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Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:49:00 -
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I can't help but point out that when the last statement was made, we pretty much all said that super vague statements that nobody can interpret to really mean anything don't solve any issue.
Until an actual concrete statement is made for people to work with, you'll just have to keep posting the same vague thing since nobody can tell what you mean. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 02:38:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Titus Tallang wrote:can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'? It isn't our job to dictate to people how to maintain a base standard of human decency toward one another, and we're not going to do so.
Not your job to maintain a standard, just your job to enforce the unmaintained standard.
GG. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 02:40:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:I don't really know what the bonus room thing is, nor do I care. But does this announcement mean that we can no longer ransom and/or extort players as part of pirate activities? Because that's what it sounds like. We can ransom, scam, repeatedly kill, steal, laugh at, point fingers and whatever you want to do (within the EULA)... INGAME against the CHARACTER. The second you start to target the PERSON behind the character is where the problem potentially will arise and then it depends on the intent, severity and CCP's discretion what, if any, the implications will be. So people who have a working brain and see the game for what it is and leave it all in game, no problems there, go have fun. But for the few folks who apparently have issues making that clear distinction between a game and RL (or do this on purpose for whatever psychiatric evaluation-worthy reason) it, again, needs to be made official and public that CCP doesn't accept that ****.
This doesn't make sense.
You realise that those with a working brain and see the game for what is is and leave it in the game, are the exact people that don't call this harassment. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 02:41:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Anyone out of game interaction with the person rather than the character, so recordings would probably be a good guess :P
So when those wormholers made CCP Gargant sing on comms, they were harassing him? GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 02:43:00 -
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evepal wrote:
Now, I absolutely love scamming and making people sing for their pod (even if they still blow it up anyway). I however, do not appreciate when people find it necessary to break an individual down to point of physical distress for the sake of self enjoyment alone. There is no other word that describes it better, than simply 'harassment'. .
Your posting is causing my physical distress. Stop harassing me. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 02:44:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:So is the line for real-life harassment going to remain vague?
Some of us enjoy harming other players with a passion, and the boundaries between character and person are bound to be crossed without clear guidelines on what isn't allowed.
Roleplay less I guess.
Of course, carebears that wish that the PLAYERS daughters be raped can keep to that.
But if you politely ask someone to sing a song, you're ******. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 02:46:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:So is the line for real-life harassment going to remain vague?
Some of us enjoy harming other players with a passion, and the boundaries between character and person are bound to be crossed without clear guidelines on what isn't allowed. If you think you might have crossed a line, you probably did. Clear lines would only be abused and make a mess for the GMs. With a grey area, they can better decide on a case by case basis without internet lawyers going "technically" on them.
What if I don't even have any reason to think it crossed the line?
Maybe I'm just bumping some miners and suddenly one of them thinks I'm harassing them in particular?
CCP apparently gets to decide what harassment is, with no clear precedence of what harassment is within EVEs context. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 02:50:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:[quote=CCP Falcon] tl;dr to scammers/gankers. If you can't figure out where the line is, that's a personal problem and you should probably see about some counseling irl. Because the rest of us know when and where we have to stop.
Okay, then enlighten us on when and where. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 03:30:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Gee, why not just stop humiliating people on coms entirely? It's not like "bonus rooms" are an essential part of the game. Stick to playing to the game and chatting in local, and avoid all doubt.
Since when is singing songs humiliating? GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 03:31:00 -
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evepal wrote:Kristalll wrote:Stop posting legitimate posts that make me look out to be an ***. How can I argue the fine line when you don't present one? I'll just have to dismiss it entirely. FTFY.
How can we cross a line that doesn't exist?
surely if it existed, someone could define it. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
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Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 05:39:00 -
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Rhiannon Marius wrote:This is CCP's game. They make the rules and guidelines and they are entitled to have grey areas and make judgement upon them. Having said that; this is a character based game. You are not literally you in this game. You're character is an avatar. This avatar can communicate in game. Meaning you can speak to others and sing to others.
There are things your in game avatar cannot do however. They cannot send you a picture of themselves where they are smeared in mayo for instance. Think about what the other persons avatar is legally and physically capable of doing in game and you will be less likely to be concerned about what you are doing is right or wrong. If you are trying to push an edge case or are saying yea but; please refer to sentence one and two.
Okay, so then you support the bonus room. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 05:44:00 -
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Yes, it isn't really an issue to have a little bit of grey area, but this seems like a HUGE area is being coated grey. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:22:00 -
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Rhiannon Marius wrote: As long as it touches nothing outside the game and is not continuous. I'm fine. There is that pesky continuous harassment thing that a bonus room may touch on. Thus the grey area.
It touches voice comms, which happen to be out of game, but could be done in EVE voice (eve voice jsut doesn't have a record function) and it happens over the course of one instance.
GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |

Kristalll
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Posted - 2014.09.11 13:30:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:They stood next to the sign looking out at the long grass. Right next to them was a sign reading 'Danger, Minefield'
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Okay, this analogy, while funny, is also GREATLY missing the mark.
This is more like a field, with no mines sign, that get advertised as a tourist destination that people have been playing in for years. And one day a few mines go off, and everyone is wondering where the edge of the minefield is so they can get out of it. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
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