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Ast3r0iD Maranwethial Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.07.27 10:28:00 - [1] With the new ship changes no doubt remedial has put out the "train karge hrbrid and caldari bs NOW! to all members. Now with comparatively lower skills you can be effective at longer range than ever before. So ... How will this effect alliances? I can see the goons tripling there long range fire power overnight with the tier 3 caldari bs Alektraphobia will undoubtedly switch some of there ravens to these ships .. and with the mid slots projected be just as effective with the ecm. Do you think the new ships, particularly the caldari tier 3, will change the face of the map, and alter the power of existing alliances apreciably?
Kin Hanyerec Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.27 10:31:00 - [2] we are all going to die
Vanguard Secundus F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.07.27 10:36:00 - [3] So, Is it time for me to run around screaming and flailing my arms about yet? Cause that sounds kind of fun.. :) F.R.E.E. Explorer... We are too drunk to remember what the F.R.E.E. stands for anymore
Evil Thug Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.27 10:49:00 - [4] You are not your ship. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 10:54:00 - [5] Alektorophobia are anything but low-sp. That said, Goonswarm eagerly looks forward to the advent of the Rokh, as it will allow our tech 1 pilots to match the ranges of tech 2 snipers currently, without that pesky 3-month+ training time. We're already mostly Caldari, too.
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:12:00 - [6] Tech 1 hybrids with tech 1 ammo at 200 km will still do nothing in comparison to tech 2 guns with tech 2 ammo. And those of us who do have skills trained well will be in those ships aswell, instead at 249km. If goons wanted a range battle, even with those new ships, they would lose very badly to skilled alliance with probly half numbers such as G or BoB. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:13:00 - [7] Originally by: The Mittani ...as it will allow our tech 1 pilots to match the ranges of tech 2 snipers currently... Actually, it won't - t2 guns & ammo will still be > t1 guns and ammo.
Eleese Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:17:00 - [8] They wont hit very hard with there long rng tech 1 pea shooters. however atm you can warp in to a goon fleet at 200-210km with like 10 guys with tech 2 guns and pop some of their fleet without any risk. Howver if they have more people able to hit. 30 guys with tech 1 guns shooting 200km. will still hurt. So although they will most likely still get owned in equal ish engagements. it does help them significantly.
Shyalud Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:17:00 - [9] I don't see how this will aid Goons anymore then anyone else. There's a lot more to fleet battles then range. CHSN High Council Chosen Path Recruitment
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: The Mittani ...as it will allow our tech 1 pilots to match the ranges of tech 2 snipers currently... Actually, it won't - t2 guns & ammo will still be > t1 guns and ammo. read it as the mostly caldari goons will now be able to use tech 1 fitted rokhs and match other races tech 2 fitted battleships. Then they will always be able to hit back unless the enemy is all tech 2 rokhs. you'll never jump alone
Richard Face GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Shyalud I don't see how this will aid Goons anymore then anyone else. There's a lot more to fleet battles then range. checking the punctuation on your offer of surrender for example
SengH Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Xthril Ranger Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: The Mittani ...as it will allow our tech 1 pilots to match the ranges of tech 2 snipers currently... Actually, it won't - t2 guns & ammo will still be > t1 guns and ammo. read it as the mostly caldari goons will now be able to use tech 1 fitted rokhs and match other races tech 2 fitted battleships. Then they will always be able to hit back unless the enemy is all tech 2 rokhs. Not really, all they need is 1 more tracking comp + 1/2 tracking enhancers. Then Iron starts hitting at the same range as spike. Spike L with 1 tracking comp already has a optimal of 248km. Since you cant lock past 250km. All they need to do is to be able to hit out to 250km. They get a bit of leeway too if you toss in falloff.
Eloryan Persago Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:34:00 - [13] I expect by the time it is released most of us will have Tech II rails _________________________________________ Anything posted by this character does not represent Goonfleet and/or Goonswarm, anything said which may offend you was probably said because I meant it
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Eleese They wont hit very hard with there long rng tech 1 pea shooters. however atm you can warp in to a goon fleet at 200-210km with like 10 guys with tech 2 guns and pop some of their fleet without any risk. Howver if they have more people able to hit. 30 guys with tech 1 guns shooting 200km. will still hurt. So although they will most likely still get owned in equal ish engagements. it does help them significantly. This one gets it.
Tecam Hund Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.27 12:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Ast3r0iD Alektraphobia will undoubtedly switch some of there ravens to these ships .. and with the mid slots projected be just as effective with the ecm. ECM is useless at sniping ranges. At closer range Ravens are still better because there is no tracking issue.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.27 13:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Evil Thug You are not your ship. currently hibernating
SengH Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.07.27 13:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Evil Thug You are not your ship. actually given the current stats ... for fleets it obsoletes any other BS no matter what skills you have. 8/7/5 Highest base locking range Highest base shield Highest resists to boot (after bonus) Highest sensor strength Combined with the optimal bonus, theres not much reason to fly any other ship into fleets.
Deakin Frost Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.27 13:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Eloryan Persago I expect by the time it is released most of us will have Tech II rails With the current pace, by the time Kali One will be released, I'll have all race battleships trained to 5 including the related gunnery and missile skills. >:\|
Ismern GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 13:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Ast3r0iD Do you think the new ships, particularly the caldari tier 3, will change the face of the map, and alter the power of existing alliances apreciably? No. Although it will be nice to have more of our guys be able to snipe. Although also to be honest, I really have no desire to snipe right now. If I really wanted to I could be flying a fully fitted T2 sniping Megathron within a month but I honestly don't care all that much about it. Command ships look fun . . . ----------------------------------------------------------- "It's not that I'm lazy . . . It's that I just don't care."
Eleese Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:12:00 - [20] Originally by: SengH Originally by: Hast Originally by: Evil Thug You are not your ship. actually given the current stats ... for fleets it obsoletes any other BS no matter what skills you have. 8/7/5 Highest base locking range Highest base shield Highest resists to boot (after bonus) Highest sensor strength Combined with the optimal bonus, theres not much reason to fly any other ship into fleets. Well at current fleet rngs generally being 160km ish. ew isnt much use. And the megathron will out dmg it by about 10% i think. So its not all that superior.
Zzazzt Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Richard Face Originally by: Shyalud I don't see how this will aid Goons anymore then anyone else. There's a lot more to fleet battles then range. checking the punctuation on your offer of surrender for example ouch ____________________________________________
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Richard Face Originally by: Shyalud I don't see how this will aid Goons anymore then anyone else. There's a lot more to fleet battles then range. checking the punctuation on your offer of surrender for example "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:33:00 - [23] Also, the goons are indeed about to get a boost. Unfortunately, I'll have to wait for the D2 Sells Out thread to be finished cleaning before I get to drop my atomic dramabomb.
Trac3rt GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: The Mittani ...as it will allow our tech 1 pilots to match the ranges of tech 2 snipers currently... Actually, it won't - t2 guns & ammo will still be > t1 guns and ammo. Nobody here was claiming that T1 is in any way, shape, or form better than T2. T2>T1 is bloody obvious, and is not changing. The point being made is that whe nit comes to sniping the Roch significantly reduces the SP requirements for sniping battleships since T2 guns and ammo are no longer required. ___
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:37:00 - [25] Originally by: The Mittani Also, the goons are indeed about to get a boost.
Shimpu Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:43:00 - [26] Originally by: The Mittani Also, the goons are indeed about to get a boost. Unfortunately, I'll have to wait for the D2 Sells Out thread to be finished cleaning before I get to drop my atomic dramabomb. Originally by: Unknown Scout "ze scoud ffrom xzy, hSs a geighz aggdi...,eeeeeehhhmmmmm, somesing is jambing halt, sree hospitalized incoming."
Floppy Disk GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:45:00 - [27] This forum is Pg-13 please edit out the ******* in that comic.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: The Mittani Also, the goons are indeed about to get a boost. This irony is delicious! Yum.
Miram Teldarin Lightning Dynamics GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:55:00 - [29] Tech 2? Someday. =( Miram Teldarin For the Swarm! Lightning Dynamics
Ast3r0iD Maranwethial Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.07.27 14:59:00 - [30] I'm not trying to make the point regarding the roch being better than t2 etc or its damage etc. Thats what the ships and modules forum is for. What i'm interested in is that now the significant advantage that high skillpointed players had in terms of range has been somewhat negated, what effect this will have on eve as a whole. For instance, there will be a hell of a lot more people able to camp gates in low sec, with relatively low skills. The mini ship with the boost bonus should be able to tank indefinately if setup right, and two definately will. Add to that the ease that caldari's will now be out of sentry gun range and low sec just got a lot more dangerous. Another example is Linkage when RAT and co raped ascn due to there long range ability. This wont be as applicable anymore. Fleet fights will be a lot easier (and cheaper) to do as a t1 ship can now hit nearly as far and not far off as hard as t2.
Tibba Curri GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 15:46:00 - [31] I think it will be a HUGE boost, and I'm very excited. 8 x Miner IIs, a beefy shield tank, and plenty of room left over for stabs? Those roids will never even know what hit them.
Cvuos GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 16:20:00 - [32] Only problem is, how long will the chat channels and forums support the inevitable lyric spouting? I WANNA ROKH! We built this region....we built this region on rokh and rooooll. Rokhin'...after midnight! For those about to rokh, we salute you! I-i-i wanna rohk and roll all niiite...and gatecamp every day! And so on. Can we get a dev response on this?
Buxaroo Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.07.27 16:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Cvuos ........ I-i-i wanna rohk and roll all niiite...and gatecamp every day! And so on. Can we get a dev response on this? My co-workers were looking at me like I was crazy when they saw me laughing so hard at the computer
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.07.27 19:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Evil Thug You are not your ship. Ah, another reason to be a fan. Evil Thug knows the riddle of steel. Not suprising, of course. Koronos
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 19:53:00 - [35] Edited by: Berrik Radhok on 27/07/2006 19:52:52 I predict a massive increase in low sec gate snipers, which gives me a reason to train covops and recons after all so I can easily pick off lots of pirate wannabes.
Shyalud Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Richard Face Originally by: Shyalud I don't see how this will aid Goons anymore then anyone else. There's a lot more to fleet battles then range. checking the punctuation on your offer of surrender for example I don't remember offering you terms of surrender... CHSN High Council Chosen Path Recruitment
squidgee GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:51:00 - [37] Edited by: squidgee on 27/07/2006 20:51:13 Originally by: Shimpu Originally by: The Mittani Also, the goons are indeed about to get a boost. Unfortunately, I'll have to wait for the D2 Sells Out thread to be finished cleaning before I get to drop my atomic dramabomb. http://mono.blogs.com/eve/Agronox.jpg Please do not post images on the forum. Changed to hyperlink. -wystler That's actually pretty much fantastic. ----- The previous statement does not represent GoonSwarm or GoonWaffe in any official capacity.
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:52:00 - [38] Think they just got boosted all right
BuSHiDo ZiN GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 21:15:00 - [39] The purpose of the Rokh is to distract fleets while the cloaked interdictor moves into place.
mynnna Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 21:30:00 - [40] yawn By the time the thing actually comes out a lot of our current tech 1 battleship pilots will be able to use Tech 2 guns anyway. Of course, some of us already can.
Kayl Breinhar Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:04:00 - [41] Keeping with the stereotypes: ---Three months (Years?) from now--- "LOLOL A GOON NEWBIE IN A ROKH, I WILL PWN HIM WITH MY UB3R SPIKE L AND GET PROPS ON MY KILLBOARD! OMG FIFTY MORE LIKE HIM JUST WARPED IN AT OPTIMAL RUNNNNNNNNN" Every day we get mocked we build more SP. The difference is our skillpaths are being strategically guided by Dear Leader for Great and Ultimate Victory.
Cvuos GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Kayl Breinhar The difference is our skillpaths are being strategically guided by Dear Leader for Great and Ultimate Victory. This is why I so gladly accept the 100% asset tax and the 12 weekly hours of mandatory mining (and the other 12 hours of "voluntary" mining). Originally by: Dianabolic If you guys really think you can keep eve seperate from rl with all the politics and oog coordination that goes on then you really are deluded.
Annie Cruz Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:09:00 - [43] i'll always fly a t1 frigate, always. i have 4.7 million SP right now. i tried moving up to a destroyer and hated every second of it.
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:09:00 - [44] Originally by: Shimpu Originally by: The Mittani http://mono.blogs.com/eve/Agronox.jpg Gold
DeadDuck Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:11:00 - [45] Originally by: HippoKing Think they just got boosted all right I predict a nerf
Arkadiy Konstienev GoonFleet	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:35:00 - [46] Right, because all this time we've been working and working so that we could fight from longer ranges.
Logan Williams Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.28 00:33:00 - [47] I personally can't wait for the release of the Rokh. I hear the Minnie one gets 8 highs too though. In all seriousness, I think you'll see a migration back to short range battles. A bit Ironic yes but, the Gallente one will be a blaster boat, The minnie one with 8 1400 II's and short range ammo...AND a ROF bonus......AAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDD the best shield tank in game shiver!! The Amarr I've not heard anything about so no ideas. As Command Ships come into play like the Eos and the Nighthawk having insane missile bonuses..................Yes, I really think a migration to short range will happen. Just my two isk. Originally by:* Logan Williams Cry CYVOK and let slip the geeks of diplomacy
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:07:00 - [48] noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike ____________________________
Tiuwaz Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:19:00 - [49] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 28/07/2006 01:18:58 Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike noob in mega firing iron < noob in a rokh firing iridium at same range noob being able to hit veteran at 200 km > noob not being able to hit veteran at 200 km rokh will be a boost to GW fleet capabilites, they wont pwn just because of the rokh, but it will definately help them a bit Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:25:00 - [50] Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike also vet in a rokh firing spike != vet in a thron firing spike I don't know any raven vets who also have 15m in gunnery and hybrids :P ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:42:00 - [51] Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 28/07/2006 01:18:58 Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike noob in mega firing iron < noob in a rokh firing iridium at same range noob being able to hit veteran at 200 km > noob not being able to hit veteran at 200 km rokh will be a boost to GW fleet capabilites, they wont pwn just because of the rokh, but it will definately help them a bit True, but then again, an entire fleet composed of basically 1 type of ship makes it all the more easy to counter and ultimately defeat. This is definitely a boost for nublets who can't use tech II ammo yet, but I wouldn't go around giving the order to start training up for Rokhs just yet. ____________________________
Tiuwaz Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:25:00 - [52] well obviously a fleet only consisting of rokhs wouldnt be that optimal ^^, was more thinking of their innate caldari training population (which probably is decent sized) Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Floppy Disk GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:07:00 - [53] Originally by: Logan Williams Just my two isk. Yeah I really like the versatility that the new BSs offer. Though, personally I hate going slow so I'm a small ship person. AFs/Intys/Recons (almost too slow :( ) and comedy typhoon for me also, sup Logan
Urikko GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:18:00 - [54] We have entirely too many Caldari biatches. So yeah, this will help us.
Logan Williams Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.28 04:00:00 - [55] Originally by: Floppy Disk Originally by: Logan Williams Just my two isk. Yeah I really like the versatility that the new BSs offer. Though, personally I hate going slow so I'm a small ship person. AFs/Intys/Recons (almost too slow :( ) and comedy typhoon for me also, sup Logan QFT <3 Frigates Originally by: Logan Williams Cry CYVOK and let slip the geeks of diplomacy
BuSHiDo ZiN GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 04:14:00 - [56] Originally by: Randay Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike also vet in a rokh firing spike != vet in a thron firing spike I don't know any raven vets who also have 15m in gunnery and hybrids :P sup.
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2006.07.28 05:13:00 - [57] Originally by: Randay I don't know any raven vets who also have 15m in gunnery and hybrids :P o/ King Liu is RIGHT!!
Rift Scorn Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:11:00 - [58] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Originally by: Randay I don't know any raven vets who also have 15m in gunnery and hybrids :P o/ \o Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
Corphus Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.28 12:38:00 - [59] Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike the vet will do twice the dmg tho
Jiara Castoumi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:35:00 - [60] all very well and good.. but has anyone considered cost into the factor? - Contract Accountancy Service -
Ismern GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 15:11:00 - [61] Originally by: Corphus Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike the vet will do twice the dmg tho But the vet will be outnumbered 5:1 :) Oh, and not everyone in GS is a newb in the sense of having under 1m SP. I've been around this game for quite a bit myself and have cross-trained both Gallente and Caldari so the Rokh seems like it could be a nice addition. ----------------------------------------------------------- "It's not that I'm lazy . . . It's that I just don't care."
Vice Royy Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:07:00 - [62] Edited by: Vice Royy on 28/07/2006 21:07:45 Originally by: Ismern Originally by: Corphus Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike the vet will do twice the dmg tho But the vet will be outnumbered 5:1 :) And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. It was seen hows goon gangs (~15) run when they were fighting 2 GOOD PvPers. Nothing will help them, some goon spams here making me laugh. Forum wariors.
FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:19:00 - [63] Originally by: Vice Royy Edited by: Vice Royy on 28/07/2006 21:07:45 Originally by: Ismern Originally by: Corphus Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike the vet will do twice the dmg tho But the vet will be outnumbered 5:1 :) And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. It was seen hows goon gangs (~15) run when they were fighting 2 GOOD PvPers. Nothing will help them, some goon spams here making me laugh. Forum wariors. Do you get angry much? Forum Warriors are good for one thing, laughs. And you make me laugh.
Eloryan Persago Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:40:00 - [64] At the moment March newbies (ones without portraits on this here forum cough) are getting into T1 Battleships, I would say by the time the ship comes out most will be T2 Weaponary capable. Also I am more interested in the price really, I am guessing around ~130mil average retail for one, now with the Turret Points and the tank, who is going to buy a hulk anymore? Anyway, the ship will definately be handy, I am more depressed Gallente did not get a Scorpion-Like Sensor Dampening ship, sort of an anti-sniper to counter this ship _________________________________________ Anything posted by this character does not represent Goonfleet and/or Goonswarm, anything said which may offend you was probably said because I meant it
Treylis Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 22:44:00 - [65] Originally by: Vice Royy And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. It was seen hows goon gangs (~15) run when they were fighting 2 GOOD PvPers. Nothing will help them, some goon spams here making me laugh. Forum wariors. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure we lose every fight where we outnumber the enemy 15:1. Good heavens, sometimes I'm not sure if you people even believe yourselves.
Kalixa Hihro	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:46:00 - [66] Originally by: The Mittani Alektorophobia are anything but low-sp. /signed /----------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ My opinion in no way represents that of my corp or anyone I am associated with, and is probably entirely wrong.
Cap Jonaz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:21:00 - [67] Edited by: Cap Jonaz on 29/07/2006 17:21:11 Originally by: Vice Royy And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. Goons are noobs, good one. Me and my t2 rails are eagerly awaiting the release of the new Caldari BS :) ------ --------------------- "But Goonswarm now thier true hidden Personalities are out have represented to me all that is wrong with internet gaming" - NereSky
Hisa Me	Posted - 2006.07.30 11:44:00 - [68] Whys everyone so paranoid about what the goons are doing? Oh noes they can shoot there guns further with new battle ships!!1! wow cool, now run for your lives! and hide your wifes ....
Idunyken Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.07.30 13:09:00 - [69] uhm, I dunno if this has been changed or not but last I checked the caldari teir 3 has only has 6 turret slots. Sure it's going to have range but the gallente teir three looks like it'll still be better to me. About the 'it's going to be easier to snipe with lower skills' I reiterate the point many have made that t1 long range ammo does very little damage compared to t2. And on the empire low-sec front short range BS that can actually tackle their prey and tank the sentries will still be more deadly.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.30 13:35:00 - [70] If indeed it allows people without T2 gun skills to get to 249km range, it is a boost to goons, as well as everybody else without the inclination to learn T2 gun skills. And yes, T2 gun skills will do a lot more damage at that long range, but its still good to be able to reach at least that far, even if an opponent with more skills still has a distinct advantage. At least the frustration about your enemies always being out of range is gone then
Idunyken Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.07.30 13:44:00 - [71] Originally by: Malachon Draco If indeed it allows people without T2 gun skills to get to 249km range, it is a boost to goons, as well as everybody else without the inclination to learn T2 gun skills. And yes, T2 gun skills will do a lot more damage at that long range, but its still good to be able to reach at least that far, even if an opponent with more skills still has a distinct advantage. At least the frustration about your enemies always being out of range is gone then and replaced by the frustration of not being able to do enough damage to kill them before they kill you
Mister Qwerty GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:04:00 - [72] Originally by: Idunyken and replaced by the frustration of not being able to do enough damage to kill them before they kill you I have a hunch that DPS won't be as big of an issue when there are like 20 Rokhs in gang.
Ghitza	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:37:00 - [73] Originally by: Cap Jonaz Edited by: Cap Jonaz on 29/07/2006 17:21:11 Originally by: Vice Royy And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. Goons are noobs, good one. Me and my t2 rails are eagerly awaiting the release of the new Caldari BS :) ------ Sir, please show me who is good PvPer in GF. I havent seen any, and ive fought with you for around 4 months. Its not a flame its just normal observation. Ive fogught with other guys and seen their skills in playing. You can say BOB guys are good in PvP and mostly they know what to do but GF ppl are just to simple to kill even in blobs (yes its sniping time with bubles). Sir, give me names.
Ast3r0iD Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:45:00 - [74] Originally by: Mister Qwerty Originally by: Idunyken and replaced by the frustration of not being able to do enough damage to kill them before they kill you I have a hunch that DPS won't be as big of an issue when there are like 20 Rokhs in gang. The thing i see most interesting in its fleet uses are its defensive capabilities. With the right economic backing you could build your own t1 rokh, t1 guns, t1 ammo and t1 fitting and STILL be effective in fleet combat. Sure you wont be AS good, but you could have a stockpile of ships that could be built there that as soon as you die you could get back in. Add to this the fact that with a t1 fitting and the insurance gap each ship will cost you around 20 mil if its popped and fleet combat just got cheap and easy in a defensive position.
Y Ashanti	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:08:00 - [75] The 40%+ damage advantage you get from t2 ammo is still gonna be well worth it though. At closer range, Rokhs (with t2 guns, ammo and what-not) are gonna be even more devastating with all those EW slots though.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:44:00 - [76] Originally by: Ghitza Sir, please show me who is good PvPer in GF. I don't want to give you names, but even goons have people with excellent kill:death ratios, and we have a few members who specialise in soloing interceptors whilst flying t1 frigates.
Smith Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:47:00 - [77] Edited by: Smith on 30/07/2006 17:50:43 One thing I learnt from over 3 years of eve...what ship you have doesn't mean alot if you don't have a good FC.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.30 18:00:00 - [78] Edited by: Crivens on 30/07/2006 18:02:54 Originally by: Smith Edited by: Smith on 30/07/2006 17:50:43 One thing I learnt from over 3 years of eve...what ship you have doesn't mean alot if you don't have a good FC. Do you think a roving gang can be effective without a (good) cov-ops? My experience is somewhat smaller than yours, but I have found that excellent warp ins tend to be more decisive (or devastating, if you're on the recieving end) than who is leading the gang itself. Though now I think about it, that's a rather "short term" view, when I suppose the FC has to work over a longer period than that. (to clarify, this is somewhat tangental to your comment- i'm not suggesting a good cov-ops makes up for having a terrible FC)
DeadDuck Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.30 18:00:00 - [79] Originally by: Smith Edited by: Smith on 30/07/2006 17:50:43 One thing I learnt from over 3 years of eve...what ship you have doesn't mean alot if you don't have a good FC. So true.
Gareth Brynne GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.30 18:35:00 - [80] Edited by: Gareth Brynne on 30/07/2006 18:36:02 Originally by: Vice Royy Edited by: Vice Royy on 28/07/2006 21:07:45 Originally by: Ismern Originally by: Corphus Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike the vet will do twice the dmg tho But the vet will be outnumbered 5:1 :) And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. It was seen hows goon gangs (~15) run when they were fighting 2 GOOD PvPers. Nothing will help them, some goon spams here making me laugh. Forum wariors. LOL GS noobs. You really need to open your eyes. One day, we won't be "noobs" any longer. The SP of our pilots keep going up, ya know, and the past month or so has been one gigantic PvP marathon the promises to continue for awhile longer. We also don't really care if we lose 10 T1 frigates to knock out T2 laden HACs and BSes. To get back on track, I severely dislike sniping. All it does is make fleet combat into a series of warp in and warp out type strategies, each fleet attempting to get on top of the other and hope to snipe a handful of ships. Now it will be that much easier because Caldari can do it without having to train the arduous skill path that is T2 large guns. They might not be as damaging as a fleet of T2 snipers, but there can be way more of them at cheaper costs.
Idunyken Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.07.30 18:37:00 - [81] Originally by: Crivens Edited by: Crivens on 30/07/2006 18:02:54 Originally by: Smith Edited by: Smith on 30/07/2006 17:50:43 One thing I learnt from over 3 years of eve...what ship you have doesn't mean alot if you don't have a good FC. Do you think a roving gang can be effective without a (good) cov-ops? My experience is somewhat smaller than yours, but I have found that excellent warp ins tend to be more decisive (or devastating, if you're on the recieving end) than who is leading the gang itself. Though now I think about it, that's a rather "short term" view, when I suppose the FC has to work over a longer period than that. (to clarify, this is somewhat tangental to your comment- i'm not suggesting a good cov-ops makes up for having a terrible FC) You're getting there.
Ast3r0iD Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:03:00 - [82] Originally by: Gareth Brynne To get back on track, I severely dislike sniping. All it does is make fleet combat into a series of warp in and warp out type strategies, each fleet attempting to get on top of the other and hope to snipe a handful of ships. Quote: TBH it doesn't really matter what you like. Its about game mechanics changes and sometimes that overwhelmes skill. If you can ignore tom cruises shoddy acting long enough to watch the last samuri you'll get the idea of what kali will bring. The longer range fights become, the less skill is involved and it really does become compleatly intertwined with the skill of the fleet commander and his cov ops, knowing when and where to commit.
mynnna Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 20:59:00 - [83] Originally by: Ast3r0iD Originally by: Gareth Brynne To get back on track, I severely dislike sniping. All it does is make fleet combat into a series of warp in and warp out type strategies, each fleet attempting to get on top of the other and hope to snipe a handful of ships. Quote: TBH it doesn't really matter what you like. Its about game mechanics changes and sometimes that overwhelmes skill. If you can ignore tom cruises shoddy acting long enough to watch the last samuri you'll get the idea of what kali will bring. The longer range fights become, the less skill is involved and it really does become compleatly intertwined with the skill of the fleet commander and his cov ops, knowing when and where to commit. Unless they nerf range, like has been rumored before. :P
ShadowImage Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.30 21:14:00 - [84] Originally by: Vice Royy And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Vice%20Royy Hmmm. Originally by: Ghitza Sir, please show me who is good PvPer in GF. I havent seen any, and ive fought with you for around 4 months. http://killboard.goonfleet.com//player/Ghitza Hmmm. Perhaps you two are both thinking of a different goonfleet of some sort? Because it's either that, or you both have no idea what you're talking about, and you're just trolling. Anyone want to take wagers on which of these options is true? I've combed through my own statistics, and I can't seem to find either one of you anywhere on them. http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/ShadowImage Either way, yes, I am a noob. Yes, I have killed many vets. Yes, I have died to many vets. However, since the vets are the only people who count, I'll direct you to an EVE Mail I received from one of the most respectable enemies I've ever encountered. This is from a BOB/Evolution guy who came at me 1 on 1 in NM-OEA not long ago: Quote: 2006.06.13 04:10 Nice job. Was out looking to play and you gave it to me. Good fair kill. You two could learn a lot from this type of player.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.30 21:38:00 - [85] I think overall this ship WILL be a boost to lower SP players, and certainly make it a bit more interesting for fleets that previously could attack at 200km+ without much risk. Whether it is a boost for goons in particular though remains to be seen. In my opinion Goons will fall back to there T1 frig roots as soon as they are faced with any organised opposing force, and try win on the economic front. Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that the ships goons can fly is quite diverse. But there strategy to date has been based around the use of cheap T1 ships allowing them to claim victory even in defeat, I don't see that changing in the near future. Happy to be proved wrong though :)
Alvinas GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.30 21:51:00 - [86] Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:54:49 Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:51:34 Originally by: Ghitza Sir, give me names. Since you simply MUST have proof http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Isaac%20Jordik/kills http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Cefte/kills I think you'll see some nice solo kills by both of these guys. Cefte is known for solo'ing things quite well in just a Rifter.
PC5 Bermuda Syndrome	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:14:00 - [87] Originally by: Alvinas Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:54:49 Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:51:34 Originally by: Ghitza Sir, give me names. Since you simply MUST have proof http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Isaac%20Jordik/kills http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Cefte/kills I think you'll see some nice solo kills by both of these guys. Cefte is known for solo'ing things quite well in just a Rifter. Excuse me but this guy is lame. It dosent matter if he even have zilion kills. Hes using 2 WCSes on Vagabond. Proof or STFU? Killmail One WCS in cargo. That guy is "OMG NO". But im more than happy if i see that someone from GF is doing solo/smal group PvP. Keep it up, you need better ppl.
Tetsujin Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:30:00 - [88] It never fails. Someone always sees a warp core stabilizer and screams 'LAME!' You use hardeners to protect against damage, if you're a fast ship you use an afterburner or a microwarp drive to increase spead and counteract the tracking of enemy turrets, how is using a countermeasure to electronic warfare any different? Don't answer that because your answer would be silly.
Cattraknoff Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:32:00 - [89] Well, seeing as CCP is nerfing WCS in combat, it seems the game developers themselves disagree with you.
ShadowImage Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:33:00 - [90] Originally by: PC5 Originally by: Alvinas Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:54:49 Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:51:34 Originally by: Ghitza Sir, give me names. Since you simply MUST have proof http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Isaac%20Jordik/kills http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Cefte/kills I think you'll see some nice solo kills by both of these guys. Cefte is known for solo'ing things quite well in just a Rifter. Excuse me but this guy is lame. It dosent matter if he even have zilion kills. Hes using 2 WCSes on Vagabond. Proof or STFU? Killmail One WCS in cargo. That guy is "OMG NO". But im more than happy if i see that someone from GF is doing solo/smal group PvP. Keep it up, you need better ppl. I hate to feed the trolls and further derail this thread, but what's so bad about stabs? You seem to like them yourself. http://killboard.goonfleet.com/mail/2600 http://killboard.goonfleet.com/mail/6615 I think I'd probably say that solo fighting a stab would be a stupid move. It doesn't even matter if he has a zillion kills. That's not a statement made out of intelligence, that's a statement made out of bitterness.
Ast3r0iD Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:59:00 - [91] Nothing to do with this thread. Posting killboard links is lame. If you have nothing relevant to say dont post.
Ismern GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.31 14:53:00 - [92] Those killboard links were relevant because people are making assumptions and generalizations when they have no proof. Those killmail prove points being made. ----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken. Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left.
Ast3r0iD Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Ismern Those killboard links were relevant because people are making assumptions and generalizations when they have no proof. Those killmail prove points being made. Quote: Posting killmails, killboard links or screenshots of killboards will be considered as trolling or off-topic, and subject to removal or warning. Read the rules. Anyways i'm going to stop feeding you and i advise others to do the same.
Ismern GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:11:00 - [94] Originally by: Ast3r0iD Read the rules. Anyways i'm going to stop feeding you and i advise others to do the same. Haha, I love it when people get all high and mighty on themselves. Anyways, away from the trolls and back on topic. Those who haven't fought us shouldn't make generalizations. Just because someone only has a million skill points doesn't mean they can't be good at PvP. Oh, and the ability for low SP pilots to hit out past 200km is valuable despite having lower DPS. ----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken. Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left.
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet	Posted - 2006.07.31 18:24:00 - [95] Originally by: Ismern Those who haven't fought us shouldn't make generalizations. Just because someone only has a million skill points doesn't mean they can't be good at PvP. Oh, and the ability for low SP pilots to hit out past 200km is valuable despite having lower DPS. Furthermore, just because someone has 10 million SP doesn't make them good at PvP. We've seen that often enough to know its truth. As long as people keep underestimating the power of frigate blobs and newer characters, we'll keep popping like Roddenberry's best. Or something.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.01 09:12:00 - [96] If this is what it takes to get them to fly Battleships then I'm all for it.
hired goon Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.01 09:26:00 - [97] Originally by: Ismern Those who haven't fought us shouldn't make generalizations. Well then, looks like I got here just in time! -omg-

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