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Kishin Hattori
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:03:00 -
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As the pilot who was first to engage, FC of the fleet and the one who he directed the accusation at I thought I'd take the time to sift through the crap ton of logs to just set this straight...
Here is the first shot fired (from his end, I might add)
[ 2011.11.24 04:08:42 ] (notify) Orbiting Jin Shugo's Drake (18500m) [ 2011.11.24 04:08:54 ] (combat) Scourge Heavy Missile belonging to Jin Shugo hits you, doing 790.0 damage. [ 2011.11.24 04:08:56 ] (combat) Your group of 720mm Howitzer Artillery II hits Jin Shugo (Drake), doing 1159.5 damage.
Here is the full OMS chat log...
n++[ 2011.11.24 04:02:43 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Old Man Star Local Channel n++[ 2011.11.24 04:09:56 ] Jin Shugo > 1 vs 1 n++[ 2011.11.24 04:10:54 ] Jin Shugo > fags n++[ 2011.11.24 04:11:07 ] Kishin Hattori > if you had asked before I'd have probably agreed *shrugs* n++[ 2011.11.24 04:11:23 ] Jin Shugo > i was in a 1 vs 1 when you cats showed n++[ 2011.11.24 04:11:38 ] Kishin Hattori > we were none the wiser, I remember you shooting first n++[ 2011.11.24 04:12:00 ] Jin Shugo > dont matter who shot first.. i was in a 1vs1 you dont see me bringing any friends do you? n++[ 2011.11.24 04:19:14 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Heydieles Local Channel
So a full minute after combat started and he saw local fill he asked for a 1v1 - I did not respond AT ALL in local, thereby not accepting or agreeing to a 1v1. It ended up being a gank, though I couldn't be sure he didn't have backup himself; I wouldn't also deprive my fleet on a fair kill.
You won't be getting your 60 million isk back Jin, I kept my word (aka. nothing) and you suitably died for your short-sighted decision. If you had asked for a 1v1 prior to open firing upon my ship (as I might add, he warped in on me in the belt, logs of me popping rats to clear the belt can be provided if necessary ) then it's possible I may have obliged and you'd have found yourself in a clone bay (yes we caught his pod in BC's) in what you deem a fair manner.
Take care.
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Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
21
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:11:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote:["The requested topic does not exist" ?. Bad link. Smoke and mirrors perhaps?
Transfer me 58 mill isk for my loss and I will consider the matter closed and acknowledge your corp mates acted honorably after the fact and the payment is a correction to an oversight on their behalf.
Your pilots warped into the belt where a 1vs1 was happening and I requested they not engage before they did so. They were 40-50 kms out so they had to time to honor the request. Either acknowledge they are cowards who can't handle a 1vs1 or pay my owed isk. Either of those choices will close the matter and your corp's honor, or lack there of it, will be acknowledged.
The link is working fine for me. However our forums are going through an upgrade, so that might have caused the issue. Try this link instead.
I am not against giving you 58M (should be less in any case due to insurance) if you can prove that an infraction of our Code occurred via chatlogs etc. Needless to say, if you can prove this, this will not be the only action taken.
As far as I am aware, our pilots warped in to assist their corpmate. Requesting that they not engage is a perfectly valid tactic, but as long as they didn't state that they would abide by it, I see no problem.
We do actually solo a fair bit. You can check this by perusing our killboard.
As for honor, we do not claim we are honorable. Instead, we claim (and have yet to be proven otherwise in this thread) that we follow through with what we say.
Another tip for you: if you want a "fair" fight, I suggest coming to Hevrice and asking for one. We have had a fair few pilots come here to fight us (mostly in frigates) and most of the time we accommodate them if they speak out, often down shipping to give them a "fair" fight. |
Kishin Hattori
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:16:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:I am not against giving you 58M (should be less in any case due to insurance) if you can prove that an infraction of our Code occurred via chatlogs etc. Needless to say, if you can prove this, this will not be the only action taken.
Look up Sulei
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Jin Shugo
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:29:00 -
[34] - Quote
Kishin Hattori wrote:As the pilot who was first to engage, FC of the fleet and the one who he directed the accusation at I thought I'd take the time to sift through the crap ton of logs to just set this straight... Here is the first shot fired (from his end, I might add) [ 2011.11.24 04:08:42 ] (notify) Orbiting Jin Shugo's Drake (18500m) [ 2011.11.24 04:08:54 ] (combat) Scourge Heavy Missile belonging to Jin Shugo hits you, doing 790.0 damage. [ 2011.11.24 04:08:56 ] (combat) Your group of 720mm Howitzer Artillery II hits Jin Shugo (Drake), doing 1159.5 damage. Here is the full OMS chat log... n++[ 2011.11.24 04:02:43 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Old Man Star Local Channel n++[ 2011.11.24 04:09:56 ] Jin Shugo > 1 vs 1 n++[ 2011.11.24 04:10:54 ] Jin Shugo > fags n++[ 2011.11.24 04:11:07 ] Kishin Hattori > if you had asked before I'd have probably agreed *shrugs* n++[ 2011.11.24 04:11:23 ] Jin Shugo > i was in a 1 vs 1 when you cats showed n++[ 2011.11.24 04:11:38 ] Kishin Hattori > we were none the wiser, I remember you shooting first n++[ 2011.11.24 04:12:00 ] Jin Shugo > dont matter who shot first.. i was in a 1vs1 you dont see me bringing any friends do you? n++[ 2011.11.24 04:19:14 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Heydieles Local Channel So a full minute after combat started and he saw local fill he asked for a 1v1 - I did not respond AT ALL in local, thereby not accepting or agreeing to a 1v1. It ended up being a gank, though I couldn't be sure he didn't have backup himself; I wouldn't also deprive my fleet on a fair kill. You won't be getting your 60 million isk back Jin, I kept my word (aka. nothing) and you suitably died for your short-sighted decision. If you had asked for a 1v1 prior to open firing upon my ship (as I might add, he warped in on me in the belt, logs of me popping rats to clear the belt can be provided if necessary ) then it's possible I may have obliged and you'd have found yourself in a clone bay (yes we caught his pod in BC's) in what you deem a fair manner. Take care.
Chat logs can be faked everyone knows that.
First off i have not seen this code that your corp speaks of and a code implies honor which you clearly have violated. Secondly, i demand payment based on your dishonorable actions of calling in help. Third, no payment is an acknowledgement of cowardice.
Lastly - Looking for well established corp that is an enemy of The Tuskers. Contact me in game or reply below. These scum need to receive a good old fashion spanking. Their mothers where most likely absent harlots and abandoned them resulting in their inability to act with honor.
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
107
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:36:00 -
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This has got to be an elaborate troll... no one can seriously be this angry about getting ganked. |
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:39:00 -
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The link I provided should work. We do not say that we are are honorable as that is subjective. Many people such as yourself would argue that we are not honorable.
However, we do follow through with our word. If you can prove that a Tusker lied to you and not in obvious jest e.g. one of us said he wouldn't shoot you but he died, then we can go somewhere.
Until then, we'll keep going round in circles, with you claiming that we claim we are honorable and me saying that we are not honorable. |
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:40:00 -
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Oh and if you want to find an established corporation that's one of our enemies, I can provide you with a list.
However I would suggest that you come after us yourself, it'll be more amusing for us. |
Jin Shugo
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:49:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:Oh and if you want to find an established corporation that's one of our enemies, I can provide you with a list.
However I would suggest that you come after us yourself, it'll be more amusing for us.
Keep your list trust is something you won't get from me. In regards to your suggestion I expected as much from cowardly sons of harlots. Good day sir, until we meet again.
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Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:57:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote:Suleiman Shouaa wrote:Oh and if you want to find an established corporation that's one of our enemies, I can provide you with a list.
However I would suggest that you come after us yourself, it'll be more amusing for us. Keep your list trust is something you won't get from me. In regards to your suggestion I expected as much from cowardly sons of harlots. Good day sir, until we meet again.
If you really want to fight us, come to Hevrice. We're always up for a good fight.
We haven't actually met yet judging by your losses. See you in Hevrice!
P.S. I was being serious about the list & about improving your Drake fitting. Joining our Public Channel would also give you free intel & our Vent server details before you plan your next move. |
Kishin Hattori
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:58:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote:Keep your list trust is something you won't get from me. In regards to your suggestion I expected as much from cowardly sons of harlots. Good day sir, until we meet again.
We live in Hevrice by the way. |
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Keltaris Cesaille
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:06:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote: We already had one douche in this thread there isn't room for another. Again with the childish name calling, go back to Wow and let the men settle this matter.
Your argument is invalid:
Jin Shugo wrote: [ 2011.11.24 04:09:56 ] Jin Shugo > 1 vs 1 n++[ 2011.11.24 04:10:54 ] Jin Shugo > fags
Your mad bro
I look forward to your apology, transfer 58 million ISK to me and ill consider the matter closed |
Jaxley
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:09:00 -
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Don't forget he called our mothers harlots, friend.
EDIT: especially considering Kishin completely made up those chatlogs. Onoes I gave it away sorry Kishin D: |
Jin Shugo
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:49:00 -
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Keltaris Cesaille wrote:Jin Shugo wrote: We already had one douche in this thread there isn't room for another. Again with the childish name calling, go back to Wow and let the men settle this matter.
Your argument is invalid: Jin Shugo wrote: [ 2011.11.24 04:09:56 ] Jin Shugo > 1 vs 1 n++[ 2011.11.24 04:10:54 ] Jin Shugo > fags
Your mad bro I look forward to your apology, transfer 58 million ISK to me and ill consider the matter closed
Who are you and what are you doing in my thread? Leave. Here is twenty isk to pay a Tuskers mother to warm your bed. |
Gun Dam
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:06:00 -
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made my day |
Gordon Gartrell
ManWolfs
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:25:00 -
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ive fought multiple agreed 1v1s with various tuskers over the years...all have been honored...in fact they have gone out of their way to keep their friends (including non-tuskers) from jumping in
you make the agreement before the fight starts and you are very specific to your terms or there is no agreement. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
413
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:39:00 -
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ITT OP flies the quintessential bait ship, wonders why people chose to gank and run in OMS rather than hang around for the Arazu to decloak. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:46:00 -
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Anyone accepting a 1 v 1 is an idiot. Doesn't matter what corp you are in, this isn't some historical duel, pistols at dawn honour crap mmm?
All accepting a 1 v 1 does is confirm where you will be to his buddies. Why do it? Might as well light a cyno and have done with it
FWIW I've never found the Tuskers anything other than completely straightforward - they're going to try to kill you if they can, regardless (largely) of who you are and that's nice and easy to understand isn't it? |
Amber Thetawaves
Mong's Marauders
6
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:53:00 -
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>fair 1 vs 1 in old man star
stopped reading right there |
Aznwithbeard
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:01:00 -
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ITT: an idiot, and people attempting to reason with him. Please stop now.
Alternatively come to hevrice and we can kill you again. |
Teh Frog
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:10:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote:I was engaged in a fair 1 vs 1 in old man star tonight against a Tusker, when his buddies jumped in on what was an even fight, drake vs cane (both our shields were at around 50%). I requested 1vs1 in local (yes after the fight started), to which was answered with 5 vs 1, might have been 4 can't remember, but no matter. Consider otherwise before joining this well known corp they don't have any honor.
Not mad I lost, just wished these guys had the cahones to 1 vs 1 when it was requested. guess not, no different they any other pirates i guess. Cheers.
JS.
Not mad you lost, makes forum post.
Calls Tuskers weak, dies to a Tusker.
Wat? |
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Jin Shugo
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:13:00 -
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Teh Frog wrote:Jin Shugo wrote:I was engaged in a fair 1 vs 1 in old man star tonight against a Tusker, when his buddies jumped in on what was an even fight, drake vs cane (both our shields were at around 50%). I requested 1vs1 in local (yes after the fight started), to which was answered with 5 vs 1, might have been 4 can't remember, but no matter. Consider otherwise before joining this well known corp they don't have any honor.
Not mad I lost, just wished these guys had the cahones to 1 vs 1 when it was requested. guess not, no different they any other pirates i guess. Cheers.
JS. Not mad you lost, makes forum post. Calls Tuskers weak, dies to a Tusker. Wat?
Clearly a very sensitive bunch of pilots considering how many chimed in on this thread. We done yet this is getting old. |
Amber Thetawaves
Mong's Marauders
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:16:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote:
Clearly a very sensitive bunch of pilots considering how many chimed in on this thread. We done yet this is getting old.
please let me direct you to my above post. |
Jin Shugo
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:30:00 -
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reported. |
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Loud On The Forums Silent In Game
20
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:35:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote:reported. Oh he mad. |
Korg Tronix
Heretic Army
14
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:40:00 -
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:Jin Shugo wrote:reported. Oh he mad.
Super Mad.
Also calling someone a coward for killing your ship is funny |
Jin Shugo
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:41:00 -
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:Jin Shugo wrote:reported. Oh he mad.
reported..... just kidding. I don't really get all the name calling and rage. Its quite childish and kinda funny. Yes I lost a ship, yes I talked smack in the forums, big deal who cares. Move on people get a life. Its just a game, bet you never heard that before. :)
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Jak'rat
Lion Investments
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:59:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote:I was engaged in a fair 1 vs 1 in old man star .
I know an oxymoron when I see one... "Full turret rack all grouped, gyro's, rigs - that's not a ship, it's a flying shotgun..." |
Teh Frog
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:39:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote:Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:Jin Shugo wrote:reported. Oh he mad. reported..... just kidding. I don't really get all the name calling and rage. Its quite childish and kinda funny. Yes I lost a ship, yes I talked smack in the forums, big deal who cares. Move on people get a life. Its just a game, bet you never heard that before. :)
You're already dug in too deep. No going back now. |
Amber Thetawaves
Mong's Marauders
6
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:39:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote:Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:Jin Shugo wrote:reported. Oh he mad. reported..... just kidding. I don't really get all the name calling and rage. Its quite childish and kinda funny. Yes I lost a ship, yes I talked smack in the forums, big deal who cares. Move on people get a life. Its just a game, bet you never heard that before. :)
ohhh man
somad.
please cry some more, its very amusing |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Rodents of Unusual Size
26
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:48:00 -
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Jin Shugo wrote:reported.
God man you are so full of **** you've even made me want to troll you and shoot your ass.
Tuskers are one of the most honourable pirates groups I know of. Why? they do what they say.... not ascribe to whatever assumed level of honour you think they should. Honour is not about the end result, it's about how you deal with it. |
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