resub. just reversing most of these change wont be enough anymore.

tldr: ccp got rekt wrt whs.

Anyone know if CCP plans to 'fix' this issue?

going to be leaving this worm hole soon if I don't get any sites to run. 4 combats sites in a week. last two days+ none. something is broken.

going to be leaving this worm hole soon if I don't get any sites to run. 4 combats sites in a week. last two days+ none. something is broken.

I wonder if enough people unsub the melted nano ribbon prices will reach 10-15 mil again?

I wonder if enough people unsub the melted nano ribbon prices will reach 10-15 mil again?

That would be nice... At least the WH carebears whines would have a good effect for those that do not follow the self inflated gripes against Hyperion, and adapt to thrive in truly risky environments...

That would be nice... At least the WH carebears whines would have a good effect for those that do not follow the self inflated gripes against Hyperion, and adapt to thrive in truly risky environments...

What you do for isk? Everyone got to bear some for isk now and then... Like it or not, those you call carebears have a function in wspace too. If wspace in the end, just ends up being a few large enteties, I doubt much fun will be had.

Price of nano ribbon's is just not tied to how many people running sites, but actual use of the materials. Rest of sleeper salvage outside nano ribbons is dead cheap. ...

What you do for isk? Everyone got to bear some for isk now and then... Like it or not, those you call carebears have a function in wspace too. If wspace in the end, just ends up being a few large enteties, I doubt much fun will be had.

Price of nano ribbon's is just not tied to how many people running sites, but actual use of the materials. Rest of sleeper salvage outside nano ribbons is dead cheap. ...

Mainly farming anomalies in a C3, and it is certainly more challenging to do, but not impossible, so if some of the loot become rarer and more valuable I am all for it.. I am not going to leave WH space. My whole point is that farming in WH was way too secure before Hyperion, and WH space needed to get this dangerous area feeling back.

Mainly farming anomalies in a C3, and it is certainly more challenging to do, but not impossible, so if some of the loot become rarer and more valuable I am all for it.. I am not going to leave WH space. My whole point is that farming in WH was way too secure before Hyperion, and WH space needed to get this dangerous area feeling back.

But you are wrong on the current situation. Everything is harder for the C1-C4 wh entities. Nothing has changed for C5-C6 entities. And thoses C5-C6 entities are the main supplier for sleeper salvage on the market.

This patch is a disaster for small / mid corps. It's riskier, harder, and there is a lot less content. All wrong.
For big corps, nothing has changed, except bigger chain map that is a good thing for them.

But you are wrong on the current situation. Everything is harder for the C1-C4 wh entities. Nothing has changed for C5-C6 entities. And thoses C5-C6 entities are the main supplier for sleeper salvage on the market.

This patch is a disaster for small / mid corps. It's riskier, harder, and there is a lot less content. All wrong.
For big corps, nothing has changed, except bigger chain map that is a good thing for them.

Mainly farming anomalies in a C3

I never made as much ISK per week until I settled in my C3

Mainly farming anomalies in a C3

I never made as much ISK per week until I settled in my C3

So, you settled in a C3 and are running your own system's anomalies, making huge bank? I ask this, since a C3 doesn't have a C3 static, so you're not farming your static. In fact, you can only reliably get to K-space, beyond whatever holes open up into you. If you have a particularly crappy K-space type, it's entirely likely that people try to roll you off to get a different C3, thus leading to your opportunities to try to catch hole rollers.

So congrats on finding one of those occasional undesirable gold mine systems. They're great when you can find them, but the money doesn't last once you run out of anomalies and are waiting for more of them to spawn.

So, you settled in a C3 and are running your own system's anomalies, making huge bank? I ask this, since a C3 doesn't have a C3 static, so you're not farming your static. In fact, you can only reliably get to K-space, beyond whatever holes open up into you. If you have a particularly crappy K-space type, it's entirely likely that people try to roll you off to get a different C3, thus leading to your opportunities to try to catch hole rollers.

So congrats on finding one of those occasional undesirable gold mine systems. They're great when you can find them, but the money doesn't last once you run out of anomalies and are waiting for more of them to spawn.

I never saw this system as crappy, but indeed I can see how others would....

I never saw this system as crappy, but indeed I can see how others would....

But you are wrong on the current situation. Everything is harder for the C1-C4 wh entities. Nothing has changed for C5-C6 entities. And thoses C5-C6 entities are the main supplier for sleeper salvage on the market.

This patch is a disaster for small / mid corps. It's riskier, harder, and there is a lot less content. All wrong.
For big corps, nothing has changed, except bigger chain map that is a good thing for them.

But you are wrong on the current situation. Everything is harder for the C1-C4 wh entities. Nothing has changed for C5-C6 entities. And thoses C5-C6 entities are the main supplier for sleeper salvage on the market.

This patch is a disaster for small / mid corps. It's riskier, harder, and there is a lot less content. All wrong.
For big corps, nothing has changed, except bigger chain map that is a good thing for them.

Yeah, usually people with a C3 static are rolling it looking for a route to hisec.

Given the complaints in this thread about limited respawns of W-space anomalies, are you saying that you are getting new anomalies regularly? If you're pulling in that much income per week for an extended period of time, even solo you're not living on a gold mine and so there has to be something more than just pre-existing anomalies. I think that's what most people have been questioning, whether the anomalies in W-space are respawning regularly since Hyperion.

Yeah, usually people with a C3 static are rolling it looking for a route to hisec.

Given the complaints in this thread about limited respawns of W-space anomalies, are you saying that you are getting new anomalies regularly? If you're pulling in that much income per week for an extended period of time, even solo you're not living on a gold mine and so there has to be something more than just pre-existing anomalies. I think that's what most people have been questioning, whether the anomalies in W-space are respawning regularly since Hyperion.