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Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11154	Posted - 2014.09.11 07:55:00 - [1] - Quote It's double standards, that's all. It seems that CCP sees a nutjob doxxing you and threatening your family after you blew him up as a poor, emotionally distressed victim. But if you've so much as idled in Ero's channel, it's guilt by association + permaban with prejudice. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11158	Posted - 2014.09.11 08:09:00 - [2] - Quote I mean really, all of the **** that has caused ~outcries~ by the community (bonus room, suicidegate or whatever) pales in comparison to someone being threatened by somebody who actually goes to the lengths of finding your RL address and the names of your family members yet if the latter happens, GMs do not care, senior GMs do not care and they'll simply tell you to contact law enforcement. So by CCP's standards of what constitutes harassment: Making someone fear for the safety of their family members and themselves = investigating is :effort:, don't care, maybe law enforcement (ahahahaha, nope) will deal with it we dunno? Making someone upset on teamspeak = very very bad, you're a monster, here's a permaban Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11161	Posted - 2014.09.11 08:37:00 - [3] - Quote Drago Shouna wrote: I look on it like this.. Mittani was the high profile warning shot across the bow. That warning shot has either been forgotten or ignored, and now the consequences are starting to hit. All that this and the Mittens thing have established is that if something - anything - you do causes an outcry, say your goodbyes. "Magic circle" analogies and "strict policy enforcement" are a farce. All that matters for them is PR: they want to look like they're enforcing the rules that are supposed to make EVE a secure environment, but they don't actually want to walk the walk unless they're going to look bad publicly. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11161	Posted - 2014.09.11 08:45:00 - [4] - Quote flower pot wrote: It is simple. When in doubt, stay on the safer side, or just stop it. If you do it and you cross the line, HTFU and learn some empathy. And just where is this "safer side" you talking about? its a game, ships get blown up, ppl scam and so on so just where is this safe side See the examples in previous posts where this logic falls apart. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11165	Posted - 2014.09.11 10:09:00 - [5] - Quote Durzel wrote: What a fantastically well written post, which speaks to the heart of the matter very precisely. It should be (and very probably is) blindingly obvious to any right minded individual when they are overstepping the mark, and I for one don't want to have to play the same game as people who honestly have sociopathic proclivities. unless it's a carebear threatening somebody's wife and daughter because they got awoxed, of course Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11170	Posted - 2014.09.11 12:12:00 - [6] - Quote Drago Shouna wrote: CCP should be applauded by their stance. their "stance" is a farce because they won't act on these discretionary policies unless there's a public outcry over it Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11174	Posted - 2014.09.11 12:41:00 - [7] - Quote I idled in E1's bonus room channel simply because I happened to be invited there for some odd reason over a year ago. I never interacted with anyone in there beyond the first time when it was more of "huh what's this place about?", getting an explanation, and switching to another channel because I'm not really interested in listening to people with bad singing voices. I prefer listening to people read bad fan fiction as a ransom/punishment, personally. This dumb guilt by association crap would have netted me a permaban for no reason other than accepting an invite and not bothering to leave the channel the last time I decided my chat window was overcrowded with dumb channels. Then I'd have to wait a week or two to figure out why I got banned and spend another 2-4 weeks appealing my case, all because somebody was triggerhappy with permabans over some drama, even though they don't give a rat's ass about actual sociopaths like a few in this thread have discussed experiences with. The beautiful irony is that so many of those in this thread drowning in their ~righteous indignation~ over the monstrous act of scamming someone and humiliating them on a TS3 that they can leave at will will turn around and parrot BS platitudes like "your actions have consequences" in response to those discussing such incidents, because it's all right and good to intimidate people and threaten personal harm in retaliation for losing in a game. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11178	Posted - 2014.09.11 12:57:00 - [8] - Quote S'No Flake wrote: You have to understand something... A lot of things are changing... every day, month, year... Laws are changing too. When that stuff happened to you, probably CCP didn't have a precedence... they didn't have a 'law' for it. CCP doesn't work on precedent, and things like doxxing for intimidation tend to be pretty cut and dried in online communities because it's toxic as **. They don't need a precedent to say "whoa this is some ** up **", drop the banhammer and advise the other party to take it to law enforcement. There's a reason why something that'll get you a two week ban can get another guy a permanent/indefinite ban, and it all has to do with context, prior violations, and other such things. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11183	Posted - 2014.09.11 13:34:00 - [9] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: And you know that they haven't received a warning or a temporary ban because you have access to the GM system? Send a new ticket, argue that you almost committed a suicide in real life because your feelings were hurt so badly, that should get you results. You'd also have to stop suicide ganking in the process to be seen as an actual victim, but I guess that's part of the deal to get justice. do you really consider a warning proportionate to that level of derangement Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11187	Posted - 2014.09.11 13:46:00 - [10] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: You'd also have to stop suicide ganking in the process to be seen as an actual victim, but I guess that's part of the deal to get justice. oh god i missed this part you unironically justify somebody threatening personal harm against another player and his family because they were awoxed/suicide ganked yet it's everyone else that's deranged Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11187	Posted - 2014.09.11 13:53:00 - [11] - Quote I hardly expect CCP to clarify this any further, not because they believe people will simply dance on the edge of the line, but because they simply don't have a line drawn and enforcement is absolutely down to the whims of whatever GM handles a given case. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11199	Posted - 2014.09.11 21:00:00 - [12] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident. Yes they do. These types of channels often send out shotgun invites to loads of people who might or might not be interested in what goes on there, and a lot of us simply accept those invites to get them out of the way and leave it out of sight and out of mind. Again, this is guilt by association crap that CCP really shouldn't be dealing in. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11199	Posted - 2014.09.11 21:13:00 - [13] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Link me to one thread where a claim of innocence for a ban was legit. I have yet to see CCP get it wrong on a ban. They spend months digging into these guys activities. Stop whining and digging for excuses, Andski. You used to not be such a whiner. What happened? Mr Epeen Did you know that permabanned people don't tend to post on the forums to appeal their bans because a game ban extends to the forums? They tend to do that through the petition system. They also don't tend to talk about it much on the official forums after the fact. This new knowledge must blow your mind. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11201	Posted - 2014.09.11 21:20:00 - [14] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Accept random invites - be prepared to deal with the consequences - EVE Online Rule. But no, I call BS on your claim that ""a lot of us simply accept those invites to get them out of the way"" . You are a Goon - a member of a group who's stated and much-hyped purpose is to ruin other's game experience. So no, Goons who were in that channel, knew exactly what it was for. No tears shed. More platitudes and guilt by association nonsense. I'm sorry but by this logic CCP should have banned everyone involved with SOMER Blink too. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11201	Posted - 2014.09.11 21:25:00 - [15] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Where did I say it was the banned person protesting his innocence. Apologists like you do it just fine for them. CCP never ban people lightly. You have to push them and push them hard to get yourself banned permanently. Everyone that got banned deserved it. They pushed and now they're crying because CCP pushed back. And they're not crying on this forum. They're crying (and being destroyed for it) on all the unofficial forums. It's a joy to behold. Mr Epeen Maybe you should read through my previous posts. What I'm particularly miffed by is CCP's double standards. A guy who gets doxxed and threatened with personal harm against him and his family for awoxing a couple of dudes in his hisec corp is basically told to **** off by CCP who do nothing to address the incident, but people tangentially associated with whatever reincarnation of the bonus room existed are blanket banned permanently. CCP enforces a different set of rules for those who play one way and for those who play another way. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11216	Posted - 2014.09.11 22:17:00 - [16] - Quote evepal wrote: So, it's just self admitted personal incredulity. You have no fault with the actual ban, you just can't tell right from wrong, from being in the spirit of eve to taking it into the realms of harassment? That does sound a lot like a personal problem. so doxxing, stalking and threatening personal harm against other players in retaliation for in-game actions is right in your book interesting Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11218	Posted - 2014.09.11 22:26:00 - [17] - Quote evepal wrote: So you complain on the forums, instead of posting evidence to CCP and taking it to the authorities? Nice, real believable. The sheep are out for round two of their rhetoric, and the anger has built up inside them. I slept well last night guys, knowing those who take it into the realm of harassment were punished accordingly. and on what do you base this assumption that he didn't actually attempt to contact CCP about this? Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11218	Posted - 2014.09.11 22:33:00 - [18] - Quote evepal wrote: I never stated that, I just said with evidence. That's the assumption here, because without evidence there's nothing the authorities nor CCP could do. However, if he had evidence then the ban would have happened and he wouldn't be using the strawman to support the rhetoric. Which in itself is addressing what you said. There's no other point you made that I haven't addressed before. And you're making even more baseless assumptions to support your baseless assumptions. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11224	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:23:00 - [19] - Quote says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11231	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:05:00 - [20] - Quote "prove you were doxxed by dumping the evidence, evidence that includes your personal information" ~ evepal and his other alts Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11232	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:07:00 - [21] - Quote i also find it hilarious that he believes he's important enough to be shown evidence i guess he was told he was special as a child, like so many others, and this gives him the notion that his opinion is so important that he must be swayed with concrete proof Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11232	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:12:00 - [22] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: I never got this generational thing. All I know is I was born in the 80s, and nothing good came out of the 80s. the internet oh wait Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11234	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:16:00 - [23] - Quote evepal wrote: Here's an opinionated statement of my own to make, that I feel is apt to the discussion. It's interesting that the victim of harassment, wouldn't want to see that problem attempted to be solved. Certainly when only anecdotal evidence can be given. maybe you should explain how showing you anything is going to help solve the problem hint: it won't Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11234	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:20:00 - [24] - Quote also, I'm pretty sure it's only tu quoque if the accusations are true is evepal admitting to have doxxed remiel? Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11235	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:24:00 - [25] - Quote evepal wrote: I form my opinions on the basis of evidence, or as you've self described "concrete proof" and re-evalute when new evidence is submitted. Submitted some evidence that's contrary to my points, and you'll see my opinion change. that's great now explain why your opinion is important enough for him to basically dox himself to you MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: i know right? "Evidence" and "proof". pfft. Where I come from word is bond, son! or yours for that matter Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11235	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:34:00 - [26] - Quote evepal wrote: If he wishes to include anecdotal evidence into the discussion, he must be prepared to back it up. If he doesn't, then it invalidates his statement when it's based upon that fallacy. Notice how I've not said his opinion is wrong, just the way he's supporting his argument? and even if he did post evidence, how would that validate his statement? emails can be faked (and this is something you would move to if he chose to do so) and you're not allowed to post GM correspondence on the forums anyway Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11235	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:36:00 - [27] - Quote i mean really even when he did post the evidence on his personal blog (and he took down the post later) people asserted that it was faked because there is absolutely no way CCP would disregard something like that those of us who have dealt with GMs in the past know that they aren't consistent and that they are far from impartial Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11235	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:37:00 - [28] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: garbage i'm sorry but your idea that he's winning because he's not important enough to convince is silly Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11235	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:41:00 - [29] - Quote evepal wrote: Are you asking me how evidence validates a point? or how he's meant to post evidence? no, i'm saying that you'd immediately attempt to discredit any evidence he posts i'm also saying that he'd violate the rules and get banned for posting the evidence that CCP didn't do anything about it Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11237	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:52:00 - [30] - Quote Be assured that CCP cared enough to delete the thread you posted back in March too, but not to actually look into the subject. They literally care more about covering up their inconsistency than about the inconsistency itself. Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11237	Posted - 2014.09.12 18:54:00 - [31] - Quote so other people asserting that he did in fact make that blog post, a blog post that I read, isn't partial evidence on its own because you don't agree with them either Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar

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