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GeekWarrior
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.09.06 06:52:00 -
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CCP, you can re-create one for all I care, but I demand that you make available the killmail immediately! |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12841
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Posted - 2014.09.06 06:54:00 -
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Surely the logs show nothing, as the whole event was just fake...
/c
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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
965
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Posted - 2014.09.06 06:59:00 -
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However, always remember: that kill will be "REAL PVP" lol :P Nothing like 2000+ players whoring on a killmail :P |
Devin Wallace
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:04:00 -
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December 18, 2013
Greetings, GM The Doctor here.
Thank you for contacting Customer Support. Our apologies for the delayed response but we are currently seeing a heavy load of incoming tickets which results in a slower response time than normally. We appreciate your patience. Kill reports are intended to be informational, however processing them has the lowest priority on our servers and precision is not always guaranteed. Therefore you might receive kill reports that do not depict the actual damage dealt, or other errors such as not receiving one at all. We are unfortunately not able to generate, modify or remove any kill reports retroactively. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. If you have any additional matters or questions that we may be able to provide assistance in solving, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
With regards, GM The Doctor CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
we're never getting that killmail.
I hope I don't meet the worm that creates the holes, -ámust be immortal. |
Eduro Aiur
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:08:00 -
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If a Revenant dies in lowsec, and there is no killmail, did it really die? |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:11:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:However, always remember: that kill will be "REAL PVP" lol :P Nothing like 2000+ players whoring on a killmail :P Lol, CODE talking about "real PvP". |
GeekWarrior
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:13:00 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:DJentropy Ovaert wrote:However, always remember: that kill will be "REAL PVP" lol :P Nothing like 2000+ players whoring on a killmail :P Lol, CODE talking about "real PvP".
Let's not derail from the important matter at hand. |
Devin Wallace
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:24:00 -
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"Kill reports are intended to be informational, however processing them has the lowest priority on our servers and precision is not always guaranteed. Therefore you might receive kill reports that do not depict the actual damage dealt, or other errors such as not receiving one at all. We are unfortunately not able to generate, modify or remove any kill reports retroactively. "
basically, CCP would have to reverse their policy to generate a kill report retroactively, and then what would they say to the hundreds of people filing support tickets on a daily basis? They would have to actually ensure that kill reports were accurately generated every time which they apparently can not or will not do. The one positive aspect is that this particular kill report had would have had at least 3,700 pilots on it and hopefully they're all quite upset that they will not receive recognition for the hours of horrendous lag they endured and make it known to CCP. I hope I don't meet the worm that creates the holes, -ámust be immortal. |
Aesynil
The Unit... Valhalla Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:35:00 -
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I'd highly recommend editing your post to delete the CCP response. You can get banned for posting CCP communications. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
969
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:44:00 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:DJentropy Ovaert wrote:However, always remember: that kill will be "REAL PVP" lol :P Nothing like 2000+ players whoring on a killmail :P Lol, CODE talking about "real PvP".
Hey, at least I have killmails :P
Also, please train Snarky and Sarcasm to level 2 before posting :P |
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Devin Wallace
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:45:00 -
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Aesynil wrote:I'd highly recommend editing your post to delete the CCP response. You can get banned for posting CCP communications.
Knowing what I know, I'm not surprised at all. I hope I don't meet the worm that creates the holes, -ámust be immortal. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4677
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:50:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:However, always remember: that kill will be "REAL PVP" lol :P Nothing like 2000+ players whoring on a killmail :P over twice that dude, and op, H.T.F.U. and wait like a man, id rather this gets done right and no one misses out. =][= |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
215
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Posted - 2014.09.06 09:47:00 -
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How much will it inflate your killboard stats? the Code ALWAYS wins |
Devin Wallace
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.06 10:20:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:How much will it inflate your killboard stats?
the Revenant sacrifice was a promotion by Eve-Bet with prizes for pilots meeting certain conditions on the kill report.
The winners cannot be verified without a kill report.
Without a kill report, the entire thing was just a meaningless lag-fest.
Some of us literally stand to gain nothing from this, we know we aren't going to win prizes, and it hardly makes a noticeable change to our killboard stats.
Others are missing out on the fruits of their labor and Eve-Bet is probably being embarrassed the longer time passes without a kill report.
Also, CCP helped stage the event knowing what it was for.
It gives me hope that they are scrambling to generate the kill report, because otherwise....it just looks really bad. You can speculate on the resulting fallout in the player community I suppose. I hope I don't meet the worm that creates the holes, -ámust be immortal. |
Oxide Ammar
159
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Posted - 2014.09.06 11:04:00 -
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Devin Wallace wrote:Others are missing out on the fruits of their labor and Eve-Bet is probably being embarrassed the longer time passes without a kill report.
Why they are embarrassed ? they aren't the one who is generating killmails and they aren't in charge of running EVE, they only created an event..that's all. They contacted CCP to coordinate reinforcing nodes to hold this major event.
Who ever got the killmail with almost 5k pilots whoring on that Rev is simply can crash any PC trying to open the killmail link.. It won't take much time before ppl will wrap word Boobs around this killmail and post it in local just to crash others PC just for ***** and gigglez. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1990
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Posted - 2014.09.06 11:44:00 -
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It's after downtime...
Still no killmail...
Data has been reset, so there will be no killmail!
Sorry EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
67544
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Posted - 2014.09.06 14:24:00 -
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Servers trolling greedy KM whores. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1940
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Posted - 2014.09.06 14:30:00 -
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.......
So, I did that "warpin > target for 2 mins > fire one volley of torps > wait for dmg notification > warp out > repeat" crap for over 3 hours, for absolutely nothing? That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1940
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Posted - 2014.09.06 14:33:00 -
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When Marlona Sky's Nyx died, that KM generated right away. I know this was nearly twice as many people, but come on, now. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
46837
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Posted - 2014.09.06 14:53:00 -
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Maybe the name "Revenant" implies that it's not supposed to die at all, but just gets reborn in a different system? I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Citricioni
Stille Gewalt Easily Excited
159
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:10:00 -
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shitstorm inc? Stille Gewalt NPSI
Channel: Stille Gewalt |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11401
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:40:00 -
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Devin Wallace wrote:Without a kill report, the entire thing was just a meaningless lag-fest.
These kinds of events are ********.
Nothing spoils the organic gameplay that makes EVE what it is more than scheduled and themed events with ******* prize giveaways. They're nothing more than theme park attractions. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1940
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:44:00 -
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I don't complain very often. And I'm going to refrain from it, for now, because I'm giving everyone the benefit of doubt that it's being worked on.
But, just keep in mind that 1/3rd of the logged-in players set aside RL and in-game concerns for nearly 4 hours, endured incredible immaturity on a massive scale (I'm specifically referencing the troll/spam crap in local and the eve-bet channel), risked assets, dealt with the worst TiDi most of us have ever or will ever see, and there were prizes on the line. Plus, someone sacrificed a damn Revenant to make this happen.
All those things considered, it's a tad frustrating to think it might have all been for nothing. I can understand where folks with less patience than I would be foam-at-the-mouth angry.
(Besides... from the damage notifications my little SB was getting, I know for a fact I did over 125k damage in a frig hull. That may or may not put me squarely in the running for a few PLEXes) That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Aliventi
C.Q.B Gods Work.
766
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:56:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:When Marlona Sky's Nyx died, that KM generated right away. I know this was nearly twice as many people, but come on, now. Granted at the time it was the largest KM ever generated (based upon # of people on the KM) and crashed your Eve client when you clicked on the KM link. Which sucked because I was the one that ended up with the KM and wanted to look at it. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1940
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Posted - 2014.09.06 16:04:00 -
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Aliventi wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:When Marlona Sky's Nyx died, that KM generated right away. I know this was nearly twice as many people, but come on, now. Granted at the time it was the largest KM ever generated (based upon # of people on the KM) and crashed your Eve client when you clicked on the KM link. Which sucked because I was the one that ended up with the KM and wanted to look at it.
LOL.... I remember that. "Oh, cool! The mail!" *click* *crash* "Well, poop." That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Talon Draygo
Capsuleer Outfitters Bad Intention
46
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Posted - 2014.09.06 16:20:00 -
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Well for those who were at the Battle of Caldari Prime, you will remember that this isnt the first time we have been screwed out of kill mails. |
Siths
Aliastra Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2014.09.06 16:24:00 -
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Flashback:
"Earlier this year a scandal erupted in which a CCP employee in Band of Brothers (known far and wide as BOB) was found to have improperly given his group technical blueprints that could have helped decide the war."
~SETH SCHIESEL (The New York Times)
*Snip* Please refrain from discussions in a WTS/WTB thread. |
Anslo
Scope Works
9675
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:33:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Devin Wallace wrote:Without a kill report, the entire thing was just a meaningless lag-fest.
These kinds of events are ********. Nothing spoils the organic gameplay that makes EVE what it is more than scheduled and themed events with ******* prize giveaways. They're nothing more than theme park attractions. I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you.
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Devin Wallace
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
1
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:40:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Devin Wallace wrote:Without a kill report, the entire thing was just a meaningless lag-fest.
These kinds of events are ********. Nothing spoils the organic gameplay that makes EVE what it is more than scheduled and themed events with ******* prize giveaways. They're nothing more than theme park attractions.
Is that why CFC was there with with multiple subcap fleets totaling over 1000 pilots?
I hope I don't meet the worm that creates the holes, -ámust be immortal. |
Arronicus
Caldari Navy Reconnaissance
1130
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:45:00 -
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Devin Wallace wrote:"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------REDACTED TO PROTECT CCP'S REPUTATION----------------------------------------------------------- [/u]" basically, CCP would have to reverse their policy to generate a kill report retroactively, and then what would they say to the hundreds of people filing support tickets on a daily basis? They would have to actually ensure that kill reports were accurately generated every time which they apparently can not or will not do. The one positive aspect is that this particular kill report had would have had at least 3,700 pilots on it and hopefully they're all quite upset that they will not receive recognition for the hours of horrendous lag they endured and make it known to CCP.
CCP understands the importance of making small exceptions in the case of large events affecting huge numbers of players. As they are not bound by precedent law like the tried-and-proven-failed american legal system, and are rather able to deal everything on a case by case basis at their own discretion, no, they would not be obliged to take any other action as a result.
What they would say to the hundreds of people filing tickets is that an exception was made for a large event. |
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Azhu
Biohazard. Ineluctable.
15
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:46:00 -
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Hahah people went to this. |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
416
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:56:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:As for the recognition, I believe it has been made clear before, the killmail should not be the most important part. You should be playing the game to enjoy the opportunity.
You have no business deciding that whatsoever |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11402
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:57:00 -
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Devin Wallace wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Devin Wallace wrote:Without a kill report, the entire thing was just a meaningless lag-fest.
These kinds of events are ********. Nothing spoils the organic gameplay that makes EVE what it is more than scheduled and themed events with ******* prize giveaways. They're nothing more than theme park attractions. Is that why CFC was there with with multiple subcap fleets totaling over 1000 pilots? Possibly. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Galvanized
Space Mutts Extended Downtime.
4
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:00:00 -
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I actually suckered myself and my corpmate's into tagging along on this latest disaster thinking that maybe..just maybe things had changed after years of knowing full well that live events usually cluster**** into epic proportions...
Nope....nothing's changed...
Being fed 4 hours of soul destroying lag and throwing away 4 hours of my life on that debacle ( at 1st it was amusing listen to people on coms trying to get some dps down on that flying Turd ) It soon wore off tho , just hanging on thinking ok at least they'll be a shiny killmail to laugh over...
Seems like that has hit the fan too....
Dissapointing..
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11402
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:02:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you. It's content creation of the worst kind. "Come shoot at this rare ship that I'm going to sacrifice for you, all you have to do is show up!" It cheapens the experience of killing such ships for people who do so naturally, with the tremendous amount of planning, waiting, and psychological manipulation required. Now any schlepper could just show up and effortlessly add a Revenant killmail to their board and show it off as if they actually did something to earn it. It's a ******* trophy for participation. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1340
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:03:00 -
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The kill is worth nothing. It was for free. Merley of symboluic value. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Talene Desole
The Nexus 7's
0
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:16:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Anslo wrote:I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you. It's content creation of the worst kind. "Come shoot at this rare ship that I'm going to sacrifice for you, all you have to do is show up!" It cheapens the experience of killing such ships for people who do so naturally, with the tremendous amount of planning, waiting, and psychological manipulation required. Now any schlepper could just show up and effortlessly add a Revenant killmail to their board and show it off as if they actually did something to earn it. It's a ******* trophy for participation.
Yes and no. The kill of the Revenant itself is just ***** and giggles and not something for anyone to pin a medal on themselves for agreed, but all the additional content that was generated as a result of it, such as the massive gate camping before and after to get into the system, the huge volume of kills in the system during, and after, the event, and those who went and managed to survive at all is also content. And, to my mind, all that secondary and associated content is content of value and some meaning. It may have been precipitated by a planned, pre-arranged turkey shoot, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a whole lot of fun and skill to be had and exhibited surrounding it by those who participated or took advantage of the event. |
THE SMUDGE
THC Providores Northern Associates.
7
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Posted - 2014.09.06 22:15:00 -
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So, can CCP confirm that there will be no KM please? I will be unsubbing a few PVP accounts for a while in response. No point in chasing KMs if the system is broken. Limit player numbers in these event systems in the future please. I got in early, managed to get the job done and now get this. Starting to hate my favourite game. EVE-BET must be pretty upset. |
Paranoid Loyd
1741
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Posted - 2014.09.06 22:19:00 -
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The only thing worse the KM whoring is crying about not having the KM you whored on. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
THE SMUDGE
THC Providores Northern Associates.
7
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Posted - 2014.09.06 22:39:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:The only thing worse the KM whoring is crying about not having the KM you whored on.
That's the thing about a sandbox we all have our different reasons for playing. Or not playing. And who said I whored? I got there early and did as much damage as anyone else there. And please, don't roll your eyes at me, its effeminate.
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Black Ambulance
5
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Posted - 2014.09.06 22:39:00 -
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THE SMUDGE wrote:So, can CCP confirm that there will be no KM please? I will be unsubbing a few PVP accounts for a while in response. No point in chasing KMs if the system is broken. Limit player numbers in these event systems in the future please. I got in early, managed to get the job done and now get this. Starting to hate my favourite game. EVE-BET must be pretty upset. everyone who do PVP know that system is broken , even GM stated several times that killmails are generated with lowest priority and stats are not accurate at all. |
Paranoid Loyd
1741
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Posted - 2014.09.06 22:52:00 -
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THE SMUDGE wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:The only thing worse the KM whoring is crying about not having the KM you whored on. That's the thing about a sandbox we all have our different reasons for playing. Or not playing. And who said I whored? I got there early and did as much damage as anyone else there. And please, don't roll your eyes at me, its effeminate.
Fair enough, but is it really worth unsubbing your accounts? You sound like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum.
Winking at you would have been effeminate. Rolling my eyes at you indicates I think you are getting all worked up about a really stupid thing. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
829
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Posted - 2014.09.06 22:57:00 -
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Kill mails are bad for EvE's health.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
818
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Posted - 2014.09.06 22:59:00 -
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Killmails that involve hundreds to thousands of players always have been a tricky issue. Do remember, to be listed on the KM, you must have performed an action 15 minutes prior to it's death to have all your actions on that ship registrated.(with TiDi being at 10% it might be 150 minutes? not sure)
The event itself saw some over the top attendance, I doubted that CCP or EvE-bet expected such a high attendance (I suppsoe they expected a high attendance, just not a record-breaking one)
Till 2.2K people arrived in the system, there was no TiDi actually, despite all the fighting already going on. Till 3K-3.5K, TiDi was still manageable, it just went over the top crazy when it clawed close to 5K players in system, a crazy high number. Following that, kinks are to be expected.
No idea if a correct KM can be generated, but something might be purged from the combatrecords that should see the light once CCP is done with it.
Did make a report on this event for those interested: Revenant Supercarrier destroyed as promotional stunt by Eve-Bet Revenant Carrier destroyed as promotional stunt by Eve-Bet!-á -áSansha's Nation intensifies attacks! |
THE SMUDGE
THC Providores Northern Associates.
7
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:07:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:THE SMUDGE wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:The only thing worse the KM whoring is crying about not having the KM you whored on. That's the thing about a sandbox we all have our different reasons for playing. Or not playing. And who said I whored? I got there early and did as much damage as anyone else there. And please, don't roll your eyes at me, its effeminate. Fair enough, but is it really worth unsubbing your accounts? You sound like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum. Winking at you would have been effeminate. Rolling my eyes at you indicates I think you are getting all worked up about a really stupid thing.
I have 6 accounts stretching back to 2004. I said I would unsub some PVP ones.. The most direct way to let any business know they wasted your time is to not spend money there for a bit. It's called capitalism and it works.
Mate, try rolling your eyes at Finko down the pub and see how you go. Men don't roll their eyes at other men. Nothing wrong with a wink though.. You must be from Canada. |
Paranoid Loyd
1741
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:08:00 -
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THE SMUDGE wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:THE SMUDGE wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:The only thing worse the KM whoring is crying about not having the KM you whored on. That's the thing about a sandbox we all have our different reasons for playing. Or not playing. And who said I whored? I got there early and did as much damage as anyone else there. And please, don't roll your eyes at me, its effeminate. Fair enough, but is it really worth unsubbing your accounts? You sound like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum. Winking at you would have been effeminate. Rolling my eyes at you indicates I think you are getting all worked up about a really stupid thing. I have 6 accounts stretching back to 2004. The most direct way to let any business know they wasted your time is withhold funds. It's called capitalism and it works. Mate, try rolling your eyes at Finko down the pub and see how you go. Men don't roll their eyes at other men. Nothing wrong with a wink though.. You must be from Canada.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Jess Tanner
Hard Knocks Inc.
141
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:08:00 -
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Devin Wallace wrote:"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------REDACTED TO PROTECT CCP'S REPUTATION----------------------------------------------------------- [/u]" basically, CCP would have to reverse their policy to generate a kill report retroactively, and then what would they say to the hundreds of people filing support tickets on a daily basis? They would have to actually ensure that kill reports were accurately generated every time which they apparently can not or will not do. The one positive aspect is that this particular kill report had would have had at least 3,700 pilots on it and hopefully they're all quite upset that they will not receive recognition for the hours of horrendous lag they endured and make it known to CCP.
Your idea that this is fairy land where if one thing happens then it sets law for all other things that happen there after makes me laugh, almost out loud. Young boy/girl/boygirl, this is the interwebs, CCP can do whatever they want, at almost any time as they see fit, especially given the words used in the EULA, so take your fair market trade ball and go home, this is Icelandic justice as they see fit, when and if they see fit..... Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back.
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THE SMUDGE
THC Providores Northern Associates.
7
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:10:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:THE SMUDGE wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:THE SMUDGE wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:The only thing worse the KM whoring is crying about not having the KM you whored on. That's the thing about a sandbox we all have our different reasons for playing. Or not playing. And who said I whored? I got there early and did as much damage as anyone else there. And please, don't roll your eyes at me, its effeminate. Fair enough, but is it really worth unsubbing your accounts? You sound like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum. Winking at you would have been effeminate. Rolling my eyes at you indicates I think you are getting all worked up about a really stupid thing. I have 6 accounts stretching back to 2004. The most direct way to let any business know they wasted your time is withhold funds. It's called capitalism and it works. Mate, try rolling your eyes at Finko down the pub and see how you go. Men don't roll their eyes at other men. Nothing wrong with a wink though.. You must be from Canada. Mate, you seem to be quite happy playing the fourm game, and that requires no sub.. So please, leave this thread to people who actually fly spaceships, as opposed to forum PvP. Thanx. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11408
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:13:00 -
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THE SMUDGE wrote:Men don't roll their eyes at other men. Men don't need others to tell them what men do or don't do. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Paranoid Loyd
1741
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:13:00 -
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THE SMUDGE wrote:Mate, you seem to be quite happy playing the fourm game, and that requires no sub.. So please, leave this thread to people who actually fly spaceships, as opposed to forum PvP. Thanx.
Blown up about 270 bil more than you have, meight. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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THE SMUDGE
THC Providores Northern Associates.
7
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:15:00 -
[51] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:THE SMUDGE wrote:Mate, you seem to be quite happy playing the fourm game, and that requires no sub.. So please, leave this thread to people who actually fly spaceships, as opposed to forum PvP. Thanx. Blown up about 270 bil more than you have, meight.
ah yeah.. this is an indy toon.. *burp* You done? I still want my Rev Km. How talking to you got me closer to it, have no idea..
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THE SMUDGE
THC Providores Northern Associates.
7
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:16:00 -
[52] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:THE SMUDGE wrote:Men don't roll their eyes at other men. Men don't need others to tell them what men do or don't do.
real men don't join Goonswarm either. Just sayin' |
Paranoid Loyd
1741
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:17:00 -
[53] - Quote
THE SMUDGE wrote: I still want my Rev Km.
Relevant "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
THE SMUDGE
THC Providores Northern Associates.
7
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:23:00 -
[54] - Quote
Well, you guys sure told me.. I guess I best just take a break for 30 days. On all of the toons, Nice weather out at the moment anyways.. Have fun choking this game to death.
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Paranoid Loyd
1741
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:25:00 -
[55] - Quote
THE SMUDGE wrote:Well, you guys sure told me.. I guess I best just take a break for 30 days. On all of the toons, Nice weather out at the moment anyways.. Have fun choking this game to death.
Have fun sulking about your KM. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
THE SMUDGE
THC Providores Northern Associates.
7
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:30:00 -
[56] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:THE SMUDGE wrote:Well, you guys sure told me.. I guess I best just take a break for 30 days. On all of the toons, Nice weather out at the moment anyways.. Have fun choking this game to death. Have fun sulking about your KM.
I'm not sulking, I am taking action. I make sure when someone wastes my time that I don't reward them for it. It's called being a consumer, rather than being a farm animal. Enjoy your forum wars, mate. I personally hate typing.
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1946
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:55:00 -
[57] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:The only thing worse the KM whoring is crying about not having the KM you whored on.
*ahem* Firing over 600 torps at a supercarrier in a SB isn't "whoring". That's called "participating".
Edit: Side-note.... the only thing worse than KM-whoring people crying about not getting the KM they whored on, is sadpanda carebears minimizing PvP players' EVE experience because they think shooting other people's spaceships is "sociopath behavior"...
:p That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Tsukinosuke
Id Est The Volition Cult
10
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Posted - 2014.09.07 00:15:00 -
[58] - Quote
here is an idea for whom says "bla KillMail bla Whoring bla" here,
just VOTE for changelog of next expansion "KillMail should contain only info that these are killshot and best dmg".. if you are not a killmail whor.
no hands up? so just Shut The.... anti-antagonist-á "not a friend of enemy of antagonist" |
Shadar Loghoth
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.07 00:29:00 -
[59] - Quote
Problem with only including Top Damage and Final blow is what about the ECM applied or how about the interceptor pilot who holds the target down for several minutes while his buddies show up? Do they not deserve to be on the KM it is bad enough at times Logi Pilots don't get public recognition like KM's for their hard work in fights.
The KM system keeps people who are only interested in KM's playing the game buying stuff from people who play market games who order stuff from people who do manufacturing who buy minerals from miners and blueprints from the people who do R&D who buy stuff from people who do Data and Relic sites who buy their ships from people who do station trading and so on and so forth. As you can see KM's make the world of EvE go round. |
Arcadian Dallocort
Capsuleer Outfitters Bad Intention
0
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Posted - 2014.09.07 00:31:00 -
[60] - Quote
The thing is that this was a event that although not sponsored by CCP was backed in more than one way by CCP, for apparent reasons and benefits - atleast to what I and most others had heard. Given that, and the fact that the prizes are for certain actions ranked by a kill mail, CCP should make every effort possible to create or recreate a reliable report. A kill report generated by anyone other than CCP would cast suspicion on the event and whether the rewards were handed out in an appropriate manner. |
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Creamdream
Unlimited Potential
4
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Posted - 2014.09.07 01:56:00 -
[61] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Anslo wrote:I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you. It's content creation of the worst kind. "Come shoot at this rare ship that I'm going to sacrifice for you, all you have to do is show up!" It cheapens the experience of killing such ships for people who do so naturally, with the tremendous amount of planning, waiting, and psychological manipulation required. Now any schlepper could just show up and effortlessly add a Revenant killmail to their board and show it off as if they actually did something to earn it. It's a ******* trophy for participation.
There is a quit game button, you know. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4532
|
Posted - 2014.09.07 02:25:00 -
[62] - Quote
Creamdream wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Anslo wrote:I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you. It's content creation of the worst kind. "Come shoot at this rare ship that I'm going to sacrifice for you, all you have to do is show up!" It cheapens the experience of killing such ships for people who do so naturally, with the tremendous amount of planning, waiting, and psychological manipulation required. Now any schlepper could just show up and effortlessly add a Revenant killmail to their board and show it off as if they actually did something to earn it. It's a ******* trophy for participation. There is a quit game button, you know.
Thank you, captain obvious. Is that the same one we all use a few hours after pushing the "Play" one on the launcher? Provide you use the launcher, of course.... GÇŁSome capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇĽ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
mrjknyazev
College of Winterhold
0
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Posted - 2014.09.07 02:28:00 -
[63] - Quote
Creamdream wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Anslo wrote:I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you. It's content creation of the worst kind. "Come shoot at this rare ship that I'm going to sacrifice for you, all you have to do is show up!" It cheapens the experience of killing such ships for people who do so naturally, with the tremendous amount of planning, waiting, and psychological manipulation required. Now any schlepper could just show up and effortlessly add a Revenant killmail to their board and show it off as if they actually did something to earn it. It's a ******* trophy for participation. There is a quit game button, you know.
Perhaps James forgot that this is just a rare ship, not limited-edition one. The more of them will get built in time (and killed), the less special the stories behind killing them will sound. Ironically, it reminds me about ccp's sansha-themed event, because some people complained in the same manner that hi-sec carebears were able to get themselves on supercarriers killmails, obviously when supercarrier killmail was "a thing". The Revenant was legit, not created by dev-hacks, and it's up to players that own them to decide what to do with them. Group of players decided to promote their site by sacrificing one, so defenders of "true experience" just have to get over with it. |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1404
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Posted - 2014.09.07 02:28:00 -
[64] - Quote
Hope whatever it is you're looking for transpires.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/31776088/ <-- I'm on this killmail.
Victims of your own success I guess.
*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Devin Wallace
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.07 03:23:00 -
[65] - Quote
Jess Tanner wrote:Devin Wallace wrote:"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------REDACTED TO PROTECT CCP'S REPUTATION----------------------------------------------------------- [/u]" basically, CCP would have to reverse their policy to generate a kill report retroactively, and then what would they say to the hundreds of people filing support tickets on a daily basis? They would have to actually ensure that kill reports were accurately generated every time which they apparently can not or will not do. The one positive aspect is that this particular kill report had would have had at least 3,700 pilots on it and hopefully they're all quite upset that they will not receive recognition for the hours of horrendous lag they endured and make it known to CCP. Your idea that this is fairy land where if one thing happens then it sets law for all other things that happen there after makes me laugh, almost out loud. Young boy/girl/boygirl, this is the interwebs, CCP can do whatever they want, at almost any time as they see fit, especially given the words used in the EULA, so take your fair market trade ball and go home, this is Icelandic justice as they see fit, when and if they see fit.....
It's good to know that if you can congratulate yourself on absolutely nothing by using yellow font and launching sassy salon-girl attacks at someone's character while simultaneously having no idea what you are talking about and apparently not caring either.
Furthermore, defending CCP's amusing history of back and forth flip-flop decision making to keep players subscribing only further merits player backlash in cases such as the one currently being discussed. You accuse me of living in a fairy world meanwhile you try to rationalize the entire spectrum of bugs, lies, and disgruntled bittervets as some saturday morning cartoon "Icelandic Justice! ". In fact trying to take that statement seriously made me chuckle and hope that you're actually just a brilliant troll. Or you're a bad troll. A troll either way. I hope I don't meet the worm that creates the holes, -ámust be immortal. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11409
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Posted - 2014.09.07 03:38:00 -
[66] - Quote
Creamdream wrote:There is a quit game button, you know. Yes, I use it multiple times a day. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11409
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Posted - 2014.09.07 03:42:00 -
[67] - Quote
mrjknyazev wrote:Perhaps James forgot that this is just a rare ship, not limited-edition one. The more of them will get built in time (and killed), the less special the stories behind killing them will sound. There are, according to zKillboard, only about ten of these flying around. These kills will remain very rare and far between, and each one will be special of its own accord - that is, excluding those who frivolously "donate" theirs to dumb events.
mrjknyazev wrote:The Revenant was legit, not created by dev-hacks The event was, however, created by dev hacks. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Devin Wallace
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.07 03:43:00 -
[68] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Anslo wrote:I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you. It's content creation of the worst kind. "Come shoot at this rare ship that I'm going to sacrifice for you, all you have to do is show up!" It cheapens the experience of killing such ships for people who do so naturally, with the tremendous amount of planning, waiting, and psychological manipulation required. Now any schlepper could just show up and effortlessly add a Revenant killmail to their board and show it off as if they actually did something to earn it. It's a ******* trophy for participation.
The ship itself being rare is only appreciated by the more experienced capsuleers who know how hard it is to grind their way up from the very bottom, but from a publicity standpoint apparently one of the largest selling points to EVE online is "record breaking amount of players in one battle!"
The TiDi and blob of nearly impossible to render polygons is the PREMIER content creation to attain in EVE, this is what every new player aspires to experience. And it's largely unenjoyed. They figure that out after the first time. The only real reason to endure the unenjoyable lagfest is to get a lollipop or a pat on the head when it's finally over in the form of a killmail or the positive feedback from allied forces. So I see what you're getting at, it wasn't a fight over Sov, a grudge match between longstanding rivals, or some other circumstance that capsuleers have a vested personal interest in, it was just a staged incident with no actual story or consequence to it. Feels cheap and pointless. We didn't even get a cookie for it.
So sad. I hope I don't meet the worm that creates the holes, -ámust be immortal. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
818
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Posted - 2014.09.07 07:23:00 -
[69] - Quote
With above comments in mind, don't forget what the puprose of the Revenant kill was. It was part of a promotional campaign to put the eve gambling site Eve-Bet on the charts. They can do with the isk what they want, just as Goonswarm got the numbers to do whatever they want (for both, up to certain limits ofc )
Such acts are not that rare, carriers & sometimes supercarriers do meet their end at regular intervals in various staged events, usually in the form of *Come kill my capital ship!*. Have a look at the Ingame event forum & check out the first page, usually has a capital ship kill getting advertised. These events tend to attract plenty of attention, if not for the capital kill, it sure does attract people who enjoy shooting other people.
This event attracted more attention, because it had a rare supercarrier as focal point to kill, add to it that CCP backed it up, and you get stuff like this, unbearable TiDi. Alot of the poeple knew it would happen, they still went anyway. Seriously, the moment the target system NIsuwa got announced, TiDi struck various systems across EvE, including Jita & Amarr simply on account of sheer number of ships undocking! That should have been a warning!
I do admit, TiDi battles are horrible to be part of, specially if you're new to it all. I had the 'luck' that the Revenant carrier arrived on the grid I was on, watching the fleet & TiDi buildup on grid from a first row perspective. Glad I was just reporting on the event, because just shooting in that mess would been an achievement.
Does it cheapen the experience of killing capitals (and rare ships)? Yes Is it content creation? Yes
Not all content creation has to enrich Eve's lore & background (wether it is NPC or player lore) Albeit my preference does go out to those that do. I still rank this event higher then some of the other content creations that involve ganking defenseless ships for sport. To elaborate, I'm fine with ships getting ganked for profit, or if the ganking operation is of such scale it obviously includes effort (burn jita) But merely getting awarded for killing the most miners? Then I rather see events like this, where actual risk is involved. Ganking miners holds barely any risk, because the ship you use is already incalculated to get lost by concord & nobody will oppose you, Risk free Pvp yay! Revenant Carrier destroyed as promotional stunt by Eve-Bet!-á -áSansha's Nation intensifies attacks! |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1522
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Posted - 2014.09.07 07:43:00 -
[70] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: The event was, however, created by dev hacks.
Would you care to explain? Anyone can request a system reinforced if they are expecting a large fleet fight. I think 4900 people qualifies. Someone built the Rev. Someone flew the Rev. A Rev can go into low sec.
Where is the Dev hackage here? I'm honestly curious exactly how CCP 'cheated' the game to make this event happen, as far as I know the only thing they did was reinforce the node and watch it in person. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2843
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Posted - 2014.09.07 08:08:00 -
[71] - Quote
Oh, what's this in my breakfast platter?
(takes a sip)
Mmmh, PvP tears! Tasty!
The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1340
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Posted - 2014.09.07 08:42:00 -
[72] - Quote
This is the funniest thread since months. So much carebear rage because of a free kill in a promotion event. It is like people went to **** convention and participated in an attempt Byte sacha grey to break the world record Byte giving head to 4000 guys in a row and everyone wants a photo as proof for their buddies. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Eve-Bet One
Eve-Bet
22
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Posted - 2014.09.07 11:47:00 -
[73] - Quote
Hi Ladies and Gents,
Firstly, on behalf of Eve-bet.com, thankyou to everyone who participated in the Event. There was Tidi, Tears and in the end, a dead Revenant.
Also, thankyou for being patient with us while we see what can be done about the Kill Mail. We want to give some time to CCP to see if they can do anything. However, with 4800+ people in local...we're firmly in the experimental and the record books!
The pod mail was generated, and 5 PLEX have already been contracted to Manic M1ner for getting the final blow. We have 45 more PLEX that we will be giving out. At this stage, the Revenant KM has not been generated. Absolute worst case, we have the combat logs from the event (over 35000 lines), and we will generate some fair method of giving out the remaining 45 PLEX. I am not sure what that will be, but the process will be completely transparent.
Thankyou again for participating.
Cheers, Eve-Bet One
P.S. Alliance Tournament XII Finals start in a little over 3 hours! Come place your wager at http://eve-bet.com |
Master Penken
2
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Posted - 2014.09.07 14:54:00 -
[74] - Quote
Eve-Bet One wrote:I am not sure what that will be, but the process will be completely transparent. This is what all politicians say and never do.
Never. Death is the ugly fact which Nature has to hide, and she hides it well.
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Kaiia Gavlas Thessia
Ravens' Nest Overload Everything
49
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:51:00 -
[75] - Quote
who cares?
Maybe this will discourage people from doing public events, as they are stupid and suck regions dry for a ti-di farce.
I'd be more impressed with the winner of a frigate 1v1 than a guy who killed a "public event" super. OUTLAW HORIZON IS NOW KILL. RIP IN PIECE #dreadbomb2014 |
Master Penken
4
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Posted - 2014.09.07 16:22:00 -
[76] - Quote
Kaiia Gavlas Thessia wrote:who cares?
Maybe this will discourage people from doing public events, as they are stupid and suck regions dry for a ti-di farce.
I'd be more impressed with the winner of a frigate 1v1 than a guy who killed a "public event" super. If there's no killmail then it didn't die.
Death is the ugly fact which Nature has to hide, and she hides it well.
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Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
2123
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:27:00 -
[77] - Quote
... waves hands back and forth... 'Don't lick frogs again. There's no such thing as giant turds in space'.
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4715
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:56:00 -
[78] - Quote
Felicity Love wrote:... waves hands back and forth... 'Don't lick frogs again. There's no such thing as giant turds in space'. I don't knew w about that, iv met some capsulier's that would fall under that description. =][= |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11415
|
Posted - 2014.09.07 21:01:00 -
[79] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: The event was, however, created by dev hacks.
Would you care to explain? Anyone can request a system reinforced if they are expecting a large fleet fight. I think 4900 people qualifies. Someone built the Rev. Someone flew the Rev. A Rev can go into low sec. Where is the Dev hackage here? I'm honestly curious exactly how CCP 'cheated' the game to make this event happen, as far as I know the only thing they did was reinforce the node and watch it in person. The ship was moved into an incursion system by devs, and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it also placed in station? Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1950
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Posted - 2014.09.08 03:42:00 -
[80] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: The event was, however, created by dev hacks.
Would you care to explain? Anyone can request a system reinforced if they are expecting a large fleet fight. I think 4900 people qualifies. Someone built the Rev. Someone flew the Rev. A Rev can go into low sec. Where is the Dev hackage here? I'm honestly curious exactly how CCP 'cheated' the game to make this event happen, as far as I know the only thing they did was reinforce the node and watch it in person. The ship was moved into an incursion system by devs, and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it also placed in station? My assumption on the latter is based on them having done exactly that before, with Marlona Sky's Nyx.
It was not an Incursion system, and it did not undock. It cyno'd in and warped to a Large compound where 4800 people dogpiled on it and shot eachother, as well. You clearly weren't there. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2014.09.08 05:47:00 -
[81] - Quote
I'd rather forget about the event than to see a killmail of it. It was ******** boring thanks to 4500+ in system and the great slow motion mechanism of tidi.
It was fun to hit warp to the site and enter warp minutes later. Then land on the site another few minutes later. Then grid load a couple minutes later. Then.....targeting the ship...that was the great part. Took minutes just to lock it. Firing weapons was fun. Waited minutes for that to work. Then waiting for the log to register a hit. Finally seeing I hit it, I said **** this this **** is too much fun, so I warped out. That took a lot of minutes to happen. Actually went and made me a sandwich, came back and my ship was just starting to enter warp.
Yes that was a great event. I look forward to the next one.... |
Tycho VI
Nanashi no Geemu FOX.HOUND
3
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Posted - 2014.09.08 07:54:00 -
[82] - Quote
Damn really wanted that killmail hehehe....lets be real 4000 people showed up to put one of the rarest ships in their books. |
5yndr0m3
Origin. Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2014.09.08 09:08:00 -
[83] - Quote
Revenant KM |
Thorr VonAsgard
Never Surrender.
42
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Posted - 2014.09.08 09:35:00 -
[84] - Quote
please CCP generate that KM ^^ |
Prototype Delta
Prototype Research and Technologies
4
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Posted - 2014.09.08 15:06:00 -
[85] - Quote
Can a Dev or GM confirm that there won't be a killmail generated? |
Johann Landier
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
4
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Posted - 2014.09.08 15:45:00 -
[86] - Quote
I would like to hear at least a response from someone at CCP on what's going on. This is five pages and four days later. I realize this weekend was busy with at AT but at least a " we're working on it " from CCP would be great. Despite what ever you think of events such as these 5000 people took the time to come out and play. I had fun being a part of it but I would like to know what CCP is doing about the KM..... |
Torneach Structor
Showup Fleet
84
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Posted - 2014.09.08 15:50:00 -
[87] - Quote
Go shoot a statue.
That'll get CCP's attention. |
Durzel
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
260
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Posted - 2014.09.08 17:00:00 -
[88] - Quote
Ban killmails. Gas thread. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
668
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Posted - 2014.09.08 17:11:00 -
[89] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Devin Wallace wrote:Without a kill report, the entire thing was just a meaningless lag-fest.
These kinds of events are ********. Nothing spoils the organic gameplay that makes EVE what it is more than scheduled and themed events with ******* prize giveaways. They're nothing more than theme park attractions.
We need more Titans jumping instead of bridging then. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
668
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Posted - 2014.09.08 17:18:00 -
[90] - Quote
Altirius Saldiaro wrote:I'd rather forget about the event than to see a killmail of it. It was ******** boring thanks to 4500+ in system and the great slow motion mechanism of tidi.
It was fun to hit warp to the site and enter warp minutes later. Then land on the site another few minutes later. Then grid load a couple minutes later. Then.....targeting the ship...that was the great part. Took minutes just to lock it. Firing weapons was fun. Waited minutes for that to work. Then waiting for the log to register a hit. Finally seeing I hit it, I said **** this this **** is too much fun, so I warped out. That took a lot of minutes to happen. Actually went and made me a sandwich, came back and my ship was just starting to enter warp.
Yes that was a great event. I look forward to the next one....
Compared to how it use to be. Where you didn't know if you were connected to the server or not. Waiting for the client to crash as the node crashed causing the server to go sideways as well. |
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Tycho VI
Nanashi no Geemu FOX.HOUND
3
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:40:00 -
[91] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:Altirius Saldiaro wrote:I'd rather forget about the event than to see a killmail of it. It was ******** boring thanks to 4500+ in system and the great slow motion mechanism of tidi.
It was fun to hit warp to the site and enter warp minutes later. Then land on the site another few minutes later. Then grid load a couple minutes later. Then.....targeting the ship...that was the great part. Took minutes just to lock it. Firing weapons was fun. Waited minutes for that to work. Then waiting for the log to register a hit. Finally seeing I hit it, I said **** this this **** is too much fun, so I warped out. That took a lot of minutes to happen. Actually went and made me a sandwich, came back and my ship was just starting to enter warp.
Yes that was a great event. I look forward to the next one.... Compared to how it use to be. Where you didn't know if you were connected to the server or not. Waiting for the client to crash as the node crashed causing the server to go sideways as well.
Yeah TIDI is great compared to what used to happen....back in 2006 or so....everyone had single core processor....battles over 600 people would be too much. Remember getting a FPS lagspike in a massive battle, locked up the entire computer, couldnt alt tab, only option was restarting, i waited 10 mins and the next frame showed up of my pod at station hahaha....maybe TIDI is the reason these massive coalitions are able to exist
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Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2014.09.08 23:20:00 -
[92] - Quote
So what have we learned from this event?
That killmails only being available to the person who got last damage is stupid beyond belief.
Hoping Im not making a false assumption here. Even if I am, that really is damn stupid! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11421
|
Posted - 2014.09.08 23:20:00 -
[93] - Quote
Jarod Garamonde wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: The event was, however, created by dev hacks.
Would you care to explain? Anyone can request a system reinforced if they are expecting a large fleet fight. I think 4900 people qualifies. Someone built the Rev. Someone flew the Rev. A Rev can go into low sec. Where is the Dev hackage here? I'm honestly curious exactly how CCP 'cheated' the game to make this event happen, as far as I know the only thing they did was reinforce the node and watch it in person. The ship was moved into an incursion system by devs, and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it also placed in station? My assumption on the latter is based on them having done exactly that before, with Marlona Sky's Nyx. It was not an Incursion system, and it did not undock. It cyno'd in and warped to a Large compound where 4800 people dogpiled on it and shot eachother, as well. You clearly weren't there. No, I wasn't there. I never tried to give any impression that I was. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
5yndr0m3
Origin. Black Legion.
13
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Posted - 2014.09.09 00:04:00 -
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CCP Fox Four confirmed on reddit, that the KM was not generated due to server lag,
Quote:It doesn't exist.
TiDi at less than 10% plus that many people on the killmail means server goes welp!
Also, the logs show lots... Just not anything about that killmail.
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cpu939
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
62
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Posted - 2014.09.09 03:18:00 -
[95] - Quote
5yndr0m3 wrote:CCP Fox Four confirmed on reddit, that the KM was not generated due to server lag, Quote:It doesn't exist.
TiDi at less than 10% plus that many people on the killmail means server goes welp!
Also, the logs show lots... Just not anything about that killmail. Thread/thread
why was that posted to reddit and not the eve forums? i really can't understand why they wouldn't post here where its so easy for all the customers of ccp to find.
do the log not show damage and who did the last damage? |
Rattman
Van Diemen's Demise Pandemic Legion
26
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Posted - 2014.09.09 06:10:00 -
[96] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: The ship was moved into an incursion system by devs, and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it also placed in station?
My assumption on the latter is based on them having done exactly that before, with Marlona Sky's Nyx.
Why dont you shutup about stuff you know nothing about.
there was no low sec incursions so they went to plan b which was create a mission, clean out the first room and teleport it into behind a gate. That didn't work so they teleported it to a large complex so people could warp to.
What was done by the devs was totally doable by players |
Durzel
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
261
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Posted - 2014.09.09 06:58:00 -
[97] - Quote
Event was meaningless anyway really. 99% of the people there are there to plink a super, they didn't care whose it was or why the event (or any other like it) was being run in the first place.
Whilst it's vaguely interesting that this is the highest number of people in one place it's not like they were there for genuine reasons ala Asakai et al, so it's not like it is relevant for CCP PR.
My heart truly bleeds for self-confessed killmail obsessives, particularly ones where their hollow contribution of a lone plink was irrelevant. |
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:13:00 -
[98] - Quote
Some dude claims to have calculated the total blows, and has a link to the 3k+ pilots. Would be good to have this independently confirmed, ofc.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2fttqx/so_that_revenant_killmail/ckd9564 |
Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty
36
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:16:00 -
[99] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=372417&find=unread |
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:22:00 -
[100] - Quote
Yeah, saw that .tab data file but it doesn't have summaries. I like how the pastebin is all already summed up for us.
And no, not downloading the windows app from 'not a trusted' (as opposed to untrusted) source - I hope you understand.
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Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty
39
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:25:00 -
[101] - Quote
Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:Yeah, saw that .tab data file but it doesn't have summaries. I like how the pastebin is all already summed up for us. And no, not downloading the windows app from 'not a trusted' (as opposed to untrusted) source - I hope you understand.
Fine, I've added something to the other. But if you're going to go trusting some random dudes 'summary' instead of being able to see all 32+ thousand lines of damage. Don't take my word for it. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
819
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Posted - 2014.09.09 09:05:00 -
[102] - Quote
Added Carribean Queen's info to my revenant article, along with the shortened summary provided by NullSecHobo. I will keep following the developments, in case there's errors that need correction.
The report I did on it: Revenant Supercarrier destroyed as promotional stunt by Eve-Bet, now with Revenant kill list info! Happy reading!
Revenant Carrier destroyed as promotional stunt by Eve-Bet! Now with-áRevenant kill list included!-á -áSansha's Nation intensifies attacks! |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1968
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Posted - 2014.09.09 09:58:00 -
[103] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: No, I wasn't there. I never tried to give any impression that I was.
Then quit with the conjecture and tinfoil hattery. You're stretching to vilify CCP for something that was no human being's fault, and accusing them of "devhaxoring" to show favor..... yet, curiously, you're one of the first to snap on people when someone suggests that Goons are in bed with the entire devteam.
This was a server flub, not an intentional act. That guy's list shows I only did 4k damage, but the notifications on my screen added up to WAY more than that. So obviously the server lost more than just a killmail. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
5yndr0m3
Origin. Black Legion.
13
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Posted - 2014.09.09 11:16:00 -
[104] - Quote
cpu939 wrote:5yndr0m3 wrote:CCP Fox Four confirmed on reddit, that the KM was not generated due to server lag, Quote:It doesn't exist.
TiDi at less than 10% plus that many people on the killmail means server goes welp!
Also, the logs show lots... Just not anything about that killmail. Thread/thread why was that posted to reddit and not the eve forums? i really can't understand why they wouldn't post here where its so easy for all the customers of ccp to find. do the log not show damage and who did the last damage?
More people read /r/eve than the offical forums.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
21
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:04:00 -
[105] - Quote
Chribba wrote:Surely the logs show nothing, as the whole event was just fake... /c Meanwhile, at CCP HQ |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:44:00 -
[106] - Quote
Living up to its name - it never existed! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11424
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:43:00 -
[107] - Quote
Jarod Garamonde wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: No, I wasn't there. I never tried to give any impression that I was.
Then quit with the conjecture and tinfoil hattery. You're stretching to vilify CCP for something that was no human being's fault, Wait, what specifically are you referring to? I'm not vilifying CCP at all. The reason I assumed that CCP moved the ship (into station in an incursion system) is because that's exactly what they did for Marlona Sky's Flight of a Thousand Rifters III. I figured the organizer of this event would want a similar environment.
Jarod Garamonde wrote:and accusing them of "devhaxoring" to show favor..... yet, curiously, you're one of the first to snap on people when someone suggests that Goons are in bed with the entire devteam. Except that I was accusing them of doing something they've done before. And it's not to suggest that they can't or shouldn't be allowed to run events, but rather that (as far as CCP is concerned) they really shouldn't use tricks to set up a more arena-style scenario. Since they didn't, that point is moot.
Jarod Garamonde wrote:This was a server flub, not an intentional act. That guy's list shows I only did 4k damage, but the notifications on my screen added up to WAY more than that. So obviously the server lost more than just a killmail. Okay? I know why the killmail wasn't generated. The killmail had nothing to do with my point. My main point was simply that events like this are dumb because of how they're essentially fake, content and a rare ship kill handed to you on a silver platter without any effort involved. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:46:00 -
[108] - Quote
God, some of you are so sour about all this.
As far as I can see, the fun is just continuing with the speculation of who actually won from all the KM and battle log reconstructions. It's kinda like the Florida chad situation, for you yanks, and particularly appropriate for a game that celebrates a certain level of morbidity as Eve does. |
Ludy Oswald
Sirius Fleet
0
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:18:00 -
[109] - Quote
I suggest CCP handing out T-Shirts to everyone who was in the system at the time.
It should read: "I tried to ***** on the Revenant kill mail and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" or something alike.
That would be lush. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1969
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Posted - 2014.09.09 19:34:00 -
[110] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: No, I wasn't there. I never tried to give any impression that I was.
Then quit with the conjecture and tinfoil hattery. You're stretching to vilify CCP for something that was no human being's fault, Wait, what specifically are you referring to? I'm not vilifying CCP at all. The reason I assumed that CCP moved the ship (into station in an incursion system) is because that's exactly what they did for Marlona Sky's Flight of a Thousand Rifters III. I figured the organizer of this event would want a similar environment. Jarod Garamonde wrote:and accusing them of "devhaxoring" to show favor..... yet, curiously, you're one of the first to snap on people when someone suggests that Goons are in bed with the entire devteam. Except that I was accusing them of doing something they've done before. And it's not to suggest that they can't or shouldn't be allowed to run events, but rather that (as far as CCP is concerned) they really shouldn't use tricks to set up a more arena-style scenario. Since they didn't, that point is moot. Jarod Garamonde wrote:This was a server flub, not an intentional act. That guy's list shows I only did 4k damage, but the notifications on my screen added up to WAY more than that. So obviously the server lost more than just a killmail. Okay? I know why the killmail wasn't generated. The killmail had nothing to do with my point. My main point was simply that events like this are dumb because of how they're essentially fake, content and a rare ship kill handed to you on a silver platter without any effort involved.
I think we're starting to arrive at a common ground, here.
Let me say this, though.... the event happened in lowsec, off-station. No sentry guns, no CONCORD. It was a 4800-person free-for-all, pretty much. You come in, and you're liable to get blapped by just about anyone on grid. And unlike in Marlona's event, the Revenant was shooting back.
If this were truly the kind of situation you want to see it as, the Rev would have been devhacked into highsec and flagged itself suspect, so that all you could do is shoot the Rev without getting insta-CONCORDoken'd. Or perhaps system lockdown after the first 1500 people got in.
None of those things happened. There was risk involved, and lots of it. Not just from other people, but from the target, itself. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
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Foxstar Damaskeenus
Soul Takers
205
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Posted - 2014.09.09 20:00:00 -
[111] - Quote
This thread is like in fleet chat when I have to type "killmail? "who got the ******* killmail? this your first day playing eve?" |
Zaryte
Sons-of-Liberty The Unthinkables
50
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Posted - 2014.09.10 22:43:00 -
[112] - Quote
Ludy Oswald wrote:I suggest CCP handing out T-Shirts to everyone who was in the system at the time.
It should read: "I tried to ***** on the Revenant kill mail and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" or something alike.
That would be lush.
http://i.imgur.com/PxlTOCI.png |
Drigo Segvian
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:01:00 -
[113] - Quote
Last time I bother with an event. At least I got in shot the thing and got out alive after it died..... |
Tsukinosuke
Id Est The Volition Cult
10
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:57:00 -
[114] - Quote
CHECK Crimewatch Logs, Flags, Limited Engagement Flag, Kuro Hakaisha..
anti-antagonist-á "not a friend of enemy of antagonist" |
Celestal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.12 18:38:00 -
[115] - Quote
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:However, always remember: that kill will be "REAL PVP" lol :P Nothing like 2000+ players whoring on a killmail :P
Oh what irony this coming from an alliance that runs from ships that can shoot back , I hear you kids left the alliance tournament in a hissy fit when you learnt that the opposition was allowed to fire back ?
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