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Tian Toralen
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.09.10 07:03:00 -
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I found the reason for my recent aversion towards this game, the reason I stopped logging in. I still log on to update my queue, but that's about it, I did not feel any desire to undock in the past 4 months. Did not know it at first, now I can see it clearly.
The community is great, the way the game is set up - with everything depending on players is also great. But I like to be able to enjoy a game alone also, and i can't because of gates. I just reached my limit for jumping blindly through gates in null sec, with all my loot. Also I have a combat ship in one station, I scan something in some other system with my Buzzard, then I need to get my ship, and this involves more lottery jumps. I feel caged. I can't just log in and do stuff because there are - gates. Everywhere.
I'm tired of asking every minute - "how is this gate?". This - in the best case, when I have someone to ask, and I get an up to date answer.
The game is also pay to win. Pay for two accounts, use a scout with an interceptor - and you will never be caught on gate ever again. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
6104
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Posted - 2014.09.10 07:05:00 -
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It seems that you're less annoyed with gates and more annoyed at the risk associated with jumping through them. |
Tian Toralen
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
14
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Posted - 2014.09.10 07:06:00 -
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Well, for me I see it as a lottery, and I got enough of it. Also - I'm not paying 2 accounts, on principle, that's already hardcore gaming for me, not interested. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
6106
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Posted - 2014.09.10 07:09:00 -
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Fair enough, it's not for everyone. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to ask for your stuff though. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4762
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Posted - 2014.09.10 07:09:00 -
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Tian Toralen wrote: But I like to be able to enjoy a game alone
Quote:The game is also pay to win. Pay for two accounts, use a scout with an interceptor - and you will never be caught on gate ever again.   
kinda deflated your own point there bucko.
Tian Toralen wrote:Well, for me I see it as a lottery, and I got enough of it. Also - I'm not paying 2 accounts, on principle, that's already hardcore gaming for me, not interested.
then make friends, this much more than any other game relies upon your ability to do this
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ChromeStriker
0ne Percent.
Odin's Call
757
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Posted - 2014.09.10 07:11:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Fair enough, it's not for everyone. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to ask for your stuff though.
Can i have your stuff??
No Worries |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
679
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Posted - 2014.09.10 07:25:00 -
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Tian Toralen wrote:
The game is also pay to win. Pay for two accounts, use a scout with an interceptor - and you will never be caught on gate ever again.
For about 8 years of playing (7 years on this main account), I have never used a secondary account at the same time as my main one. This includes scouting.
I have "lived" in highsec, nullsec, lowsec and w-space for months at a time ranging from small independent alliances to powerblock behemoths, from thousand player blobs to solo and small gang PvP and I never felt a need to have or use a scouting alt.
It's simple, really:
- watch local;
- watch intel;
- use intel;
- watch dotlan;
- watch in-game map;
And the most useful one:
- learn the environment (where are the reds coming from, where are they based, who are they, what are they usually flying, how many of them are active in your current timezone, how do they roam around space, are there any solo hunters deployed near your space,...)
Once all of this turns into a habit and you know your environment well, moving through hostile space does not seem so hopeless. You'll need just a couple of seconds to gather all necessary information to move relatively safely without ever feeling the need for a scout alt.
But if you really hate gates, try out the wormhole space. Recent changes to wormhole mechanics even grants you protection if you are the one who scanned down a new wormhole.
o.0 |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4688
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Posted - 2014.09.10 07:30:00 -
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I am a single account holder and I've never multiboxed a single thing in my gaming life.
I'm doing just fine, thanks, and having the time of my life.
(There's a secret message for you in the title of that song btw, and I'm sure I can hear a tiny violin in there somewhere... I can haz your stuff?)
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Maruk Ihnati
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
26
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Posted - 2014.09.10 07:44:00 -
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Dude,
Tech 3 + mobile depot. |
Dave Kitaro
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.10 08:13:00 -
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Welcome to EVE Online: World of Stargates. |
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Gosti Kahanid
GANOR Deep Space Explorers
GANOR INC.
63
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Posted - 2014.09.10 09:21:00 -
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To me this sounds like you don-¦t have a Problem with Gates but with Low/Null-Sec. in NullSec you have to work with others, there is almost no other way around it. LowSec is a little bit safer when you know what you-¦re doing, but there is still risk when you want to operate alone.
Have you considert returning to HighSec? There you don-¦t have to be concerned about your safety that much. In HighSec there are no GateCamps for normal Combat/Exploration-Ships as long as you don-¦t bling-fit them. |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
99
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Posted - 2014.09.10 09:26:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:It seems that you're less annoyed with gates and more annoyed at the risk associated with jumping through them.
Seems to me, he's just fed up with chock points that can be easily camped. |
Cebraio
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2014.09.10 09:30:00 -
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Gates are for wuzzies. Get a jump drive and never take a gate again! |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1496
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Posted - 2014.09.10 09:45:00 -
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Continuously having to check local, having to get intel about other systems every 5 minutes... yeah, I see where the OP is coming from. It can get frustrating.I just blast through with a travel fit + roll the dice, blind jump best jump, 0 ****s given, because I don't want to annoy my mates on TS with constant requests. I don't do null anyway so getting caught is rare enough not to care. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
206
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Posted - 2014.09.10 10:06:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Gates are for wuzzies. Get a jump drive and never take a gate again!
Except with your cyno alt... |
Lucy Oreless
The Guardian Knights
216
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Posted - 2014.09.10 10:07:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Continuously having to check local, having to get intel about other systems every 5 minutes... yeah, I see where the OP is coming from. It can get frustrating.I just blast through with a travel fit + roll the dice, blind jump best jump, 0 ****s given, because I don't want to annoy my mates on TS with constant requests. I don't do null anyway so getting caught is rare enough not to care.
It seems incredibly strange to me that the things you guys dont like in a PVP-game is the adrenalin-rush ^^
The other thing i do not get is (from the op), why in the name of god are you in null-sec if your worst nightmare is to loose your ship on a gate? This is EVE, EVE is a pvp game, pvp meens people will shoot at you..
And no, it is not unfair that other people have friends, alts and systems in place to give them intel about there whereabouts etc.
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Cebraio
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2014.09.10 10:21:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Cebraio wrote:Gates are for wuzzies. Get a jump drive and never take a gate again! Except with your cyno alt...
Yeah, well it's a small sacrifice. Also Interceptor cynos work great! |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
193
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Posted - 2014.09.10 10:22:00 -
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Move to low sec if you don't like null. Low sec is a very nice place to live solo or with a small independent corp.
Less Blobs
No bomber gangs
Gate camps are rare
Less people = no tidi
No dictors = play with phat pods with very low chance of losing them
Can dock anywhere if you are not in fw
High sec markets are few jumps away
Lots of frigate/cruiser pvp with fw plexes
Juicy explorers looking for faction treasures (lol) |
Damon Messer
Emergent Mining Et Al.
58
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Posted - 2014.09.10 10:51:00 -
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get out of nullsec |
Arla Sarain
76
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Posted - 2014.09.10 10:57:00 -
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Imagine if they'd removed gates
:O
:O
:O
Flame on, bittervets
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Captain Soju
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
30
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Posted - 2014.09.10 10:58:00 -
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Flying a sb in null sec/wh's solved my problems. Just gotta be a little bit careful, that's all. I am also in a big corp, although i roam around alone most of the time.
The fear of losing ships and loot is what can make you become a slave of your self. Don't forget; There's no point taking the game too seriously. The main thing separating real life from Eve is the On/Off server switch. And let the daily maintenance be a reminder of that. When your Eve client says offline, Eve is dead. Every. Single. Day.
So, grab a ship, go do stupid things you've never done before and never let other people's playstyle dictate your own.
my 2 isk
An eternal newbie's guide to the world of Eve Online - http://captainsoju.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
100
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Posted - 2014.09.10 11:01:00 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Imagine if they'd removed gates
:O
:O
:O
Flame on, bittervets
Would have thought it a bit difficult to fit a jump-drive to your pod. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
266
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Posted - 2014.09.10 11:09:00 -
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Tian Toralen wrote:Well, for me I see it as a lottery, and I got enough of it. Also - I'm not paying 2 accounts, on principle, that's already hardcore gaming for me, not interested.
DOTLAN, the in-game map.
There's no lottery in the universe skewed that much into your direction. You just have to use the tools available to you. Also try to evade gate camps through W-Space wherever possible. |
Aurora Tali
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.09.10 11:09:00 -
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you should try to live in Perma Camped GE-8 xD there are soo many Areas in null barely visitet and when a single Sabre without backup is Bubbling a gate and that freaks you out .... go back to Highsec |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1496
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Posted - 2014.09.10 11:40:00 -
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Lucy Oreless wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Continuously having to check local, having to get intel about other systems every 5 minutes... yeah, I see where the OP is coming from. It can get frustrating.I just blast through with a travel fit + roll the dice, blind jump best jump, 0 ****s given, because I don't want to annoy my mates on TS with constant requests. I don't do null anyway so getting caught is rare enough not to care. It seems incredibly strange to me that the things you guys dont like in a PVP-game is the adrenalin-rush ^^ The other thing i do not get is (from the op), why in the name of god are you in null-sec if your worst nightmare is to loose your ship on a gate? This is EVE, EVE is a pvp game, pvp meens people will shoot at you.. And no, it is not unfair that other people have friends, alts and systems in place to give them intel about there whereabouts etc.
The issue at hand is that constant dependency on other players in order to accomplish seemingly trivial tasks, such as moving some loot safely, can become a frustrating affair. It's not about losing the ships themselves, but having to call mom every time to look left and right for you when you cross the street. Eve Online is the only MMP where "spawncamping" is not considered bad sportsmanship, in fact it does away with the notion of sportsmanship being a good thing entirely. Fine by me, but I fully understand OP. I agree with you nullsec might not be the best place for him, lowsec can be easily traversed with a travel fit and a set of dice. |
Lucy Oreless
The Guardian Knights
216
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Posted - 2014.09.10 12:08:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Lucy Oreless wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Continuously having to check local, having to get intel about other systems every 5 minutes... yeah, I see where the OP is coming from. It can get frustrating.I just blast through with a travel fit + roll the dice, blind jump best jump, 0 ****s given, because I don't want to annoy my mates on TS with constant requests. I don't do null anyway so getting caught is rare enough not to care. It seems incredibly strange to me that the things you guys dont like in a PVP-game is the adrenalin-rush ^^ The other thing i do not get is (from the op), why in the name of god are you in null-sec if your worst nightmare is to loose your ship on a gate? This is EVE, EVE is a pvp game, pvp meens people will shoot at you.. And no, it is not unfair that other people have friends, alts and systems in place to give them intel about there whereabouts etc. The issue at hand is that constant dependency on other players in order to accomplish seemingly trivial tasks, such as moving some loot safely, can become a frustrating affair. It's not about losing the ships themselves, but having to call mom every time to look left and right for you when you cross the street. Eve Online is the only MMP where "spawncamping" is not considered bad sportsmanship, in fact it does away with the notion of sportsmanship being a good thing entirely. Fine by me, but I fully understand OP. I agree with you nullsec might not be the best place for him, lowsec can be easily traversed with a travel fit and a set of dice.
Sorry but i have to disagree :p
If you are part of a corp/alliance living in null-sec, you have to view the corp/alliance as..umh..lets say a car. Someone gotta be the tires, someone the engine, someone the mirrors, etc etc... The whole point of corps is not to assemble a wide variety of individuals, but to build a unit.
I am having a hard time imagening they dont have logistic-guys in hes corp that can move hes loot around, or even buy the loot from him.
To me it just seems someone is somewhere they should not be. Because if you have the notion that flying around in null with loot or whatever is suposed to be safe.... then you clearly are in the wrong place :p
Being in null-sec really is suposed to be constant dependency.
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-áI did not have sexual relations to THAT woman.... |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4715
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Posted - 2014.09.10 12:11:00 -
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Lucy Oreless wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Lucy Oreless wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Continuously having to check local, having to get intel about other systems every 5 minutes... yeah, I see where the OP is coming from. It can get frustrating.I just blast through with a travel fit + roll the dice, blind jump best jump, 0 ****s given, because I don't want to annoy my mates on TS with constant requests. I don't do null anyway so getting caught is rare enough not to care. It seems incredibly strange to me that the things you guys dont like in a PVP-game is the adrenalin-rush ^^ The other thing i do not get is (from the op), why in the name of god are you in null-sec if your worst nightmare is to loose your ship on a gate? This is EVE, EVE is a pvp game, pvp meens people will shoot at you.. And no, it is not unfair that other people have friends, alts and systems in place to give them intel about there whereabouts etc. The issue at hand is that constant dependency on other players in order to accomplish seemingly trivial tasks, such as moving some loot safely, can become a frustrating affair. It's not about losing the ships themselves, but having to call mom every time to look left and right for you when you cross the street. Eve Online is the only MMP where "spawncamping" is not considered bad sportsmanship, in fact it does away with the notion of sportsmanship being a good thing entirely. Fine by me, but I fully understand OP. I agree with you nullsec might not be the best place for him, lowsec can be easily traversed with a travel fit and a set of dice. Sorry but i have to disagree :p If you are part of a corp/alliance living in null-sec, you have to view the corp/alliance as..umh..lets say a car. Someone gotta be the tires, someone the engine, someone the mirrors, etc etc... The whole point of corps is not to assemble a wide variety of individuals, but to build a unit. I am having a hard time imagening they dont have logistic-guys in hes corp that can move hes loot around, or even buy the loot from him. To me it just seems someone is somewhere they should not be. Because if you have the notion that flying around in null with loot or whatever is suposed to be safe.... then you clearly are in the wrong place :p Being in null-sec really is suposed to be constant dependency.
Maybe he's that random rattling noise that everyone starts hearing a month after EVERY service.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8089
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Posted - 2014.09.10 12:18:00 -
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Tian Toralen wrote:I found the reason for my recent aversion towards this game, the reason I stopped logging in. I still log on to update my queue, but that's about it, I did not feel any desire to undock in the past 4 months. Did not know it at first, now I can see it clearly.
The community is great, the way the game is set up - with everything depending on players is also great. But I like to be able to enjoy a game alone also, and i can't because of gates. I just reached my limit for jumping blindly through gates in null sec, with all my loot. Also I have a combat ship in one station, I scan something in some other system with my Buzzard, then I need to get my ship, and this involves more lottery jumps. I feel caged. I can't just log in and do stuff because there are - gates.
I'm tired of asking every minute - "how is this gate?". This - in the best case, when I have someone to ask, and I get an up to date answer.
The game is also pay to win. Pay for two accounts, use a scout with an interceptor - and you will never be caught on gate ever again.
So I haven't read any replies to this (I like to start fresh in a new thread lol). But the problem isn't the gates, it's you.
If you can't figure out how to get a FRIGATE sized ship safely through a null sec gate, you game knowledge is severely lacking. you don't need an alt, you need a cloak and an MWD. Even in a world where insta-lock thrashers and bubble camps are a thing,it's nothing to count to 5, click approach (jump) on a gate, click mwd then click cloak.
You're tired of asking for intel? You don't want to use a buddy to scout. Can't be arsed to make your own cheap scout account (who needs a ceptor, I scout with an ibis and a alt with so few skillpoints that I don't even have to upgrade when it gets popped).
In otherwords you want EVE but you don't want EVE. The exit is that way ---->
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8089
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Posted - 2014.09.10 12:20:00 -
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Maruk Ihnati wrote:Dude,
Tech 3 + mobile depot.
The problem here is that you are offering a personal solution to the type of person who doesn't want a personal solution, he wants a public 'fix'. Because he can't figure how to do something in game where 10s of thousands of people have figured out how to do that same something, it must be a problem with an aspect of the game (gates). |
WASPY69
Hard Knocks Inc.
314
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Posted - 2014.09.10 12:53:00 -
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Go to renter space. They are bad at EVE and your ship will be fine. Remember... they are more afraid of you than you are of them. |
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