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arkarsk GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:29:00 - [31] Edited by: arkarsk on 28/07/2006 01:29:31 You BoB guys thinking that GS will end up as one of those 'semi-dead' alliances are probably going to be dissapointed by the end of this. Now, i speak of my own opinion, but yes, i think we will probably lose CR if you assault us there, you are the most powerful alliance in the game afterall. However, us Goons have an out of game bond that simply cannot be compared to the bonds many of those 'semi-dead' alliances you speak of share. As noted in other threads, most goons dont play eve with goons, they play goons with eve (yes that makes sense in my mind). Edit: Originally by: Degaal Valen When all of BoB isn't busy with their supermodel girlfriends or reigning terror down on unsuspecting video game players who wins the kickboxing tournaments? lollin at dis
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Degaal Valen Originally by: ProphetGuru We're not like anyone you have ever fought. When all of BoB isn't busy with their supermodel girlfriends or reigning terror down on unsuspecting video game players who wins the kickboxing tournaments? This deserves its own thread, with pics. Can I join BOB? ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
ProphetGuru Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Degaal Valen Originally by: ProphetGuru We're not like anyone you have ever fought. When all of BoB isn't busy with their supermodel girlfriends or reigning terror down on unsuspecting video game players who wins the kickboxing tournaments? Valid question. TWD wins most tournaments for us. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
DeltaH Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:42:00 - [34] You think the Goons stand a chance to hold conquerable space when BoB attacks? ---
John Moscroft GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:46:00 - [35] Originally by: ProphetGuru We're not like anyone you have ever fought. If you want, you can go find out what happened to the last guys who decided that we'd get bored and leave when they decided to fall back and hide in npc stations. Sorry. We're still not afraid. And you can take that message to the gloaters in your forums, too. Okay, I'll bite. Exactly how are you so much better than all of the other alliances in this game? If you're so big about "getting fights", why haven't you declared war on ASCN? If you're so tough, why not do something other than just send gank squads all over the place and posting on the forums? BoB isn't an unstoppable superpower. You fly big fancy T2 ships just like everyone else. You use the same tactics as everyone else. Your drives get scrambled and your ships can be webbed. You think you can just will Goonswarm's destruction and we'll magically disappear? Your strategy will be just like everyone else's strategy - you'll camp the station and gank newbies in SU. Big freaking deal. You lock down systems and send in dreads. Big deal, so does D2. You're just like all the other alliances in this game except more people post threads about BoB. You can war us, and you'll just find out what D2 found out. Goonswarm does not die.
Cringeley Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Then a ranking Goonswarm member mocked the RL dead personal friend of a number of senior BoB. Then other goons started blaming BoB for getting upset about it. Mocking the dead might have blown over after a good thrashing if the mocker had been purged and the ONLY other words from Goonswarm on the issue were "we screwed up". But a LARGE number of goons have been VIGOROUSLY debating the point, rather than meekly conceeding the point. If you're talking about Tetsujin, he's not a ranking member at all. He's an ordinary goon who had something offensive in his sig, which was then dug up and posted here by BoB in an otherwise 100% friendly thread. If you're talking about the real ranking member of goonfleet who really made offensive jokes about Smoske in-game, then that happened long before goonfleet was created, and therefore can hardly be blamed on the rest of us. Let's call this what it is, an excuse designed to make BoB look like community white knights so they can fight a war they want to fight. -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:49:00 - [37] Even if BoB somehow "wins" in game, however you define "winning," their willingness to cheaply exploit the memories of their dead friends for political gain means they lose at life. The timing here is simply too perfect. The moment GoonSwarm starts to prove itself as a 0.0 alliance, the moment we actually begin to be a "player," drama from literal years ago is dredged up to excuse and "justify" BoB's attack on an up-and-coming power that could potentially be a threat to them down the road. Everyone in this game has known for a very long time that BoB took a machiavellian approach to the game and the forums. The only real surprise here is just how far they're willing to go. That said, I doubt anyone else will take advantage of this to attack BoB in the meanwhile. Most people who play this game don't go looking for trouble if they can avoid it. This war will probably drag on for a long while, and probably get even dirtier and grittier than it already has, because Goons don't like being slandered and the BoB leaders don't like being called on their bull****.
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:51:00 - [38] Edited by: Calenth on 28/07/2006 01:52:46 Originally by: John Moscroft Okay, I'll bite. Exactly how are you so much better than all of the other alliances in this game? If you're so big about "getting fights", why haven't you declared war on ASCN? If you're so tough, why not do something other than just send gank squads all over the place and posting on the forums? For the same reason they blow up everybody else's capital shipyards but don't blow up ASCN's. They aren't looking for fights they might lose. Attacking goonfleet now is fundamentally the same thing -- putting down an enemy now before it can become a serious threat later. It isn't about morality, indignation, offense, or apologies. It's about BoB throwing its weight around because they're scared of what we could become, and using their dead friends as a cheap excuse to do so. If they were just attacking us honestly I think a lot of us could still respect them. But as it is, this whole manufactured-rage bull**** just makes BoB look despicable.
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:52:00 - [39] Just fight ya slags, we're all waiting to see what happens!
Wodin Drukvik GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Then a ranking Goonswarm member mocked the RL dead personal friend of a number of senior BoB. Not that it really matters anymore, but Tetsujin was never a ranking anything, any more than the other 2500 or so people who are jokingly labeled Bee(the standard corp role). Quote: Then other goons started blaming BoB for getting upset about it. Mocking the dead might have blown over after a good thrashing if the mocker had been purged and the ONLY other words from Goonswarm on the issue were "we screwed up". But a LARGE number of goons have been VIGOROUSLY debating the point, rather than meekly conceeding the point. There are some debate positions that cannot be validly defended, not even with true information. The only thing that can be validly done is to meekly conceed. You only dig yourself into a hole by trying to debate (and the goons have been digging like mad). Ironically enough, the formal apology you asked was actually what happened initially. Tetsujin was stripped of his roles, both he(in a now-deleted thread) and the an official corp spokesperson(Cefte) apologized(in another now-deleted thread). Unfortunately, the apology was rather gruffly rejected, prompting other members of the corp to decide we were screwed anyways. They went on a mission to be as offensive as possible, and the fact that none of the threads exist anymore is a testament to their "success" in that regard. I don't particularly care for it - both the initial action and the wave of imitation that resulted were tasteless, insensitive, and generally unfunny. The gloating and smacktalk are equally reprehensible, and for every person you saw arguing for it, there was one arguing against it. Alas, what's done is done and it's too late now. The whole deal will end up being settled across lasers and warp bubbles. I honestly wish it could have turned out differently - PvP should be happening because both sides involved are looking for it and having a good time, regardless of propaganda or real life issues on either side. That obviously isn't the case in this particular conflict.
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:53:00 - [41] Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go again. <3 Abdalion in advance. ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
Zanon Xiu	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:55:00 - [42] man I swore eve would never have this type of player base like wow has. goons go back to wow , where you belong, where everyone smacktalks and makes tons of drama about it. Every post you make just iritates everyone else even more. I would not suprize me that d2 and bob actually group up together just to bash you guys so hard the only things youll ever fly are the newb ships new characters start out with
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:55:00 - [43] BoB can't 'destroy' us. When the Swarm doesn't fold and break instantly like their other targets have, things will get interesting for them; it does them no good to have 't1 frig n00bs' openly mocking their laughable attempts at intimidating us on the forums. Perhaps the rest of the eve community will eventually learn that you don't have to roll over and wet yourself when the local bully growls at you. If five alliances band together and drive us out of Cloud Ring, it's not a blow to our pride, as it took five alliances to do it. (Let's see. RAZOR, IRON, D2, RISE, FLA, BoB, that's six, let's maybe throw in CDC and FREEE and the other D2 vassals for good measure , 8 alliances?) For us, Cloud Ring is a pleasant accident that happened about six months ahead of schedule. Worst case scenario, we'll go back to Syndicate and wait a few months for Kali and Rokhs and a dread fleet of our own. BoB is welcome to follow us home to get bogged down in the corpses of hundreds of goons, just like all the other alliances that have tried to 'end us' and failed. This whole incident demonstrates that the average BoB player simply does not comprehend the life of a goon. With your usual carebear alliance, most of the people in it started out in Empire doing what Empire players do. PvP happens in 0.0 and deep down a lot of these guys are kind of scared of it, and they aren't entirely used to it. But goons have been baptised in fire and blood from day one. S-U is the biggest hellhole you'll find in 0.0 when it comes to hostiles preying on the unwary, and it's that environment from which we draw our strength. Unlike 'normal' alliances, goons don't get worried when some e-bully tells us 'hurr, we r gunna shot u' because people have been shooting at the little bees nonstop since the very moment that they began playing EVE.
Toffles GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Zanon Xiu Edited by: Zanon Xiu on 28/07/2006 01:58:19 man I swore eve would never have this type of player base like wow has. goons go back to wow , where you belong, where everyone smacktalks and makes tons of drama about it. Every post you make just iritates everyone else even more. I would not suprize me that d2 and bob actually group up together just to bash you guys so hard the only things youll ever fly are the newb ships new characters start out with p.s. what the hell is all this "politics " talk, you guys obessesd of being a persident or somthing? Someone mentions somthing and your all ZOMG politics. What do you wanna prove other than your speak the same rubbish all the time. You missed the part where they started it. D2 and BoB flame us and we flame back yet you conviently excuse them from the deal.
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Zanon Xiu man I swore eve would never have this type of player base like wow has. goons go back to wow , where you belong, where everyone smacktalks and makes tons of drama about it. Hey, awesome, I love random generalizations dripping with pretension. Go back to Furcadia or whatever bizarre e-universe caters to your overblown ego.
CrestoftheStars GoonFleet	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:04:00 - [46] Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 28/07/2006 02:04:34 Originally by: Sergeant Spot Then a ranking Goonswarm member mocked the RL dead personal friend of a number of senior BoB. Then other goons started blaming BoB for getting upset about it. Mocking the dead might have blown over after a good thrashing if the mocker had been purged and the ONLY other words from Goonswarm on the issue were "we screwed up". But a LARGE number of goons have been VIGOROUSLY debating the point, rather than meekly conceeding the point. There are some debate positions that cannot be validly defended, not even with true information. The only thing that can be validly done is to meekly conceed. You only dig yourself into a hole by trying to debate (and the goons have been digging like mad). I suspect the Goons will end up much like some of the "Not quite dead" Corps in game now, who live on only because they avoid actual combat and hug NPC station. Only the goons will be far less respected, not by Empire carebears, not by hardcore PvPers, and not even by pirates. He was not a ranking goonfleet member. He was a normal member. I think several goons have said by now that the times smoske comes up as a subject on our forums is in relation to trolling wkers like Randay who come in every single goonfleet thread and stir by posting a link to a thread from a year back which has nothing to do with 99.9% of us. These posts lead to a lot of derision on our forums. If it wasnt for these people who bring it up periodically I doubt most of our membership would even know about it. And yet I donÆt see BOB or any others putting down these *s in spite of them dragging up some guys death so they can win one over on our corp. As for comments said today in XZH, I would assume they were done as a ôf* youö to BOB in the heat of the moment. It was also only recently that a thread was posted on our forums saying that he might have relatives in XZH local. Now obviously that is very much crossing a line, and it has been discussed on our boards. As to the whole NPC thing I think you misunderstand us. We might retreat to our NPC holdings in the future who can tell, but it will not be to play station simulator mate. By this point I am getting tired of all this distasteful drama infringing on the fun of the game, lets just concentrate on blowing up each others ships okay.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Calenth Even if BoB somehow "wins" in game, however you define "winning," their willingness to cheaply exploit the memories of their dead friends for political gain means they lose at life. The timing here is simply too perfect. The moment GoonSwarm starts to prove itself as a 0.0 alliance, the moment we actually begin to be a "player," drama from literal years ago is dredged up to excuse and "justify" BoB's attack on an up-and-coming power that could potentially be a threat to them down the road. Everyone in this game has known for a very long time that BoB took a machiavellian approach to the game and the forums. The only real surprise here is just how far they're willing to go. That said, I doubt anyone else will take advantage of this to attack BoB in the meanwhile. Most people who play this game don't go looking for trouble if they can avoid it. This war will probably drag on for a long while, and probably get even dirtier and grittier than it already has, because Goons don't like being slandered and the BoB leaders don't like being called on their bull****. And the above is a classic case of exactly what I've been talking about. A ranking goon mocked the RL dead friend of a number of BoB, and whn BoB called the Goons on it, their "primary" response has been to blame BoB for calling them on it. After blaming BoB, many also do all they can to otherwise debate the issue, sometimes with completely true points. Anything but conceed that their guy screwed up BIG TIME. So Big, as to make all other details non-issues, true or not. So the Goons dig themselves deeper with an argument that they lose everytime they post any statement other than "We screwed up". As for in game, they'll lose there too. No matter what is said or done, the goons and their members know what happened, and it does make a difference in spite of anything they may say. Play nice while you Butcher each other
Toffles GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:09:00 - [48] Countdown to BoB losing more and more resources in the war yet not being able to pull out due to pride and eventually allying d2 in desperation.
CrestoftheStars GoonFleet	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:13:00 - [49] Originally by: Sergeant Spot A ranking goon mocked the RL dead friend of a number of BoB Proof that this idiot isnt even reading the posts. Was 3/4 of a page of people telling you he was a normal goon too small a hint?
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:13:00 - [50] Originally by: CrestoftheStars [I think several goons have said by now that the times smoske comes up as a subject on our forums is in relation to trolling wkers like Randay who come in every single goonfleet thread and stir by posting a link to a thread from a year back which has nothing to do with 99.9% of us. These posts lead to a lot of derision on our forums. If it wasnt for these people who bring it up periodically I doubt most of our membership would even know about it. And yet I donÆt see BOB or any others putting down these ***s in spite of them dragging up some guys death so they can win one over on our corp. Yeah, the total absence of any kind of apology from BoB for trolling all this onto the forums in the first place is very telling. Anyway. . .under the absolute best possible light for BoB, they invaded our private forums and dredged things that they didn't understand and that should've stayed there, onto the public eve forums, and made them HUGE GAME ISSUES when such matters should've stayed on the real life side of the line. And while Goons kept our jokes private, and apologized for what offense we gave, BoB's sole reaction so far is just even more self-righteous indignation.
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:14:00 - [51] help you. Originally by: Sergeant Spot A ranking goon mocked the RL dead friend of a number of BoB, and whn BoB called the Goons on it, their "primary" response has been to blame BoB for calling them on it. After blaming BoB, many also do all they can to otherwise debate the issue, sometimes with completely true points. Anything but conceed that their guy screwed up BIG TIME. So Big, as to make all other details non-issues, true or not. So the Goons dig themselves deeper with an argument that they lose everytime they post any statement other than "We screwed up". As for in game, they'll lose there too. No matter what is said or done, the goons and their members know what happened, and it does make a difference in spite of anything they may say. A) He's not a ranking member, never has been. Get this through your heads. B) We want to be the good guys, really. Please, can we be the cowboys to your indians? As I explained in the last locked thread: Quote: Here's the thing with Tetsujin, as I see it. His sig on our private forum was rather tasteless. He apologized, we punished him, et cetera. Seeing as how the issue was completely unrelated to the rest of us, we were satisfied by that resolution. BoB wasn't, and continued to brandish the old incident as a rallying cry against the lot of us. That made us angry. Here we were, completely severed from the offending party and they were still coming for us. "Oh God" we realized "now Tetsujin will never be brought to justice and we'll all die in his place." So we did what any reasonable, veldspar loving goon would do. We brought the sacrifice back to the altar. At the height of the confrontation, when BoB warps in on us we're planning to web and scramble him so he can't get away, and allow him to be torn to bits by the angry mob of BoB. After that's said and done, we plan to eject from our frigates and self destruct our pods as a massive sign of contrition for ever allowing ourselves to befriend such a monster on the internet. Hopefully that will satiate BoB's bloodlust and we will be allowed to return to the carebear lifestyle in XZH. See, we're doing this because we want to do the right thing. Help us help you.
Zanon Xiu	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:15:00 - [52] spot dont even bother to reply. They contradict themselves every time. they will pos that this is just an internet game n all and not to fuss and brag about it. then they fussing and bragging about it.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Toffles Countdown to BoB losing more and more resources in the war yet not being able to pull out due to pride and eventually allying d2 in desperation. Actually, I'd not be surprised if we make some temporary tactical alliances. Heck, I remember the GNW (Great Northern War), where standings changed a number of time during the conflict. Its expected. Predict the obvious and then claim it shows weakness all you want. In your case its NOT about crushing you by ourselves, its about crushing you. Unlike some other opponents we've had, we have no respect for you. (yes, we have voiced respect for opponents, even during wars, even when not all has gone our way. Its a novel concept......) Play nice while you Butcher each other
Cringeley Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Sergeant Spot A ranking goon mocked Are you even reading the god damned thread? It's true, a ranking goon made jokes about Smoske a long time ago before the rest of us had even started playing Eve. But that stopped. This "incident" did not involve a "ranking goon". It involved an ordinary goon with an offensive sig on our corp forums. Rather than not read our corp forums, or even ask us to deal with the guy, SirMolle decided to drag the matter out here, on the day of our pivotal action in Cloud Ring, and turn it into a war. Let me clarify, for the slightly punchdrunk: Tetsujin never held any rank with goonfleet. He was just an ordinary guy who happened to have something offensive in his sig. The thread where BoB chose to drag his private goonfleet.com sig onto these forums as an excuse for war was a thread he posted on his own initiative where he pointed out the link between the term "goonies" (used by mane eve-o posters to denote goons) and the 1980s movie "The Goonies". Highly charged stuff! Now you can smack all you want, for all I care, as long as you get the facts right. -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:15:00 - [55] Originally by: CrestoftheStars Originally by: Sergeant Spot A ranking goon mocked the RL dead friend of a number of BoB Proof that this idiot isnt even reading the posts. Was 3/4 of a page of people telling you he was a normal goon too small a hint? They're just looking for excuses to be angry. I don't think anyone in BoB has actually listened to a thing we've said all day, they were too busy stoking their e-rage.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:22:00 - [56] Originally by: Kryztal Out of respect for those that loved Smoske ive kept my mouth shut on the forums, you should think hard about doing them same GS people. He wasn't called smoske, smoske was a character in a game. He was a real person and he had a name and if you will talk about him you will use his NAME.
Cringeley Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Ok, even if not a ranking Goon, does not matter. Your only appropriate line is: "We screwed up BIG TIME". That's why Tetsujin apologised, then we apologised and kicked Tetsujin from the corp, and SirMolle declared that wasn't enough, so clearly there's going to be a fight no matter what we do. Make no mistake, if that's the way he wants it, we'll fight. Since you guys apparently spend so much time palling around in real life, kickboxing your supermodels &c you should probably do a better job of keeping your story straight. When we apologise and kick the perpetrator, and SirMolle rejects our apology, then you come on asking for an apology, you just end up looking like an idiot. -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:23:00 - [58] The IRON guy is making too much sense for his own good. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:25:00 - [59] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Ok, even if not a ranking Goon, does not matter. Your only appropriate line is: "We screwed up BIG TIME". Lines debating details are non-issues. Your position cannot be defended, not even with true points. Our screwups were private, and we apologized for any public screwups from the start. BoB, on the other hand, continues to drag this pointless drama all over the forums, and has yet to make even the slighest apology for what they have to admit was out line -- using a dead friend's memory to at best troll the forums and at worst machiavellianly manipulate game politics. BoB can say what they want, and they can do what they want, but what they can't do is pretend to have the moral high ground here. Not with the way they've dredged up things onto a public forum.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:27:00 - [60] THIS IS NOT HOW YOU TREAT THE MEMORY OF A LOVED ONE. That is all.

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