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Posted - 2014.09.10 14:06:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Likely someone forced another player to do something against his will out-of-game using in-game assets as leverage. Basically more tools who can't separate a game from reality and who therefore go after the player, instead of the character he plays with using the accepted in-game rules. The one who has trouble with the reality/virtual seperation is the one who gets leveraged by pixels.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I find it highly delusional to accept cruelty on others with the excuse that "nothing real" is involved. Suffering is *always* real, no matter the cause. Next time you see a kid crying because their parents won't buy them sweets you better go save them from all that suffering. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 01:19:00 -
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Already there are multiple posts with the beginning of the classic loop.
"Scamming is ok in-game so E1 shouldn't be banned" "This was taken out of game so it's not ok" "If it's out of game it's nothing to do with CCP" "But it's all happening because stuffs were taken in-game" "Scamming is ok in-game...
The amount of doublethink required to support bans like this on moral grounds is so astounding, and the justifications are such feats of mental gymnastics that I pre-emptively give this thread 5/5 Tearjars and I have the popcorn in the microwave. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 01:28:00 -
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evepal wrote:had all their stuff taken away You should focus on writing fewer, but more correct words. I couldn't count the number of times I had to correct this one when the original E1 drama was on. There's other issues too, but I leave them as an exercise for the reader. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 01:42:00 -
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evepal wrote:If that's not true (despite the countless articles stating otherwise versus your word), the rest of what I said is true. The quantity of what is taken is regardless of the fact that they took it further than to seek in game profit - to which you don't deny. Nothing is taken, only given freely. Anything you read otherwise was lying.
evepal wrote:You wish to discredit the entire post by the means of critiquing one point, as if that somehow invalidates the rest - but I think anyone with a modicum of human decency will acknowledge with the basis of my response. Is this an ad hominem or an appeal to emotion? I'm not quite sure, but either way, declaring anyone who disagrees with you to be subhuman doesn't hold much water.
As regards the rest of your post being right, you compare SWAT teams getting sent to someone's house, which is wrong for various reasons and about which nothing can be done once it is set in motion, to a pseudo-gameshow where the person has to voluntarily give up their stuffs and thereafter has the option to leave at any time - at only the cost of t he stuff previously voluntarily forfeited.
If what the likes of E1 does is so bad, you'd think you'd be able to criticise what was actually done, rather than relying on false analogies and misrepresentations.
This post brought to you by InsomniaGäó. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 02:23:00 -
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evepal wrote:Conveniently you disregard the whole section where I describe Sunk Cost Investment, also known as the escalation of commitment. No dispute, just ignored to invoke victim blaming. What's it got to do with anything? Sure, we can study the reasons why people don't walk away from bad situations, but that doesn't change the fact that they can walk away. Distinctly different from swatting, where the ordeal cannot be terminated with a single button press.
evepal wrote:Taking someone's items doesn't imply by force, either. That's your interpretation of the context, perhaps a Freudian slip even. I merely meant it as in receiving the items, which is completely within definition of the word. Go grab a dictionary. I don't interpret any contexts, I just look at what actually happened. If you meant that someone received the items, why not say so instead of saying they were taken? Because it doesn't sound as good. "Oh no the evil sociopaths received all my items!!".
evepal wrote:Oh and as you're referring to that image for both the "appeal to emotion", and "ad hominem", I raise you "the fallacy fallacy", "no true scotsman", and "tu quoque". A very fancy way of saying I'm attacking your argument rather than your conclusion. Well, I am. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 02:41:00 -
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Will people really not figure the line out until CCP literally write a rule saying "No harassment severe enough to draw gaming press attention"? [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 08:50:00 -
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evepal wrote:The police officer on the second visit told me not to get involved with the FPS tournament and to distance myself, i.e. to just stop. I can't, why? because that's my life. I've invested time into managing a team, no more than they've invested time into the assets that they've associated having fun with. You go ask a gambler who's selling his house to fuel his addiction, 'why?' and I'm pretty sure you'll get the same response. Very basic psychology, "in for a dime, in for a dollar". The difference is still that the bonus room was voluntary. You may voluntarily accept the risk of bad stuff happening because of how important the game is to you, but that is not the same as voluntarily accepting the bad stuff.
If someone burns your house down, you're a victim. If you burn your house down because someone told you they'd give you a bigger better house if you did it, you're a fool.
evepal wrote:"we can study the reason people don't walk away" completely negates your point "but that doesn't change the fact they can" in of itself. Not in the slightest. Greed and regret cannot keep you in a chair the same way an armed police officer can.
evepal wrote:Oh no, my word choice most certainly has ulterior motive! Word illuminati! Word illuminati! Or... I could have just used the word as it's perfectly acceptable and very common to do so... brb, going to 'receive' my aspirin. If you really think that in a case where someone lost all their in-game possessions, whether those possesions were taken or given is just a minor semantic point, I really can't help you.
evepal wrote:Ok, so you're just trolling for the sake of it, and not really wanting to contribute to the discussion, got it. Seeing as you have no fault with the conclusion, then there's really no purpose to "attack" anything else I have to say. Also, attack? Really? It's a civilised discussion, at least, I think so. Pointing out the flaws in flawed views is itself a contribution. As for 'attack', really? Do you really not get that in this context an argument is not a shouting match and an attack is not a physical altercation? [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 09:37:00 -
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evepal wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Do you really not get that in this context an argument is not a shouting match and an attack is not a physical altercation? What I don't get is how you believe it's an argument and not a discussion. Well, that clears that up. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 10:55:00 -
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E1 posting with more insight and wisdom than pretty much anyone else on this topic.
Not sure how feel. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 12:06:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:If this behaviour cannot be done to a total stranger on the street and it would cause someone to contact the authorities, then the alleged violations are not part of human social interaction First response: LOL
Second response (after composing myself): This standard would damn far more carebears than gankers, see: minerbumping.com. [witty image] - Stream |
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Posted - 2014.09.11 12:12:00 -
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Miles Parabellum wrote:Ahhh, spring cleaning. Nice to see that some trash has been taken out. Well done, []. Begging for a Godwin.
FleetWarp Ichoriya wrote:I find it kinda funny how people are still trying to sell this psychopatic behavior as the regular scam. He had no assets, no point in mocking him any further. Let him sing a song or two afterwards, fine. However dragging on for hours is outright psychopathic and doesnt add anything to the game. And now we go from the above "I don't like them so ban them" to "they have crossed a line I made up so ban them".
The pro-ban crowd are true quality posters, just like last time. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 12:17:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:CCP should be applauded by their stance.
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CCP have already stated that nobody is going to get a clear and exact definition simply because the second they did that, one of the forum lawyers would find a way around it within five minutes. A rulebook which is kept secret because once revealed flaws could be found in five minutes is worthy of applause.
In that case your post deserves a standing ovation. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 12:33:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:I don't know.
I still believe that every single one of them know why it happened, or have a damn good inkling of why it happened though. Oh lordy, "I don't know why these people were banned, but they were banned so there must have been a reason to ban them".
Thread is delivering 100%, thanks Falcon. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 12:45:00 -
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Burneddi wrote:Asking someone to sing a song or you'll pod them isn't harassment.
Coaxing someone to come on your comms, then blackmailing them Well up to here they are the same thing.
Burneddi wrote:and repeatedly attacking their real life persona is harassment. And as for this, did people's real identities ever come into the bonus rooms? I've only listened to one fully and it was character names all around. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:18:00 -
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Miles Parabellum wrote:This thread will probably live for quite a while yet, so I'll check in regularly to sample some sociopath/griefer tears. Those... Cumbledrorn ones are particularly delightful. Trying to sidestep the vastly superior understanding of the situation possessed by those who disagree with you by declaring their posts tears is just par for the course, but oh. Been a while since someone mentioned me by name while crying about what's been posted. Gives me a warm nostalgic feeling. Reminds me of the good old days, back when I didn't spend so much time rambling about the good old days. Thanks for that. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:21:00 -
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FleetWarp Ichoriya wrote:No body is arguing that singransom is not legit Falcon's sermon makes that debateable. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:35:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Top posts so far from the following characters making fabulous posts. In order of brilliance:
1. Crumplecorn
Rabe Raptor, Anal Canal, Sibyyl, Remiel Pollard, Kaarous Aldurald, Sabriz Adoudel, CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909, Solecist Project also ran
I will continue to add more names on the list as they appear. I applied an order to your list. I think anyone with even a modicum of human decency will agree with it. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 20:37:00 -
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This thread [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 22:02:00 -
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evepal wrote:CCP need to define RMT better. [..] Cliche, but accurate. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 22:18:00 -
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evepal wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Because, in my experience, doxxing, stalking, and threatening my life are just fine, nothing was done to punish my attacker.
But singing songs on teamspeak, and laughing about people who get scammed is a perma ban, or even having talked to them that week is a perma ban. You have no fault with the actual ban, you just can't tell right from wrong, from being in the spirit of eve to taking it into the realms of harassment? So he's defective because he can't see that "doxxing, stalking, and threatening my life" is in the spirit of EVE?
Your posts just keep getting better, for some definition of the word better. [witty image] - Stream |
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Posted - 2014.09.11 22:43:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:If you don't want to get banned you have some very simple solutions. Stop making the focus of your gameplay hurting/angering/humiliating others. Tear collection is not a legitimate objective in Eve. Focus on accomplishing things that help you, not on accomplishing things that hurt others. Now, if in the process of helping yourself and you suicide gank or scam someone, and they get angry, that is fine. Just take your win and move on. Don't look to revel in the moment, collect tears, mock them, try to get them on coms, etc.... Just take your winning, give a GF and go. If the focus of your game is to see how mad you can make other people get, and what kind of reactions you can elicit, then yes, you are doing it wrong, and potentially could get banned. If you just focus on helping yourself, and don't engage with people you are harming, then no, you are not really at risk of a ban. To me that is a clear enough line already. So a ship is blown up. And the person who goes into a racist sexist homophobic etc rant and threatens to track people down, we keep him. But the guy having a laugh at this gross overreaction, he gets banned.
That's a nice community you're building there. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 22:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: Are we supposed to believe CCP because reasons?
Yes. No. Maybe. [witty image] - Stream |

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Posted - 2014.09.11 22:56:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Because you initiated the harm. You took an action that cost a player his ship, money, etc... and is likely to leave him in an emotionally pained state THANK YOU
HERE WE GO
FINALLY
We have brought in the in-game actions which have for over a decade now been accepted as part of EVE and which Falcon himself was defending in the last week or two, and made them the initial part of the harassment which can get you banned.
What is/should be the difference between a guy who gets banned and a guy who doesn't when both are being assholes? One of them shot at a spaceship in a spaceship shooting game, and the other didn't.
A vision of EVE's future, right here. What a wonderful note to end the night on. [witty image] - Stream |
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