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Papa Doc	Posted - 2003.10.06 20:18:00 - [1] After the loss of a ship of an disabled player ingame that could`t defend her self that good in helpchannel or in posting proof that the ship was lost cause of a failure in game mechanics and she was`t able to make it stick cause she lacks in spelling what the hell is wrong with you polaris i asked for help cause she can`t do it !! The mail i got back form that green textured polaris guy was uncalled for and shows again that some polaris still think the job is easy and delt with by insulting somebody that is disabled. She could`t make her case stick due to her health and mental condition.But the repley from one Polaris was if she can curse she can type a report to. And yes she can curse like anybody else duuh why would a disabled person not be able to curse but it does`t mean she can type well or use spelling correct if she curses?? Well she can`t. I sometimes can`t even tell head and tales from her typing. But be so cheap bout it and discriminating about the disabled tics me realy of. Second i want to pointout is what does CCP need to get players proof that they lost there ship due to gamemechanic failures. posting chatlogs with event time screenshots that does`t show NPC only two ships and ohter ship blows. how the heck can we do that if you keep changing the policy on that. Each day i find systems that have roidfields in the middle of gridcrossings. In the system iam now on roidfield is even in atleast 3 or 4 differant grids cause its located in a crossing. Is that cause you can`t figure how to use X.Y.Z points ?? If that is the case don`t blame loss of ships cause of theese gamemechanic failures to paying players. How i figured that out was the hard way i did`t loose my ship but got attacked first by 4NPC then 3 more joined from ohter grid and then 5 ohters came in also. So what is wrong with that picture. If iam ranting its ok i don`t care just need to say my word bout hits and comeup for somebody who is`t able to cause of her spelling(don`t even know if my spelling is that good) P.S if i get flamed or whatever i don`t care. You al can even make me a carebear. But i stick to my gamefriends and try to defend em in any matter in the game. Darn we are not even from the same continent and she asked me already what game to move to lol nice going CCP 4 accounts again to the drain.
ga'ia	Posted - 2003.10.06 20:44:00 - [2] logserver, a bundle of ss, 3453 of your friends with logserver and ss from them aswell and petition spamming for a couple of days from all of you , then maybe you¦ll get back whats lost ;P __________________________________________________________
Papa Doc	Posted - 2003.10.06 20:48:00 - [3] Quote: logserver, a bundle of ss, 3453 of your friends with logserver and ss from them aswell and petition spamming for a couple of days from all of you , then maybe you¦ll get back whats lost ;P hmm i would but iam from a differant country then that she is and she is disabled. i would`t even know how to explain the logserver to her
Archon Stormrage	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:00:00 - [4] If they really did take the **** knowing she is disabled thats disgusting. As for getting the ship back thats not so easy in all situtations, logging off in battle can look the same as a CTD as its client/server perspective so logserver is the main way and I doubt many bother running it while playing.
Nootami	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:06:00 - [5] Well i lost my ship to gate rats while i was paying the pizza guy because my AUTOPILOT TURNED OFF, and the GM rationalized this by telling me it was my fault and that gate pirates had Stasis Webifiers. How many of you have been webbed by NPC gate pirates? Originally by: Cortex Reaver [22:39:59] [Oi]Nootami1 joined channel [22:40:02] [Oi]Nootami1 quit Oh,look! Someone joined for a whopping .3 seconds! -CR
Papa Doc	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:06:00 - [6] Quote: If they really did take the **** knowing she is disabled thats disgusting. As for getting the ship back thats not so easy in all situtations, logging off in battle can look the same as a CTD as its client/server perspective so logserver is the main way and I doubt many bother running it while playing. CCP does`t know that so i can`t blame em polaris did. and i gonna bump this untill somebody from polaris reads it or Pann. I had nummerous players ingame supporting me in this. Let the whole eve universe know Hope CCP will rewrite the rules a bit on acepting Polaris volunteers into eve SO Bump bump bump
Hippey	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:10:00 - [7] I'll admit the CS in this game is total horse**. I mean you file a petition about a grid exploit, sorry can't do nothing about it. Petition about losing a ship due to CLEAR game fault, sorry can't do nothing, have no proof. What the hell CAN you do? And I must say your logs are a Piece of CAPITAL Sh1t. Why do you even run them? The only way to get items in this game is get to your whole corp to threaten to quit the game if you are not reimbursed. It seems to work. People threaten and * about the scope, boom, canceled. People * and whine about their 6 year old who should stay the hell away from mature boards, boom, language filter. ***, whine and THREATEN, that's the key to getting results. ------------------------------------------- If you kill them, they will die! Sport the war, war support The sport is war, total war When victory's really a massacre. The final swing is not a drill It's how many people I can kill!
pooti	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:10:00 - [8] The other day I was hunting NPCs in a not-so-well fit for the job BB. Found a spawn of three Deps (20k), was on the second when I suddenly wandered into the next grid and everything went away. I turned around and went back, figuring I would be OK. Well, the field came back, as well as the NPCs...but the NPCs were 10km. They webbed and disrupted me, which wouldn't be a problem..except I couldn't lock them! Luckily I had a corpmate in the next system to come and free me. But oh man. That was retarded.
Dworak	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:11:00 - [9] Edited by: Dworak on 06/10/2003 23:09:54 They dont replace lost stuff due to errors with the game mechanics.. but they give out free BPs to certain corporations for their "trouble". As long as online games have a volunteer "staff" they wont be fair.
Papa Doc	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:18:00 - [10] Thanks for the support al of you. Some things i will do some i wil not. Only thing i want is things to go right. I know stuff is`t going well sometimes building failing gamemechanics but don`t state in mails or CS that it is a technical problem caused by players system. (guess i must have he same faulty system then) And maybee CCP can give al players that have faulty systems new ones Cause we prolly al have bad systems then ??
Macumba	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:24:00 - [11] They don't replace anything. They consult their 'logs' but these 'logs' (even if they exist) never prove anything. If you've lost your ship its your tough ** I'm afraid. It doesn't matter whether its through a bug, lag or an exploit, they don't give a *. "PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf*
Papa Doc	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:28:00 - [12] Quote: They don't replace anything. They consult their 'logs' but these 'logs' (even if they exist) never prove anything. If you've lost your ship its your tough ** I'm afraid. It doesn't matter whether its through a bug, lag or an exploit, they don't give a . Mate of me lost her ship i did`t. But what got me **ed is the lack of helping somebody that is disabled and can`t comeup for her self. Even when i explained it to polaris. Without her knowing. Like i said i stick whit my game mates and help and support em ingame and outside if iam able.
Fetty Chico	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:45:00 - [13] Edited by: Fetty Chico on 06/10/2003 21:46:18 run the logserver program that why you have some sort of proof sry, didnt notice someones said that the logserver ------------------------------------------------ Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly. If this world was supposed to be friendly CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons
Acix	Posted - 2003.10.06 22:08:00 - [14] Edited by: Acix on 06/10/2003 22:09:38 I went round and round with emails trying to get a ship replaced. They fully admit that thier logs are useless. BUt they say that they are getting better each day. The responce I got and one of my corp mates got was, if we replace one ship regardless of the situation we would have everyone running around in battleships. Both were horrible game mechanics bugs that rendered the player totally unaware that anything was really happening. I mean really did you know that your ship could explode in warp? Warp you backwards to the spot you started from, even tho you had half of you armor left and most all of your structure still intact on your screen. SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts. For more info click below http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313
Papa Doc	Posted - 2003.10.06 22:14:00 - [15] Edited by: Papa Doc on 06/10/2003 22:15:41 Quote: Edited by: Acix on 06/10/2003 22:09:38 I went round and round with emails trying to get a ship replaced. They fully admit that thier logs are useless. BUt they say that they are getting better each day. The responce I got and one of my corp mates got was, if we replace one ship regardless of the situation we would have everyone running around in battleships. Both were horrible game mechanics bugs that rendered the player totally unaware that anything was really happening. I mean really did you know that your ship could explode in warp? Warp you backwards to the spot you started from, even tho you had half of you armor left and most all of your structure still intact on your screen. i know that but what got me ticked is the fact of insulting somebody ingame that is disabled. And even knowing it cause i explained it to him/her. But atleast the polaris was smart enough not go convo with me bout it. But everybody can know now.
Halo Jones	Posted - 2003.10.07 07:32:00 - [16] Edited by: Halo Jones on 07/10/2003 07:50:42 Hope this all got happily worked out. I am sure the polaris staff, were not taking the **** on purpose, knowing that your friend was disabled. I have only ever found the Polaris staff helpful - if somewhat lacking in game knowledge. EDIT- Except for the fact they keep deleting my forum signature - something i would love to know the reason for! Oberon Incorporated.
t00r	Posted - 2003.10.07 08:05:00 - [17] i lost a ship & sent them screenshots CLEARLY showing the bug, after 10 days i heard nothing, not even a "its in a que" mail reply, so i posted it on this forum & a GM said remail it, so i did, and after another week i recieved the "how well did we do" mail back... like... i hadnt even got a reply yet, then i was told the email system also had bugs. After they looked at the screenshots, i was also told there was nothing they could do. The logs system is really none existand, its pretend. There IS NO support for this game whatsoever, and when u do get it .. its sarcastic comments that dont really mean anything. I havnt even bothered getting another ship yet, cause tbqf, its too much grief. i repeat: the support for this game is NON EXISTANT. Good luck in getting your ship back. __________________________________________ 1.9 How can I participate in beta testing EVE?
Hyundai	Posted - 2003.10.07 08:13:00 - [18] how well did we do" mail back right laff ccp support sux dont waste your time move on...... " I wasnt aware of this..."
Khar'du	Posted - 2003.10.07 08:15:00 - [19] Edited by: Khar'du on 07/10/2003 08:17:08 Some advice here: don't bother trying to get your ship back. You will not get it, and that's final. I've lost more then three ships now due to different issues. Once to the x-grid thingy, once due to unprovoked police attack and at least twice due to buggy/laggy post-warp loading. All these events were visible in my logs and in CCP's logs. But in no case my loss was reimbursed, even though at one instance the GM's confirmed it was due to a bug. So dont bother petitioning. You might be able to get a decent tech2 BP out of this if you strike up a convo with an undercover GM or something. Let's just all try that instead. Track and hunt GM's and spam 'em with convo's till they drop the nice stuff !
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.10.07 08:18:00 - [20] Edited by: Drethen Nerevitas on 07/10/2003 08:18:39 I heard that if you get caught exploiting you get a free trip to Jove space to admire the lines on TomBs' battleship. You could try that, too. Sorry Doc, you can try bugging CCP, but I doubt you'll get a ship back. Then again, you never know. _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Hyundai	Posted - 2003.10.07 08:19:00 - [21] asssssss lick enough youll get somthing " I wasnt aware of this..."
t00r	Posted - 2003.10.07 08:22:00 - [22] Quote: asssssss lick enough youll get somthing Its funny u should say that, but unfortunately im not the brown tongued type. __________________________________________ 1.9 How can I participate in beta testing EVE?
Cormyat Astara	Posted - 2003.10.07 08:39:00 - [23] Back in my early days, I lost a MOA from the exactl same grid bug...I ran out of a grid, and turned around, went back into the grid I'd been in, got warp scrambled, and couldn't target the Nullifiers. I filed a petition and was bluntly told "that's why we implemented insurance." Thanks CCP! I hadn't realized that the insurance was there to protect me from CCP. Perhaps a disclaimer?
Main	Posted - 2003.10.07 09:02:00 - [24] Papadoc, what ship did she lose? I am sure i can sort something out for her. Main Everlasting Vendetta Veteran Member of the Stain Alliance
Zodiac Laserstorm	Posted - 2003.10.07 10:34:00 - [25] Sounds funny, specially because it's polaris in the HC that keep bugging people to report lost stuff. So did she ever try to send a petition or email or whetever they told you to do
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.10.07 10:46:00 - [26] And I lost another 7 million in a courier mission that 'vanished'. For 10 days or so the GM looked over logs. Final conclusion, you are screwed. I am batting 2 losses out of 3 escapades with CCP and logs not showing where stuff ends up. Worst part is, there is nothing I can do. I have to sit and take it. Losing a ship against an NPC, at least I know what happened to my stuff; I died. But in courier missions that go haywire, you are just out of luck because their logs do not show nothing. Agent Shield
Makkar	Posted - 2003.10.07 11:18:00 - [27] When you petition, it's like some kind of inquest. FFS, Polaris guys, it's a game. It's not like you're handing over the crown jewels even if you give someone a replacement battleship when they lied and only lost a frigate. There's only a few times an account can get away with that before Polaris can legitimately say "Fuq off you're cheating." I think the main problem people have with providing sufficient proof is that they've not got a buddy in Polaris who's got a GM friend to flange for them.
Cmd Sisko	Posted - 2003.10.07 11:26:00 - [28] Well according to my friend who just recently lost a scorpian bs to 0.0 npc pirites after only having it for 2 days due to the game dropping to desktop and he couldnt get back in. so he had to shut eve down, then restart it. he already had low shields bf it droped to desktop so when he got back ingame his ship was destroyed. he petitioned it and the gm's took about a week to finnally say According to our logs u disconnected 2mins after ur ship was destroyed. so ur story dont match with our logs. weird thing is. dont it take 2 mins after u exit eve for ur ship to disappear? and another thing is. he got droped to desktop. he could not help that. Gm's just say our logs dont show that because they have no idea what happened. i lost a megathron bs due to bs and never got helped. its a sad thing. u see more and more ppl quit eve nowadays. but i heard from another friend a gm pretty much said this to him we get around 100 customers a day, so 1 customer quitting isnt much of a loss to us.
Ragnar Lodbrog	Posted - 2003.10.07 11:33:00 - [29] Hmm, not all is bad. I lost my ship together with some hi-end fittings. Had a CTD during combat with 4 low-lvl pirats. Problem was that everytime i got back on, i CTD¦ed again. Eventually my ship was blown up. I then made a petition about it. 4 days later i got a new ship together with the modules, that was lost (i.e. one from my corp rescued the rest). So if your story is telling the same as CCP log, you will get your ship and modules back.
Cmd Sisko	Posted - 2003.10.07 11:42:00 - [30] this is how it goes. GM 1 - ok. we got 40 ppl claiming their ships got blown up due to bugs. GM 2 - hmm. ok. lets throw those names in a hat and draw 2 people's names out and replace there stuff. GM 3 - Once in a blue moon rite? Gm's all agree. Its a 1 in a million chance a gm would actually replace a lost ship. u just gotta be one of those ppl they draw from that hat

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