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Xaarist
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.31 09:31:00 -
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I was thinking about EVE when watching a history documentation on TV. Yes, i am an addict. the topic was imperialism and colonization btw.
so, i want the whole community to discuss if such a thing might happen in EVE similar to the history.
1. will alliances try to get "outposts" there, such as colonies, whilst maintaining their original regions?
2. will alliances without territory try to move there?
3. will alliances eventually give up on their old regions and move in?
feel free to contribute in any way you like. i think it will be a mix of all three tbh. neighboring alliances might want to grab some territory additional to their own. if these are not special regions which offer something you can't find anywhere else in 0.0 i don't really see an alliance give up on their territory and move, maybe those who live in crap regions or are close to a defeat anyways. there will be a territorial deispute for those regions, to my knowledge they come without conquerable stations so it will be a nice time getting started there. i am sure with lots of kills as well. the interesting part would be if these regions are in deed quite good ones. in that case i could imagine some alliances to have "colonies" there. for the price of a more difficult defense, but also as a playground and ISK-making machine. it's always risk vs. reward... of course this is all my personal opinion and crap, and i am not looking for plans that some alliances might have. i am looking for your personal thoughts about this issue...
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Tao Han
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 09:43:00 -
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I have a hard time seeing any of the current "empire alliances" making a move for it, so my guess is that it will be established 0.0 alliances doing a landgrab rush.
Rich alliances with less actual space (RA?) might make a move for it since they have less to lose and getting a new beginning for them might be a good idea.
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Trevcakes
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 10:25:00 -
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The first thing that will happen is everyone sending in MASSES of covert ops and moon scanners to determine which systems are most valuable and then putting up deathstars to secure sovereignty. After that the largest and wealthiest alliances will probably put eggs up in several strategic systems and then build from there.
That, or they'll pull a red alliance and just cram as many poses into a given system as is possible and figure out what's what later. :p
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CEO Rockhound
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 10:31:00 -
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Anyone even know HOW it will be accessible?
If say, you need to have constallation souvreignty and build a 50 billion isk super-duper one-way-jumpgate, then well, I guess the people out there fast will be diffrent than if Concord fires up a gate from Jita.
If anyone asked me, and I could deside, I would make a super-structure costing 50-100 billion isk to make, that need constallation souvreignty to deploy that whould send ships, ONE! way. That gate should allow capital ships to go through as well.
The battles out there whould be epic.
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Karunel
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.07.31 10:31:00 -
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I think we're gonna see Red Alliance pull a Red Alliance in the new regions 
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.31 10:57:00 -
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We'll just let people colonise it for us.
If it looks like it's going to be highly profitable, we'll take it and kick everyone out once it's ready.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Saerid
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.31 11:08:00 -
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I'd vote for the "Exodus" model myself, the financial and logistics commitment means few organizations can keep it up if they split their forces.
Personally I wouldn't be least bit surprised if,yes,RA was among the first movers there. Not that many candidates out there as alliances with fair amount of combat power and no territorial holdings go.
One big thing could be the POS gate arrays if they move from the drawing board into game, that'd probably lead into development in clusters/islands/etc. with a lot of wasteland in between.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.31 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 31/07/2006 11:14:13
Depends on how good these regions are. If they are not good, then not much reason for an established 0.0 alliance to move there, if they have already enough space.
If the regions are good, they will be highly contested.
Guess we are checking them out, watching the situation a bit like who's trying to move in. Maybe try to intercept and gank some people, who go there in the beginning. Catch some tasty haulers for some free pos maybe ? 
We'll see ...
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Rover Vitesse
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 11:14:00 -
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I think a major factor will be the access to these regions. It's common knowledge that they will be in the east, but the placement of the jumpgates will be very important. I expect the current Alliances that border onto them to have a major say in how these regions are colonized, nobody would want new entities riding roughshod over their areas to get access. It would be nice if there was access from Empire, as it could turn into something like the Californian gold rush. Have CCP released where the jumpgates will be yet?
Rovers Chronicles
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Tao Han
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:10:00 -
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Yes, the location of the jumpgates will be interesting, if they are "behind" BoB space for example they will naturally claim it fast and try to hang on to it giving them an even bigger moneymaking machine.
But then again since space isnt "flat" it could also be connected directly to empire and that would make things easier for upcommng alliances and as stated before given that there will be no conquerable stations and it will have to be built from scratch, money will be a big issue at the beginning combined with roaming gank squads.
Also the rumored rogue drones will be nice...
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Recluse Viramor
Chosen Path
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Recluse Viramor on 31/07/2006 12:31:37
 Originally by: DB Preacher
We'll just let people colonise it for us.
If it looks like it's going to be highly profitable, we'll take it and kick everyone out once it's ready.
dbp
It's the threat of something like this happening that will cause many would be colonizing alliances to think twice before spending many billions in the new regions imo. I think we'll see many alliances explore and put pos's up here and there. But it all depends on how rich the regions are resources.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:44:00 -
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People aren't going to avoid the colonisation if it is profitable in the short term.
People always think they can hold off an assault by one of the larger alliances until they actually have to face one so I have no doubt some alliances will try here too.
I imagine we'll prolly see a very, very lucrative ISS outpost going up and a neutral pos network built up from there at the start.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.07.31 13:35:00 -
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I keep hearing that these regions are going to be spread out all over. I don't really buy that because if you look at the map there are 8 regions to the east near jove space. I think that those will be the new regions. Unless someone has some other info on it (I haven't really looked into it so I am probably way off on this).
On the other hand I beleive that it will be awesome seeing who will make the first inroads of it. Hell, I might even jump in my covert ops and make instas all over the place and start selling them to the highest bidders Muwhahahahahahaha.
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Da Beast
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.31 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
We'll just let people colonise it for us.
If it looks like it's going to be highly profitable, we'll take it and kick everyone out once it's ready.
dbp
Orly?
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Oosel
Nightmare Holdings
Armorum Unitas
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Posted - 2006.07.31 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
We'll just let people colonise it for us.
If it looks like it's going to be highly profitable, we'll take it and kick everyone out once it's ready.
dbp
once this happens and everyone is up there fighting over it we can hopefully find the furthest point south and lurk in the shadows again
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Cudeiro
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.31 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Da Beast
Originally by: DB Preacher
We'll just let people colonise it for us.
If it looks like it's going to be highly profitable, we'll take it and kick everyone out once it's ready.
dbp
Orly?
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Ather Ialeas
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.31 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
I imagine we'll prolly see a very, very lucrative ISS outpost going up and a neutral pos network built up from there at the start.
I doubt ISS will be around when Kali 1 hits.
As for possible takers of those regions, I'd love to see mercenaries take at least one of the regions and form their meddling ground there making them truly politically otherwise free from others. Other possibilities for new region takers could be any of the alliances stated in the other thread here (the mid-sized ones) and maybe even some which are currently considered either dead, crippled or just crap (RA and FIX pops up to my mind but I'm sure there's like 20 other alliances too which fit here).
This all will be of course ruined by couple of zealot alliances which eventually are either forced to move to these new regions because of the pressure in their current home regions or just for the sheer "Because we can." attitude.
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Crivens
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.31 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
People aren't going to avoid the colonisation if it is profitable in the short term.
Truth.
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People always think they can hold off an assault by one of the larger alliances until they actually have to face one so I have no doubt some alliances will try here too.
In fighting pos wars, logistics can be a deciding factor, so how quickly these new settlers can set up and maintain production, verses how far away the new regions are from places where resupply is easy or even possible at all could be a factor.
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Edison Frisk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 15:31:00 -
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there are no new regions....move along move along
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Glassback
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.31 20:03:00 -
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First in will be the BM makers and fast frigs scouting the systems and planning stuff.
Then we will all go ratting and playing with the new comlexes (I am just assuming they will be there as they are everywhere else).
Assuming they dont move the systems from where they are now will mean the gates will be atleast part in our space so as I stated in a similar post..
"They are giving me the new regions, I will decide what happens there"
G.
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DiNoer
DFCK Inc.
Ekliptika
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Posted - 2006.07.31 20:15:00 -
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I can see 1-3 major non-setteld, or living in a really confined area now, Alliances making a "Leeroy" there, it is still seven new regions out there.
ISS for sure to boot, have to agree.
I think the rest will take it's due time to settel down (As much as anything gets calm in 0.0 soverenty).
Honest I think we will see few new new alliances forged out there still.
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Eternal Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 22:13:00 -
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has anyone stopped to think about what the pirate corps are giong to be doing during all this.
I expect about 2 dozen chokepoints going into those regions.
imagine 200 Ship Gate camps. A dozen Large Warp Bubbles per gate. They'll have to to build an outpost in the system just so they can haul the loot drops away in a frieghter.
Those chokepoints are going to see more traffic in the first few months then Jita does.
And then there will be the roaming packs of "PvPers", with cloaked Indies following behind. Pillageing as they go.
Ohh MAN, the Clone facilities are going to be a rockin those nights.
And imageing the closest neutral Stations... they'll be instant boomtowns, with greater markets they jita ever had.
Hope people are stockpileing their wares.
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Jebidus Skari
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.01 01:18:00 -
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You never know, the new regions might turn out to be Providence clones
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Sochin
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jebidus Skari
You never know, the new regions might turn out to be Providence clones
You mean it will be filled to the brim with idiots flying battleships around solo?
I haven't been to providence recently, but the last time I was there it was a gankers paradise. In m0o we considered it a vacation spot.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.01 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kaeten on 01/08/2006 01:41:36
I HEREBY CLAIM THE NEW 8 REGIONS SO BUGGER OFF EVERYONE
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten
I HEREBY CLAIM THE NEW 8 REGIONS SO BUGGER OFF EVERYONE
NO! If you're all alone out there I will cry when your next video is HSY mining Veld. 
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Dragerest
Total Warehouse Logistics
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.01 03:45:00 -
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speaking of veld.. is there going to be new rocks, or bigger belts? what about mining space dust.. ect. i thought that all was coming out soon..
has anyone heard anything about that?
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Xaarist
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.01 06:58:00 -
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well, there are some very interesting aspects in this thread. i never thought about the chokepoints, but they'll probably be fun spots. i am really looking forward to the early stages of exploration, maybe the space will become a little like syndicate where people move around in med sized gangs. it will be really difficult to settle there, especially building an outpost with so many corporations and alliances present looking for prey. the main question is, which faction (player controled of course) will be the first to create an outpost in there? that would give them a really strong position compared to others. the first one to build will be the hardest task, but probably one of the most profitable ones. there are 8 new regions which is a lot of space, and i see some alliances move there and try to get their piece of 0.0. could be alliances which have never been in contact before - interesting...
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Posted - 2006.08.01 07:40:00 -
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will be interesting i can see existing regions emptying out of a few new members existing regions could see a shift of power to. The new NPC types going in will be intersting to
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Joskken Inx
J.H.E.N.R
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.08.01 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dragerest
speaking of veld.. is there going to be new rocks, or bigger belts? what about mining space dust.. ect. i thought that all was coming out soon..
has anyone heard anything about that?
There was some mention of a new asteroid system coming. Was a few months ago, so I don't know what or the how of it. I doubt it will be in the first or maybe second? Kali patch.
I see more choakepoints being fought over in the first few weeks, along with the aforementioned scouts and BM makers running pellmell over hell and high water getting them made, as well as scammers posting sets of bogus BMs, if that will be possible.
It's going to be a headache for a while, I know that.
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