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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.07.28 12:05:00 -
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I laugh at people who want to use police, laws and hundreds of GM hours to fix a simple interface issue.
If there would be a "make the other ship explode" button, the same kind of people would debate endlessly how lame those evil exploiters are who click that button, and how GMs should ban them all. Then the same kinds of people would come here on the forums (well they would if they could bypass the ban) and whine how the griefers stopped griefing using the "iwin" button, but instead tricked the GMs into thinking that the other guys used it.
Oh and on topic - its good to see a dev responding to an extremely important interface issue. I would suggest a "no by default" temporary fix, and a longterm solution involving the reworking of the current pop-up box system, including a more detailed way to "auto-rejecet" (auto-reject convo, auto-reject gang invites, auto-reject gang invites with wars).
The current blocking system needs a rework, many new players think that someone with auto-reject (the interface issues make that a must if you undock) declined their conversation attempt and feel insulted etc even though there is actually no way to just say "no" to a convo without blocking someone. Switch the message boxes around so that autoreject generates a message sayin so - and allow for a "not now" option for convos instead of the useless ("yes, add to adress book").
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Victor Kruger
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Posted - 2006.07.28 12:25:00 -
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I am always ganged with an alt, first to make my drones behave properly and second to be safe from such crappy actions. If you don't have a secondary account running, you can simply invite a corpmate (even if he's at the other end of the galaxy ;)).
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Uther Doull
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.28 12:49:00 -
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i just blocked RA and the problem was over 
but yeah, just a simple ui change and it's fixed
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Adrielle Firewalker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.28 12:53:00 -
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Just stopping the window from grabbing focus would do it I think 
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Infrared Raven
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.07.28 12:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Victor Kruger
I am always ganged with an alt, first to make my drones behave properly and second to be safe from such crappy actions. If you don't have a secondary account running, you can simply invite a corpmate (even if he's at the other end of the galaxy ;)).
It actually doesn't matter. You still get gang invites, even if you are already in a gang.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: t20
I'll take a look at this
Default it to NO. Takes 5 minutes.
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Matthew Munro
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: t20
I'll take a look at this
Default it to NO. Takes 5 minutes.
Yikes, if it takes 5 minutes I'm scared, unless that includes finding the piece of code, even then it's a stretch
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voogru
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 28/07/2006 15:07:17
Originally by: Adrielle Firewalker
Just stopping the window from grabbing focus would do it I think
Nah, just make the default no.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:27:00 -
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The whole system modal dialog concept is so seriously flawed it makes me cry, and that's beyond EvE.
If it's so important that you need to inform someone IMMEDIATELY, when why add buttons that can be pressed by being in the process of typing random text to a text editor?
Defaulting to "no" just makes it less likely that you type the wrong button.
And for added insult usually there is no feedback on what exactly was just being told to you and what action you commanded.
I bet they don't have system modal dialogs on board of REAL space ships.
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: splattercat
Originally by: t20
I'll take a look at this
Haveing been lots of times gang spamed/convo spamed its REALY lame and annoying...
Maybe have a setting that only ppl in your address book can gang you?
You know, you can already do that. 
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trimdonite
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:39:00 -
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defaulting it to no will only solve half the problem. Stopping it from grabbing focus is better. That way you can't be spammed when your trying to get your pod out or enter won't select yes if your typing
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
Actually I am fairly sure that the DEVS have said that convoing someone during a fight using this tactics is bad and quite possible a bannable offence.
Don't remember when... but I am sure they said so.
Pretty sure too - but try and petition it...
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.07.28 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tachy on 28/07/2006 16:01:48
The devs and some GM said so in the help channel when questioned about that tactic.
Petition the lamers and get them banned for good.
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: splattercat
Originally by: t20
I'll take a look at this
Haveing been lots of times gang spamed/convo spamed its REALY lame and annoying...
Maybe have a setting that only ppl in your address book can gang you?
So, who wants to explain to him?
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2006.07.28 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: t20
I'll take a look at this
Default it to NO. Takes 5 minutes.
No separate programming task in a professional and commercial environment takes only 5 minutes for the dev. If it does you are slacking somewhere.
But default to no, or better, non-modalise and non-focus the window. Yes, please.
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Razean
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.28 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Taliena
i usually hang around hubs spamming random gang invites for my war targets to attack
but i never realised that the gang window a) takes precedence over the game window and
b) auto defaults its answer to yes. (all defaults should automatically select no imho)
Altho i know people get peeved when they get shot this way i don't think it should be
regarded as an exploit because they are warned about joining a warring gang :)
just my 0.02 isk
How could you not realize this? You've never received a gang invite? Sorry, I just can't believe you are truly that naive. So, not only are you despicable, you're also a liar.
And for the record, I have no qualms with despicable liars playing Eve, nor am I accusing you of any exploits. I do find deceptive PvP tactics in HiSec space to be relatively cowardly though. Real Pirates hunt LoSec, real PvPers fly 0.0.
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Sessho Seki
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Posted - 2006.07.28 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Should be a bannable offense, perma ban for repeat offenders.
I dont agree with this. I know of quite a few players, me being one, who gets the gang invite without spamming them at random people. All it would take would be a few lying asshats to get me and many others banned. Most stuck-up newbies wont accept that they accepted to join the gang, and lie through their teeth to make them look 'better'.
No.
oooooh, ok, so you want to first admit you exploit to kill people, even if only occasionally. Regardless of the person, and the reasons for you killing them, the methodology you used to kill them is still an exploit.
if/when you would be reported for using said exploit, there would be no use in lying for either of you, as the server logs would either confirm your innocence or guilt in the matter, so don't try to use that as a "reason" you should be allowed to continue to abuse an exploit.
you have failed miserably on both counts, get some skill, and fight with a spine rather than cowardice.
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Zzazzt
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Zzazzt on 28/07/2006 17:48:31
Gang/convo spamming's been a griefing tactive since beta.
All it needs is make the invite box appear without focus & the problem instantly disappears.
I do wonder why it's lasted this long tbh...
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.28 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: t20
I'll take a look at this
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.07.28 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sessho Seki
oooooh, ok, so you want to first admit you exploit to kill people, even if only occasionally.
So now its an exploit to kill people using gang wars? Why do gang wars allow you to kill your gangmates then? Why do i have to overload the petition system with questions each time i want answers to some basic stuff?
Server logs and actually logging something ... heh. Heheheehehe.
As for the convo-spamming tactics. While its lame, labeling something that has been deliberatly designed to have such an effect an exploit is even more lame.
"Real devs" dont hide behind exploits, they fix it so that convo-ing someone cannot possibly harm anyone. Then it doesnt matter how "evil" the lame griefers are, they have to go back to killing hamsters, issueing RL threats over phone and sending dead rats via mail.
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Barlaka
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Posted - 2006.07.28 21:08:00 -
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"Putting the default to 'no' would be nice too."
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Taliena
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Razean
How could you not realize this? You've never received a gang invite? Sorry, I just can't believe you are truly that naive. So, not only are you despicable, you're also a liar.
And for the record, I have no qualms with despicable liars playing Eve, nor am I accusing you of any exploits. I do find deceptive PvP tactics in HiSec space to be relatively cowardly though. Real Pirates hunt LoSec, real PvPers fly 0.0.
Don't you dare call me a liar, you don't know me and no, i have never had a gang invite all i know about the window is what has been said before (re: "join warring gang") so get your facts right before trolling me.
I play this game the way i choose, not the way people like you dictate it to me.
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Krak Ho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:00:00 -
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Agreed. In cases like those, the 'Enter' key should not activate the 'yes' or 'OK' or 'Accept' option. In cases like those, a mouse click should be the only way to aknowledge the invite.
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Arkanor
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Putting the default to 'no' would be nice too.
Or simply make popups not force you to focus on only those. Make them non-priority.
Getting convo-spammed while trying to save your pod? Who cares, they'd just pile up while your cursor is still able to spam clikc the warp button.
Get convo invites while typing and the person is hoping for an easy gank-via-exploit? Ohnoes, tough**** for him, you kept typing uninterrupted, or hit enter and it told him NO.
Is it really that hard?
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Darkstarr
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Putting the default to 'no' would be nice too.
Or simply make popups not force you to focus on only those. Make them non-priority.
Is it really that hard?
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Eximius Josari
Shadow Reavers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: splattercat
Originally by: t20
I'll take a look at this
Haveing been lots of times gang spamed/convo spamed its REALY lame and annoying...
Maybe have a setting that only ppl in your address book can gang you?
So, who wants to explain to him?
Autoreject Invitations option? Or something else I'm not seeing?
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Khal Grayrest
Ars Caelestis
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Posted - 2006.07.29 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Khal Grayrest on 29/07/2006 23:33:32
Originally by: Eximius Josari
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: splattercat
Originally by: t20
I'll take a look at this
Haveing been lots of times gang spamed/convo spamed its REALY lame and annoying...
Maybe have a setting that only ppl in your address book can gang you?
So, who wants to explain to him?
Autoreject Invitations option? Or something else I'm not seeing?
The majority of players use the addressbook to list enemies rather than friends. When you see the green dot in local, you know the player is hostile. As a convenient side effect, it notifies you when your enemies log on/off.
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KentachiSamurai
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Posted - 2006.07.31 11:05:00 -
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Just heard that my corpmate fell foul to this lame trick.
Easily enough fixed by defaulting to NO.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:23:00 -
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I had some 'The Collective' Guy named Tazz Ford2 do that bullsh*t to my alt the other day in stain... was pretty lame imo.
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Borgholio
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 16:42:00 -
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Someone tried this during one of my previous freighter runs to Jita. Luckily I was paying attention. :-/
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