Probably the 4000 people on the mail made the api poop its pants. Are there any other examples of a mail with so many people on it?

Null sec is not all under tiDI as long as you stay away from large fleets. TiDI and the current large fleet fights is not fun, except for the elite few in command positions. This is one of the reason I chose to play this game solo, and I hope that CCP will at some point fix the issues with tiDI and large numbers of players in the same location, though it is quite a technical challenge I am sure.

When I get into null sec, I never go closer than two systems from the systems marked in red when looking at the map on the dotlan, with jumps selected. It is not a sure guarantee to avoid tiDI, but a fairly good indication of the risks of encountering large groups.

I also stay away of all the community events, as they are mostly IMHO a loss of time because of TiDI and the randomness that ensues. The last big fight I have been in was B-R5RB and it cured me from fleet fights under tiDI.

As a note, this is one of the reason CCP needs to cater to solo or small groups more than they do now. I am glad CCP Seagull has this on her radar (see sig link).

Stay in the game, and I hope you find your own entertainment niche...

I did not attend because TiDi is a very big toll on my soul, as a lot of people know / would agree. But it's good to see TiDi acknowledged as a viable strategy. It represents the removal of a very big disadvantage to multiboxing, which is reaction time.

I dislike TiDi, but it's not necessarily a bad thing (it has its advantages). However, until I have a reason to subject myself to it, I will avoid it when I can.

[I've made peace with TiDi]

CCP any reply about the km?

So, we have a topic without any participation from Eve-Bet and CCP Explorer giving recommendations to the Revenant pilot(who may never see this post) to write a support ticket ? Well I would recommend that CCP Explorer write an in game mail to the pilot asking him DIRECTLY to write to support for a KNOWN issue.

Btw, I was there and TiDi is a cancer, after an hour of trying to repair my fleet members(actually just trying to lock them) I've got bored and docked (obviously another one of my chars died in the "docking state"). On a side note, missiles on one window were hitting the Revenant and RR's on the other window were stuck, so no, it does not fix lag issues.

And i was thinking about moving to null as the CCP killed the WH space, but I'm sure that after seeing such a cancer (called TiDi) you wouldn't see me living there.

Btw, I was there and TiDi is a cancer,

At the risk of repeating myself: Time Dilation doesn't fix lag issues, it mitigates load to enable vastly larger engagements to be had before lag issues set in.

Well without a kill mail the whole thing was a complete waste of time in my opinion.

Yes. I have the basic understanding on how TiDi works. It was my first experience with it, and i was really dissapointed, as i was expecting to see batch commands processing, so if someone would generate an event, the event and time would be recorded and in some time we would see the result, but in this case i've heard how people were already shooting the rev while i was still locking it(even if they warped after me).

So, we have a topic without any participation from Eve-Bet...

I would recommend that the Revenant pilot contact Customer Support regarding any issues with the kill report.

...CCP Explorer giving recommendations to the Revenant pilot(who may never see this post) to write a support ticket ? Well I would recommend that CCP Explorer write an in game mail to the pilot asking him DIRECTLY to write to support for a KNOWN issue.

I dont think people grasp how incredible it is that 4000 pilots can be on a grid and it still function, even at the incredibly slow pace of tidi.

4000 pilots.

For reference, thats more players in system than a WoW server supports.... in one fight. You know tidi will kick in at an event like this, its up to you if you want to attend. If you dont like it, go do something in a small gang elsewhere and be lag free. It just amazes me how people think CCP are sh*t because of tidi when its actually an incredible bit of wizardry that it all works as well as it does.

Just to be clear: You weren't experiencing Time Dilation, you were experiencing soul crushing lag.

I dont think people grasp how incredible it is that 4000 pilots can be on a grid and it still function, even at the incredibly slow pace of tidi.

4000 pilots.

For reference, thats more players in system than a WoW server supports.... in one fight. You know tidi will kick in at an event like this, its up to you if you want to attend. If you dont like it, go do something in a small gang elsewhere and be lag free. It just amazes me how people think CCP are sh*t because of tidi when its actually an incredible bit of wizardry that it all works as well as it does.

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Single shard events and big fights don't work in EVE. They work only in press. It's time to wake up.

This. And well said.

Actually, that is exactly the reason most of us play EVE. Single Shard.
I have learnt to loath multi shard games. Especially multi shard PvP games. All they do in encourage cross shard spying, dirty tactics and throw away troll accounts. Obviously these still exist on EVE, But at least here they aren't from the 'well I pay a subscription for my main shard, and it lets me make accounts on all these other shards so TROLL'

The big fights also work, you just have to learn how to play while under TiDi, and also learn how to deal with lag. Pro Tip, hammering away at F1 is not the right way.

Lastly, this was not a CCP event. This was a player event. Don't blame CCP for piling you all into one system, they had nothing to do with that.

I was talking about single shard server when comes to big battles and events, you potato. Big battles don't work because they're absolutely not fun to play. No matter how many tricks you know to play under tidi/lag. It's boring, it's bad, it's soul crushing.

CCP gave an official and direct support to this event, however I fail to see where I blamed CCP for anything, since my reaction was to a player who thinks people should be grateful and silent because we have a technological miracle while playing under miserable gaming experience.

Please read the context properly next time, before mumbling unicorn's poops.

Time Dilation is a mechanism to cope with load. As I explained in my first post, in terms of load there are 3 stages: Controlled CPU, 100% CPU but controlled Time Dilation, 100% CPU and 10% Time Dilation and Dogma Lateness setting in. It is when we get to a really large number of pilots (such as the 4920 pilots at peak in this case) and enormous load beyond what 10% Time Dilation can cope with that we start to see issues.

Hard population cap is not the answer; that will become a tactic where the cap will be used to lock people out and avoid a fight.

In terms of answers:

1. More servers :) Just this week we were preparing RFPs for new hardware, to replace TQ.
2. Team Gridlock is continuing on rewriting Dogma and on the Brain-in-a-Box project. There are also other things on the table such as drone-swarms where all drones act in a swarm like one drone, this would be similar to the grouped gun system. Given the O(n^2) nature of drones this would significantly reduce load in certain scenarios.
3. The last part is more tricky and the one we would appreciate feedback: How can we spread large fights over multiple systems in such a manner that it's fun for everyone involved? Some sort of a simultaneous mega-objective across multiple systems but only when there are many involved so you could still have single-system fights depending on man-power (we don't want to require people to always have 3000+ pilot fleets). This happened in B-R since there were fights in the staging systems and Titans and fleets were intercepted en route to B-R.

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Single shard events and big fights don't work in EVE. They work only in press. It's time to wake up.

And you should grasp that I don't give a flying unicorn about how many players can EVE handle in one system or how amazing technical achievement it is. That's stuff to celebrate in dedicated experiments, in special stress-server games and demos.

I am a player and paying customer in a mainstream MMO, and wonder no more, in events like these, I care and will care only about fun factor, not about how many people can the server handle.

All this notion about being grateful because being part of absolutely unplayable, boring, "good for press" experiment is sassy. I don't give a chocolate monkey milk about 4000 people in one system without any signs of fun, when I can have more fun even watching 40 people farting in real life.

Single shard events and big fights don't work in EVE. They work only in press. It's time to wake up.

Those new to TiDi fights;

Revenant event was not an example how TiDi fights work. Do not diss TiDi based on this horrendously laggy "I'm shocked the server didn't die in a fire"-event.

Normal TiDi fights work perfectly well, just slowly.

Revenant event worked very poorly. Guns got stuck, response times varied, some commands never got processed etc. Even the infamous "soul-crushing lag" popup was reported from time to time.

..but for those who are old timers, this used to be the norm for 800-1000 people fights. Past 1000 the server just keeled over and died (everyone got kicked out). TiDi and general improvements in server code allowed the server to stay alive at nearly 5000 pilots and you still could kinda, maybe do something if you tried really hard and had a lot of patience.

(TiDi commonly kicks in at around 500+ people fights, with some TiDi "spikes" during large fleet jumps/undocks even with smaller pilot counts)

Those who were in system early can confirm that the Revenant event system worked fine (under TiDi) until it hit slightly over 2000 pilots in local.