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Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 01:50:00 - [151] Originally by: Jarnisso It's sad to see so many replys that poke fun, ridicule and critisie, just wait until it happens to you, without a safe area of space to reside in, how will a economy grow? The replys to this topic just go to show, just how bad and distasteful the EVE comunity can be. It won't ever happen to me (and many others) because we are SMART enough to use t2 indys with strong tanks!
Matsa'Mahar	Posted - 2006.08.01 01:59:00 - [152] Originally by: Bhaal Originally by: SmokinDank Originally by: Bhaal Quote: You know when I first started playing the game there was a problem where a group of morons (similiar to the highsec gankers in mentality I guess) would gather around the system spawnpoints and start killing you before you even loaded the screen. Sometimes you would be podded before it finished. Usually because they would jet cans all over the place to lag you out. CCP let people do this for months and declared it ok. And the same forum fools who defend high sec ganking, defended that also. I think that says it all. So true. Reminds me of all the people supporting Hezbollah these days... Morons, simply put! Comparing Eve to R/L FTL... you make me sick EVE is a game I play in RL... I play with RL people. I can't help it if some players and their actions remind me of other RL people... I don't sit down at the keyboard & foget about RL when I play... In that case I recomend you seek professional help dude.
Bhaal Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:03:00 - [153] Originally by: Matsa'Mahar Originally by: Bhaal Originally by: SmokinDank Originally by: Bhaal Quote: You know when I first started playing the game there was a problem where a group of morons (similiar to the highsec gankers in mentality I guess) would gather around the system spawnpoints and start killing you before you even loaded the screen. Sometimes you would be podded before it finished. Usually because they would jet cans all over the place to lag you out. CCP let people do this for months and declared it ok. And the same forum fools who defend high sec ganking, defended that also. I think that says it all. So true. Reminds me of all the people supporting Hezbollah these days... Morons, simply put! Comparing Eve to R/L FTL... you make me sick EVE is a game I play in RL... I play with RL people. I can't help it if some players and their actions remind me of other RL people... I don't sit down at the keyboard & foget about RL when I play... In that case I recomend you seek professional help dude. LOL, I'd tell ppl who get totally immersed in EVE and forget about RL to seek professional help, but whatever... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:03:00 - [154] Actually, its all the "griefers" who gave the OP solid advice and tried to explain the nature of EvE, while the "good guys" ranted on about their moral views and their selfish desires to make the game into something neither the creators nor the players want it to be. And of course, this RL comparison flamebait that managed to insult a lot of great and decent people and make controversial political statements about a conflict that is has neither black nor white at the same time. I think you need to understand something: its not fun when you put someone in checkmate, and he breaks down in tears and cries about what a sick person you must be. See, i think its extremely stupid to beat people and get beaten up, but that doesnt mean that i challenge someone to a boxfight, then sue him for hitting me in the face. The problem with eve are neither the game mechanics, nor the sick kittenslaying psychos that play it. Its the lack of explanation of its very nature to the newbs. Dont like it? Dont waste your time playing it. Maybe you cannot understand that people actually enjoy getting ganked in high sec. See, im an officer modules trader, and after this Jita mess started, i stopped hauling those modules worth billions of ISK in t1 frigates. Yet i think its fun. You can react by admitting that people can feel differently, like different things etc, or you can call me a sick psycho. But as you can see from this thread, your opinions about others dont actually say anything about them, but everything about you.
Infinity Ziona ISK LLC	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:08:00 - [155] Originally by: Eilie Can you lazy carebears (whom are most likely from WoW) please stop trying to make this a PvE game. We play this game because there is risk and danger from other REAL PEOPLE! Myself, along with many others, are smart enough to have never been killed by a suicide gank, nor have I ever tried to suicide gank someone else (cause I'm too nice.) But I love the suicide gankers because they show Darwinism at it's best and weed out all the people who are too lazy or lack the intelligence to play this game! So if you disagree about this, please just go play WoW (or one of the many other carebear PvE games out there) and leave us alone to enjoy what is the last REAL MMO where skill and intelligence actually matter. Thank you! The entire reason I hate this tactic is because there is very little risk and danger involved. 1. Your guaranteed to get your insurance back. No risk. 2. Nobody can attack you while your sitting in Jita in your Raven scanning ships. No risk. 3. Your guaranteed that nobody can kill you in retaliation once you gank the hauler. No risk. 4. Your guaranteed not to be podded once your concorded or the person loses -2 sec. No risk. 5. You can use an alt since a Raven can be skilled for very quickly. No risk. Its a low no risk way of ganking ships that pose no risk with a no risk chance to lose out. I have never been ganked either but I'm not so selfish to not be able to empathize with the people who assume they are safe in 1.0. And I believe that they have a right to assume that without some retard criticizing them for it. If you want to kill haulers do what most people do and WORK for the kill instead of sitting in a newbie system like a little peon too scared to go where there is risk of retaliation. Damn losers. 'The alliance should not be a solo contentmobile' - Albert Einstein
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:17:00 - [156] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: Eilie Can you lazy carebears (whom are most likely from WoW) please stop trying to make this a PvE game. We play this game because there is risk and danger from other REAL PEOPLE! Myself, along with many others, are smart enough to have never been killed by a suicide gank, nor have I ever tried to suicide gank someone else (cause I'm too nice.) But I love the suicide gankers because they show Darwinism at it's best and weed out all the people who are too lazy or lack the intelligence to play this game! So if you disagree about this, please just go play WoW (or one of the many other carebear PvE games out there) and leave us alone to enjoy what is the last REAL MMO where skill and intelligence actually matter. Thank you! The entire reason I hate this tactic is because there is very little risk and danger involved. 1. Your guaranteed to get your insurance back. No risk. 2. Nobody can attack you while your sitting in Jita in your Raven scanning ships. No risk. 3. Your guaranteed that nobody can kill you in retaliation once you gank the hauler. No risk. 4. Your guaranteed not to be podded once your concorded or the person loses -2 sec. No risk. 5. You can use an alt since a Raven can be skilled for very quickly. No risk. Its a low no risk way of ganking ships that pose no risk with a no risk chance to lose out. I have never been ganked either but I'm not so selfish to not be able to empathize with the people who assume they are safe in 1.0. And I believe that they have a right to assume that without some retard criticizing them for it. If you want to kill haulers do what most people do and WORK for the kill instead of sitting in a newbie system like a little peon too scared to go where there is risk of retaliation. Damn losers. Well I do agree with you that the gankers are also idiots who don't have any skill... but they are a necessary evil as they help get rid of the people who are even more stupid than themselves. There's no reason to empathize with people who are too lazy to use t2 indys with a reasonable tank and especially no reason to empathize with those who will go afk with all of their possessions in the cargo of a slow/weak ship.
Bhaal Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:25:00 - [157] Quote: Well I do agree with you that the gankers are also idiots who don't have any skill... but they are a necessary evil as they help get rid of the people who are even more stupid than themselves. What a moronic statement... "Necessary evil"?? Give me a ******* break... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
CardboardSword42 Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:44:00 - [158] Edited by: CardboardSword42 on 01/08/2006 02:47:29 Originally by: Jarnisso It's sad to see so many replys that poke fun, ridicule and critisie, just wait until it happens to you, without a safe area of space to reside in, how will a economy grow? The replys to this topic just go to show, just how bad and distasteful the EVE comunity can be. See, it won't happen to most of us because we have the common sense to spend a few million isk in tanking equipment if we need to move a few hundred million isk worth of equipment \o/ Also if you're going to use the real life analogy of the police, you should point out that the police are largely a reactionary unit. They cannot go around arresting people just because they look shady. So what should concord do? Kill everyone in a PvP corp that enters hi sec? Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 01/08/2006 02:28:58 Quote: Well I do agree with you that the gankers are also idiots who don't have any skill... but they are a necessary evil as they help get rid of the people who are even more stupid than themselves. What a moronic statement... "Necessary evil"?? Give me a ***** break... Exploiters of poor game mechanics are only good for a couple of things: 1) Getting banned 2) Apprising the DEV's of poor game mechanics Something tells me suicide ganking will NOT be a valid tactic the day EVE shuts down its servers. Then come back and tell me about necessary ***** evil... We are not playing Bhaal Online. It is not up to you to decide what is an exploit, it is up to the developers of EVE Online. They have already voiced their opinion in previous threads that High security space is just that, high security not impregnable nor safe space. I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:45:00 - [159] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 01/08/2006 02:28:58 Quote: Well I do agree with you that the gankers are also idiots who don't have any skill... but they are a necessary evil as they help get rid of the people who are even more stupid than themselves. What a moronic statement... "Necessary evil"?? Give me a ***** break... Exploiters of poor game mechanics are only good for a couple of things: 1) Getting banned 2) Apprising the DEV's of poor game mechanics Something tells me suicide ganking will NOT be a valid tactic the day EVE shuts down its servers. Then come back and tell me about necessary ***** evil... The arn't exploiting anything so they are not going to get banned. The Devs have stated many times that you are not meant to be safe anywhere and that the only exploit would be for the ganker's ship to somehow survive Concord. The only reason "suicide ganking will NOT be a valid tactic the day EVE shuts down its servers" would be if the devs listen to whining carebears who can't deal with a REAL game that requires skill, strategy, and intelligence... but fortunately, the devs have their own vision of the game and ignore all the whining carebears on the forums! /emote bows to the almighty devs! Please keep up the good work!
RaThlan Naaoor	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:50:00 - [160] Edited by: RaThlan Naaoor on 01/08/2006 02:50:23 Originally by: Bhaal Give me a ***** break... gone from trolling to droppin' the F-bomb - nice... you're a real tribute to your alliance :roll: Quote: Exploiters of poor game mechanics If you think they're so poor, why are you playing the game? They're poor in your opinion, maybe/mabye not in actual fact. Quote:** are only good for a couple of things: 1) Getting banned 2) Apprising the DEV's of poor game mechanics Something tells me suicide ganking will NOT be a valid tactic the day EVE shuts down its servers. Inflamatory and speculative, not really very useful comments. Even less so since they're not based in reality.
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:51:00 - [161] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 01/08/2006 02:55:19 Originally by: Viktur Alarus Originally by: Sakura Nihil We're not here to find "good fights", we're here in the game on behalf of Darwin in order to weed out those people that believe their safe anywhere, anytime, and show them that they're not. You invoking Darwin and acting like you're providing a f**ing service to the EVE community is one of the most offensive things I've ever read on these forums. Sweet , my fanclub just grew by 1 person - feel free to express your gratitude with a bounty addition, this service takes funds to keep it running . That being said, pirates do provide a service by weeding out those people that can't accept loss early - I personally wait until they're three months old or flying a nice ship, but others vary. Some even target newbships or people's first frigates or cruisers in highsec, which I'm again. However, if you afk a hauler through highsec now, what's going to happen with the same mindset down the line? Are you going carry a T2 BPO through Amamake and Egghelende in a Badger (which people might still do ), or get a Freighter full of exotic minerals out to 0.0 with no escort through TWX? And before you say "give new players a break", we have alts to deal with - you never know who's new and who's not these days. Pirates knock it into your skulls that you need to use your intelligence in every aspect of this game, from earning your isk to defending your assets, and that no place (save an NPC station) is ever safe. Asking the devs to protect you because you are too weak or lazy to protect yourself shows us all we need to know about your character. Originally by:* Viktur Alarus Although there are a few "enlightened" () individuals on these forums who will defend you, just know that to the bulk of the community you are nothing more than a gutless coward. This coming from you? Someone that wants the game mechanics to protect them when all it takes is a module or two, or even instas(OMG, what a thought!)? If you can't take the heat, go back to WoW and leave this game for people ready to accept even minute amounts of risks bravely and without whining every time they run into an obstacle. PS: That comment about us "griefer supporters" acting like Hezbollah bordered on offensive, I smell a lock coming for the flamefest and poltical references. PPS: I think the only thing Bhaal and I can agree on is that Picard rocks. Picard >>> Kirk .
Guillame Herschel	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:52:00 - [162] Originally by: Asnar How are you having fun in game when you're afk???? Well the alternative was to sit in front of the keyboard while driving an industrial around Empire. If that's fun, well you might have a point.
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:55:00 - [163] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Asnar How are you having fun in game when you're afk???? Well the alternative was to sit in front of the keyboard while driving an industrial around Empire. If that's fun, well you might have a point. You can't turn on your tank or afterburner or use instas while AFK, so ofcourse going afk increases your chance of death...
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:57:00 - [164] I agree that the travel system is boring, but have people considered using instas, or maybe doing something like watching TV while en route? I mean, there are so many forums to *****, travelling is the perfect time opening for it ^^.
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 03:01:00 - [165] Hey Sakura, I love your name and the fact that you also talk about darwinism and weeding out n00bs! Can I join your fanclub?
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.01 03:03:00 - [166] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 01/08/2006 03:03:36 Originally by: Eilie Hey Sakura, I love your name and the fact that you also talk about darwinism and weeding out n00bs! Can I join your fanclub? By all means . Btw, an unrelated quote which I think applies here: Originally by: Plim This thread makes me want nuclear holocaust.
Rumbaar Royal Society Of Khanid	Posted - 2006.08.01 05:28:00 - [167] I see isssue's with the OP firstly since when has a barge cost 25mill? Even if he's talking about a Covetor they aren't that much. That said if he is talking about a covetor why in 0.9 space, then if he has a covetor skills he'll make 100mill in a few days. Packing all that in one hauler, well ... lazyiness won out. Looking for custom banners? click above, Feedback section.
jamesw Omniscient Order Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.01 05:46:00 - [168] Originally by: Disney I pack my barge and everything I own in a Iteron Mk3 Hi Eggs, meet one basket! -- NEW Vid: Domi For the Win!
silent arrow	Posted - 2006.08.01 05:55:00 - [169] hello
silent arrow	Posted - 2006.08.01 05:58:00 - [170] maybe this time
Sha'blach Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.01 06:22:00 - [171] I dunno... sometimes I just like to fly around 1.0/0.9 systems and look for miners in roid belts... I fly close to them and turn on all my tech II guns... then log. They go pop, I almost go pop and it makes for funny ass fraps sessions! ------------ *Peregrinus Amarria*
Skraelingz	Posted - 2006.08.01 06:25:00 - [172] So killing some noob in his brand new iteron when he probably didnt know he could die there, is fun? Friggin pathetic. People dont want a challenging pvp fight they want one that they can win, plain and simple. Easiest way to do that kill some noob that didnt see it coming.
Sha'blach Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.01 06:46:00 - [173] Solo PvP is a joke atm. Real pirates hide behind gank fleets and EW scorpions. They never go solo anymore. Tell me where the honor is in -that-! ------------ *Peregrinus Amarria*
Sir Juri Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.01 06:52:00 - [174] **** Bhaal, if you feel that ganking ppl in highsec is a terrorist act, then you really need to get a life. Its a game, ppl beeing pirates in a game dont shoot their classmates in highschool... (even if morons claim ppl do.) And to infinity whatever your name was, you keep stating you only wanna play this game solo and do PVE, you hate all other players/corps/alliances and you hate the devs and the game itself. You also keep stating you want a better game... -I would like to give props to EVE PR for actually beeing able to sell a game to ppl and make them pay 15dollars a month for something they hate If I ever get a company IL hire you CCP PR consultant. PS: Cant wait for next weeks thread. damn need to make a new sig...
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.01 06:53:00 - [175] Originally by: Skraelingz As far as using intelligence to protect my stuff... sure i agree. However this knowledge isnt availible the minute we start playing the game. There we go, I think we can both agree on this. Whether if its an addition to the tutorial, STAR members advising people that they're not 100% safe from a ship pop or podding in highsec, as well as a warning to people that stealing from a can could cause the owner to aggress. These are a number of newb-friendly changes that need to be undertaken. Its one thing to put all your eggs in the basket knowingly, but another to be in your newb ship taking a volley of torps from a Raven because you stole from his can.
Sha'blach Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.01 06:56:00 - [176] Originally by: Skraelingz Edited by: Skraelingz on 01/08/2006 06:29:30 So killing some noob in his brand new iteron when he probably didnt know he could die there, is fun? Friggin pathetic. People dont want a challenging pvp fight they want one that they can win, plain and simple. Easiest way to do that kill some noob that didnt see it coming. As far as using intelligence to protect my stuff... sure i agree. However this knowledge isnt availible the minute we start playing the game. wow, were you the dude I just pwnd? runs ------------ *Peregrinus Amarria*
Sir Juri Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.01 06:57:00 - [177] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Skraelingz As far as using intelligence to protect my stuff... sure i agree. However this knowledge isnt availible the minute we start playing the game. There we go, I think we can both agree on this. Whether if its an addition to the tutorial, STAR members advising people that they're not 100% safe from a ship pop or podding in highsec, as well as a warning to people that stealing from a can could cause the owner to aggress. These are a number of newb-friendly changes that need to be undertaken. Its one thing to put all your eggs in the basket knowingly, but another to be in your newb ship taking a volley of torps from a Raven because you stole from his can. I learned all of this first day of playing, if I attack someone concord will kill me but I could still kill the guy. I also learned you can steal and get robbed first day from cans. Right in the deadspace tuturial. And I read the new player guide to... And every corp I seen where they recruit new guys inform ppl to. And I never seen anyone mass an amount of 100mill and be this freaking clueless. damn need to make a new sig...
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.01 07:07:00 - [178] Originally by: Jarnisso It's sad to see so many replys that poke fun, ridicule and critisie, just wait until it happens to you, without a safe area of space to reside in, how will a economy grow? The replys to this topic just go to show, just how bad and distasteful the EVE comunity can be. Ummm what ? I WAS Empire ganked, and lost 50% of my wallet to it. Losing a Zealot + a lot of tech II mods etc. Did I cry and whine ? No I laughed at my OWN stupidity and came on here and made a post saying basicly "Gj". What I did wrong... #Packed everything into a tech I Hauler #Couldn't be assed to make an insta #Couldn't be bothered to buble wrap everything I died, purely through my own incompitence! No space is safe ! And to whichever idiot claimed people on empire gank with alts ? HUH ?? Think before you type Alliaanna Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.01 07:28:00 - [179] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 31/07/2006 10:21:27 You learned one very important lesson: CCP allows griefing, especially in high sec. Oh yes, because piracy is griefing.
Gariuys Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.01 07:36:00 - [180] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 31/07/2006 10:21:27 You learned one very important lesson: CCP allows griefing, especially in high sec. Oh yes, because piracy is griefing. And suicide ganking in high secure space is piracy?

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