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Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:26:00 -
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Some time ago the mineral juse to build large medium and small bubbels went up allot. After the next patch they went down again.
The minerals for a large build went up form about 10 mil to 62 mil then down to 10 again.
I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update. There where no post to be found anywhere that it was not ment that way and ccp would go chance it back. The mineral price chance was a bug and i think ccp should reimburst my loss.
Hope you can fix this ccp.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11393
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:27:00 -
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No. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6560
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:29:00 -
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I'm sure they can, but they won't. |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4600
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:30:00 -
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*flushing noises* Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6884
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:33:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote: juse bubbels allot There where no post ment reimburst
Hope you can fix this ccp.
Me too "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:34:00 -
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Feel free to file a petition. That is how you request reimbursement from CCP.
Forum threads are how you request trolls. Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin |

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
265
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:36:00 -
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If I read your post correctly, nope.
But to make sure, please proofread your garbage next time before you vomit it onto our forum, please? |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
664
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:36:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Some time ago the mineral juse to build large medium and small bubbels went up allot. After the next patch they went down again.
The minerals for a large build went up form about 10 mil to 62 mil then down to 10 again.
I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update. There where no post to be found anywhere that it was not ment that way and ccp would go chance it back. The mineral price chance was a bug and i think ccp should reimburst my loss.
Hope you can fix this ccp.
So you speculated on minerals and took it in the shorts. |

Cherry Yeyo
72
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:36:00 -
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the logs
show nothing CCP Rise>Sentry drones have enormous downsides |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:37:00 -
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Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments. so lets see what they answerr |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:39:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Some time ago the mineral juse to build large medium and small bubbels went up allot. After the next patch they went down again.
The minerals for a large build went up form about 10 mil to 62 mil then down to 10 again.
I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update. There where no post to be found anywhere that it was not ment that way and ccp would go chance it back. The mineral price chance was a bug and i think ccp should reimburst my loss.
Hope you can fix this ccp.
So you speculated on minerals and took it in the shorts.
There was no speculation because the BPO's told that the price was good. Thats the point! BPO where's bugged. |

Chad Ramsbottom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:40:00 -
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ccp this is a bug pls fax
http://i.imgur.com/csCApnG.jpg |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2206
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:44:00 -
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Another speculator owned. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6885
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:46:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments. so lets see what they answerr
RUBBISH "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6315
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:48:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Another speculator owned.
Came to say this. Leaving satisfied.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Paranoid Loyd
1704
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:51:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments.
What they meant was, post a thread so we can all laugh at you instead of just the GMs.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:52:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments. What they meant was, post a thread so we can all laugh at you instead of just the GMs.
Yes ofc they did |

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5533
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:07:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update.
No changes in EVE are permanent. You speculated that a massive, unannounced increase in mineral costs out of line with any other changes in the patch was intentional.
You got burned nice and bad.
You'll have about the same luck as the guy who speculated by buying billions of ISK worth of station containers and got laughed at in a Dev Blog. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:18:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Jugernauth wrote:I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update. No changes in EVE are permanent. You speculated that a massive, unannounced increase in mineral costs out of line with any other changes in the patch was intentional. You got burned nice and bad. You'll have about the same luck as the guy who speculated by buying billions of ISK worth of station containers and got laughed at in a Dev Blog.
massive increases in mineral costs are never announced.
Do not know the container storie. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6885
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:25:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote: massive increases in mineral costs are never announced.
Yeah, the "Additional Materials" cost of ships was a complete suprise to everyone  "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24428
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:26:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:massive increases in mineral costs are never announced. Yes they are. The more massive, the more likely they are to be reported.
Even small ones are quickly picked up from test builds and become widely known in short order. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
418
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:27:00 -
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What's a 'bubbels' ? Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24428
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:28:00 -
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BuckStrider wrote:What's a 'bubbels' ? The perfect complement to a bobbels. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:30:00 -
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BuckStrider wrote:What's a 'bubbels' ?
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25ew679&s=7#.VAjMFWOXNuY
spoken as a threu high sec carebear..... |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6316
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:33:00 -
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This has happened before and it will happen again:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=277103 http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/
/is that you Ginger?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5534
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:33:00 -
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That meme is about 'bubbles' nor 'bubbels' "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |

Paranoid Loyd
1704
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:35:00 -
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BuckStrider wrote:What's a 'bubbels' ?
What's Reimburstment?
Sounds like a B-grade pron. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

Vyl Vit
730
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:38:00 -
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Where's the Aisle of Confusion. I seem to be lost. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:45:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:But that meme is about 'bubbles' not 'bubbels'
Maybe ppl did not noticed yet but my english is bad,,,, ty for pointing this out |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6886
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:45:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:
Maybe ppl did not noticed yet but my english is bad,,,, ty for pointing this out
Not to mention your truth-telling abilities
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:48:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments. so lets see what they answerr
That, quite frankly, is bullshit. No GM is going to redirect you to the forums for a reimbursement request. There is precisely **** all anyone on the forums can do for you. Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin |

Chad Ramsbottom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:53:00 -
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Absolutely Not Analt wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments. so lets see what they answerr There is precisely **** all anyone on the forums can do for you.
But look at all this constructive criticism! |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:59:00 -
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Absolutely Not Analt wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments. so lets see what they answerr That, quite frankly, is bullshit. No GM is going to redirect you to the forums for a reimbursement request. There is precisely **** all anyone on the forums can do for you.
Will posf the message tomorrow off the gm |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:00:00 -
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Chad Ramsbottom wrote:Absolutely Not Analt wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments. so lets see what they answerr There is precisely **** all anyone on the forums can do for you. But look at all this constructive criticism!
This is eve ppl like to help |

Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1231
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:03:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Jugernauth wrote:I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update. No changes in EVE are permanent. You speculated that a massive, unannounced increase in mineral costs out of line with any other changes in the patch was intentional. You got burned nice and bad. You'll have about the same luck as the guy who speculated by buying billions of ISK worth of station containers and got laughed at in a Dev Blog. massive increases in mineral costs are never announced. Do not know the container storie.
Yes they are. See battleship balance thread for example where the material modification were announced.
You got burned like the guy who spend tons on rigs blueprint when rigs for freighter were announced for example. CCP does not care if you get burned on speculation. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6887
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:13:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Absolutely Not Analt wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments. so lets see what they answerr That, quite frankly, is bullshit. No GM is going to redirect you to the forums for a reimbursement request. There is precisely **** all anyone on the forums can do for you. Will posf the message tomorrow off the gm
Posting GM correspondance is against the forum rules "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Marsha Mallow
1492
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:28:00 -
[37] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Where's the Aisle of Confusion. I seem to be lost. Just cloak up and pretend to be afk.
These are even more surreal WTF Subforum #13 The Circus Ward 7 Day 753, Sombody farted in my constellation :| Solvents, Nudity, Beer Online \o/
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
505
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:51:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Some time ago the mineral juse to build large medium and small bubbels went up allot. After the next patch they went down again.
The minerals for a large build went up form about 10 mil to 62 mil then down to 10 again.
I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update. There where no post to be found anywhere that it was not ment that way and ccp would go chance it back. The mineral price chance was a bug and i think ccp should reimburst my loss.
Hope you can fix this ccp.
CCP will not reimburse losses incurred due to price fluctuations of market commodities, or the way those prices are averaged and reflected in BPO's.
Sorry buddy, this is one of those times you will have to eat the loss. |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
815
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Posted - 2014.09.04 22:33:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments. so lets see what they answerr +1 to the GM for giving GD a thread that delivered. Remove insurance. |

Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
93
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Posted - 2014.09.04 22:53:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Some time ago the mineral juse to build large medium and small bubbels went up allot. After the next patch they went down again.
The minerals for a large build went up form about 10 mil to 62 mil then down to 10 again.
I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update. There where no post to be found anywhere that it was not ment that way and ccp would go chance it back. The mineral price chance was a bug and i think ccp should reimburst my loss.
Hope you can fix this ccp.
Didn't know exactly what you were getting at, until I realised you meant change instead of chance.
Market speculation is all it is, that's the risks you take.
Mineral requirements changing from 10 mil to 62 mil, should have at least made you cautious as that's quite a change. |

45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
90
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Posted - 2014.09.04 23:13:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Some time ago the mineral juse to build large medium and small bubbels went up allot. After the next patch they went down again.
The minerals for a large build went up form about 10 mil to 62 mil then down to 10 again.
I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update. There where no post to be found anywhere that it was not ment that way and ccp would go chance it back. The mineral price chance was a bug and i think ccp should reimburst my loss.
Hope you can fix this ccp.
The answer to your question is NO |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4467
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Posted - 2014.09.05 00:31:00 -
[42] - Quote
Jugernauth wrote:...mineral juse...
I love my mineral juse. It helps keep me strong and healthy. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16727
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Posted - 2014.09.05 01:39:00 -
[43] - Quote
Is this thread really happening?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
279
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Posted - 2014.09.05 01:44:00 -
[44] - Quote
mineral juse? Is it like Quafe and is there a BPO for it if so?  ...................................................... |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.05 04:07:00 -
[45] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Absolutely Not Analt wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Made petition and was told to make a forum thread because gm can not handle these kind off reimburstments. so lets see what they answerr That, quite frankly, is bullshit. No GM is going to redirect you to the forums for a reimbursement request. There is precisely **** all anyone on the forums can do for you. Will posf the message tomorrow off the gm Posting GM correspondance is against the forum rules
Then i will first send petition to gm iff its oke to post his answer. |

Damon Messer
Emergent Mining Et Al.
54
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Posted - 2014.09.05 04:23:00 -
[46] - Quote
so you took a gamble on the market and lost isk? is that it OP? |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.05 04:59:00 -
[47] - Quote
Damon Messer wrote:so you took a gamble on the market and lost isk? is that it OP?
Nope |

Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos
184
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Posted - 2014.09.05 05:12:00 -
[48] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote: mineral juse? Is it like Quafe and is there a BPO for it if so? 
Send me 10mil right now and I'll send you a case of Mineral Juse. Send me 100mil and I'll send you 10 cases plus a free case of our new flavor of Mineral Juse Mex! (TM). Send me 1 billion right now and you'll get a 1 week, all access pass to Mineral Juse's Factory Land where we have a raffle at the end of the week with a chance to win your very own BPO of Mineral Juse. --------------------------------------------------------::::::::::::--:::-----:::---::::::::::::--------------:::----------:::----:::---:::----------------------:::::::-------:::---:::----::::::-------------------:::-----------:::--:::----:::---------------------::::::::::::----:::::::----:::::::::::::------- |

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5537
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Posted - 2014.09.05 06:29:00 -
[49] - Quote
Jugernauth wrote:Damon Messer wrote:so you took a gamble on the market and lost isk? is that it OP? Nope
Fine, we can be technical about it. You took a gamble on patch speculation and lost ISK. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |

Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
207
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Posted - 2014.09.05 06:41:00 -
[50] - Quote
you gambled wrong.
as you said "you have been under the impression"
why should CCP reimburse your own failure ? http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.05 07:13:00 -
[51] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Damon Messer wrote:so you took a gamble on the market and lost isk? is that it OP? Nope Fine, we can be technical about it. You took a gamble on patch speculation and lost ISK.
There was no speculation. Speculation iff you try to predict the future. This was a bugged display off needed materials.
So why did ccp reimburst the ppl that paided the wrong starting price for starting jobs (was also a bug in that same patch)? Same problem it seems to me....... |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24431
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Posted - 2014.09.05 10:02:00 -
[52] - Quote
Jugernauth wrote:There was no speculation. Speculation iff you try to predict the future. This was a bugged display off needed materials. It was just a bugged display of needed materials, you won't have lost anything. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
5446
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Posted - 2014.09.05 10:35:00 -
[53] - Quote
I don't normally say this kind of thing, but...
Them's the breaks. Welcome to Eve. |

Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
93
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:02:00 -
[54] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Jugernauth wrote:There was no speculation. Speculation iff you try to predict the future. This was a bugged display off needed materials. It was just a bugged display of needed materials, you won't have lost anything.
He would have made a loss if he stockpiled the finished products paying more than they were worth (at 10k material costs) expecting to get more than he paid back once they were at 62k material costs.
But he would have to have stockpiled a huge amount to incur a 14 billion loss. He doesn't say if the 14 billion loss is actual loss or actual loss and projected profits as part of that loss. |

Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
120
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:20:00 -
[55] - Quote
You made isk when the price went up, all those bubbles you had built beforehand.
Please hand the isk back and we can talk about it. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6036
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:42:00 -
[56] - Quote
Jugernauth wrote:Some time ago the mineral juse to build large medium and small bubbels went up allot. After the next patch they went down again.
The minerals for a large build went up form about 10 mil to 62 mil then down to 10 again.
I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update. There where no post to be found anywhere that it was not ment that way and ccp would go chance it back. The mineral price chance was a bug and i think ccp should reimburst my loss.
Hope you can fix this ccp.
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Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:43:00 -
[57] - Quote
Grog Aftermath wrote:Tippia wrote:Jugernauth wrote:There was no speculation. Speculation iff you try to predict the future. This was a bugged display off needed materials. It was just a bugged display of needed materials, you won't have lost anything. He would have made a loss if he stockpiled the finished products paying more than they were worth (at 10k material costs) expecting to get more than he paid back once they were at 62k material costs. But he would have to have stockpiled a huge amount to incur a 14 billion loss. He doesn't say if the 14 billion loss is actual loss or actual loss and projected profits as part of that loss.
its not 10k but 10 mil. I bought around 500 and exspect to make loss off 30 mil a pice. That is around 14 bil. So i stockpiled good yes. Bought at 40 mil average. So its not projected profit loss but actual isk that i had loss |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:47:00 -
[58] - Quote
Rab See wrote:You made isk when the price went up, all those bubbles you had built beforehand.
Please hand the isk back and we can talk about it.
In the original reimburstment requist to ccp i calculated everything that i made and lost. That ammount i asked. So think that would be fair. |

Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
93
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:49:00 -
[59] - Quote
Jugernauth wrote:Grog Aftermath wrote:Tippia wrote:Jugernauth wrote:There was no speculation. Speculation iff you try to predict the future. This was a bugged display off needed materials. It was just a bugged display of needed materials, you won't have lost anything. He would have made a loss if he stockpiled the finished products paying more than they were worth (at 10k material costs) expecting to get more than he paid back once they were at 62k material costs. But he would have to have stockpiled a huge amount to incur a 14 billion loss. He doesn't say if the 14 billion loss is actual loss or actual loss and projected profits as part of that loss. its not 10k but 10 mil. I bought around 500 and exspect to make loss off 30 mil a pice. That is around 14 bil. So i stockpiled good yes. Bought at 40 mil average. So its not projected profit loss but actual isk that i had loss
That was an error on my part, I've now corrected it.
I also added an edit to that post, before I saw this one of yours. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6036
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:59:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Rab See wrote:You made isk when the price went up, all those bubbles you had built beforehand.
Please hand the isk back and we can talk about it. In the original reimburstment requist to ccp i calculated everything that i made and lost. That ammount i asked. So think that would be fair.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:15:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:its not 10k but 10 mil. I bought around 500 and exspect to make loss off 30 mil a pice. That is around 14 bil. So i stockpiled good yes. Bought at 40 mil average. So its not projected profit loss but actual isk that i had loss
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After CCP declines your petition, and reality has had a chance to sink-in, I'll offer you 500Mil for the lot.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:17:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote: its not 10k but 10 mil. I bought around 500 and exspect to make loss off 30 mil a pice. That is around 14 bil. So i stockpiled good yes. Bought at 40 mil average. So its not projected profit loss but actual isk that i had loss
If the requirements changed in the other direction, would you petition CCP and give them more ISK?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:21:00 -
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OP needs to look up the word risk.
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Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
2122
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:38:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote: The minerals for a large build went up form about 10 mil to 62 mil then down to 10 again.
I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update.
Here we see the abject failure of the "All In" strategy in playing the market... and ignoring the fact that any particular detail in EVE is always subject to change just won't help your bottom line. Ever.
Take "the hit" in stride... if you truly want to play the big leagues.

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Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:58:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Rab See wrote:You made isk when the price went up, all those bubbles you had built beforehand.
Please hand the isk back and we can talk about it. In the original reimburstment requist to ccp i calculated everything that i made and lost. That ammount i asked. So think that would be fair. You speculated & lost, you won't get anything back.
I jused data from in game that i think i could have jused because i could not know they where presented by a bug.
Again ppl that payed the wrong amount whit the startingcost did geth reimburst. Same thing bug whit wrong number leads to a loss for a player. |

Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4180
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Posted - 2014.09.05 14:20:00 -
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Good lord. You didn't understand stuff, you then didn't understand more stuff and as a result you lost isk. Meanwhile, CCPs reimbursement policy is clear. You aren't getting anything back, so either deal with it or quit the game. Those are your two options and they are equally valid. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
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Posted - 2014.09.05 14:40:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Rab See wrote:You made isk when the price went up, all those bubbles you had built beforehand.
Please hand the isk back and we can talk about it. In the original reimburstment requist to ccp i calculated everything that i made and lost. That ammount i asked. So think that would be fair. You speculated & lost, you won't get anything back. I jused data from in game that i think i could have jused because i could not know they where presented by a bug. Again ppl that payed the wrong amount whit the startingcost did geth reimburst. Same thing bug whit wrong number leads to a loss for a player.
CCP is at fault to some extent with the bug as you based your decisions on that bug.
However, you are also at fault for trying to take advantage of that bug (even though you didn't know it was one), by paying more than the normal market price to secure your stockpile. You took a risk that the information was correct even though it must have seemed suspiciously incorrect.
That's the way I see it anyway.
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Talvorian Dex
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
27
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Posted - 2014.09.05 15:10:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:Some time ago the mineral juse to build large medium and small bubbels went up allot. After the next patch they went down again.
The minerals for a large build went up form about 10 mil to 62 mil then down to 10 again.
I taken a 14 bil loss because i was under the impression that the mineral chance was for ever after the first update. There where no post to be found anywhere that it was not ment that way and ccp would go chance it back. The mineral price chance was a bug and i think ccp should reimburst my loss.
Hope you can fix this ccp.
Asking for reimbursement for market speculation... Good one! Nice troll post! Writer of Target Caller, an Eve Online PvP blog, at http://targetcaller.blogspot.com |

Jugernauth
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
4
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:21:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Rab See wrote:You made isk when the price went up, all those bubbles you had built beforehand.
Please hand the isk back and we can talk about it. In the original reimburstment requist to ccp i calculated everything that i made and lost. That ammount i asked. So think that would be fair. You speculated & lost, you won't get anything back. I jused data from in game that i think i could have jused because i could not know they where presented by a bug. Again ppl that payed the wrong amount whit the startingcost did geth reimburst. Same thing bug whit wrong number leads to a loss for a player. CCP is at fault to some extent with the bug as you based your decisions on that bug. However, you are also at fault for trying to take advantage of that bug (even though you didn't know it was one), by paying more than the normal market price to secure your stockpile. You took a risk that the information was correct even though it must have seemed suspiciously incorrect. That's the way I see it anyway. Yes ccp bugged thats the point. Agree that i should have been more suspicious would take a 50/50 deal om the loss du to split responsibiletie I'll be surprised if you get anything back.
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5540
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:41:00 -
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Jugernauth wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Jugernauth wrote:Damon Messer wrote:so you took a gamble on the market and lost isk? is that it OP? Nope Fine, we can be technical about it. You took a gamble on patch speculation and lost ISK. There was no speculation. Speculation iff you try to predict the future. This was a bugged display off needed materials. So why did ccp reimburst the ppl that paided the wrong starting price for starting jobs (was also a bug in that same patch)? Same problem it seems to me.......
You speculated that an obvious bug wouldn't be fixed, and expected to profit off it.
You bought items from players. People starting jobs sunk ISK into thin air. Very different when it comes to reimbursement (remember, the reimbursement policy for the server dying only reimburses the modules that got blown up with the ship; anything that drops stays dropped), so to reimburse you they'd have to duplicate ISK.
And again, you were speculating that a massive, unannounced, unreasonable price build cost increase was somehow *not* a mistake. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |

Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1246
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:49:00 -
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You speculated, and your investment didn't pay off. QQ. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
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