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PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2088	Posted - 2014.09.11 00:27:00 - [1] - Quote From reddit, the dude that got banned was involved with convincing people to pod themselves ~50 times without updating clones. Not a big loss tbh.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2094	Posted - 2014.09.11 23:10:00 - [2] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Cismet wrote: You now have 20 pages and growing of forum thread effectively screaming that you're wrong on this matter Lol. You need to learn to count mate. Everyone is supporting the bans. There is exactly 10 trolls that got #rekt and are posting pages and pages of tears about it, but quantity does NOT equal quality. ^This. Additionally, they should ban all the well known doxxers, because that **** is just plain creepy. If anything, the bans don't go far enough.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2099	Posted - 2014.09.11 23:18:00 - [3] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: The bottom line is that it's down to members of the community to know where the line crosses from common decency to harassment. Really? That's cute, because a good portion of your community believes that scamming and ganking constitute harassment. Doesn't matter what they believe; what matters is what CCP believes. It's always been that way. CCP has made it very clear that ganking and scamming for isk are ok. Everything beyond that, you do at your own risk. Use common sense.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2094	Posted - 2014.09.11 23:24:00 - [4] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Mira Robinson wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Oh hey you removed my post where I kindly suggested to a player that they should pod themselves repeatedly. I extend that to you. Really proving your platform as being polite, correct, and non-harassing, James. Yes I'm so terribly interested in being polite to someone who revels in other players being banned in a questionable manner. There's nothing questionable about it though. They're just not giving the player base in general any technicalities to latch onto. Apparently this upsets the space lawyers amongst us.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2094	Posted - 2014.09.11 23:29:00 - [5] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: There's nothing questionable about it though. They're just not giving the player base in general any technicalities to latch on to. Apparently this upsets the space lawyers amongst us. They're also not giving people any reason to believe they won't be next, simply for playing the game as intended. Bull. You're smarter than that, you know better.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2097	Posted - 2014.09.11 23:37:00 - [6] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: There's nothing questionable about it though. They're just not giving the player base in general any technicalities to latch on to. Apparently this upsets the space lawyers amongst us. They're also not giving people any reason to believe they won't be next, simply for playing the game as intended. Bull. You're smarter than that, you know better. What I'm smarter than is to blindly trust that CCP will do the right thing instead of overzealously enforce ambiguous rules, given their history of doing so. Fine. Here's what I know about one of the dudes that got banned: he was involved in convincing players to pod themselves 50+ times w/o updating clones. There's no personal gain to be had from that, in any possible way. That's just a tad bit sadistic, plain and simple. We aren't talking about isk that was stolen or destroyed. So, if those are the types of dudes that got banned, I welcome the bans with open arms.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2098	Posted - 2014.09.11 23:53:00 - [7] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Fine. Here's what I know about one of the dudes that got banned: he was involved in convincing players to pod themselves 50+ times w/o updating clones. There's no personal gain to be had from that, in any possible way. That's just a tad bit sadistic, plain and simple. And I've read that there were players banned who didn't do anything remotely resembling harassment. They were simply in the channel at some point, or had other incidental ties. And there were people in the channel that didn't get banned at all. And individuals that had never been in said channel were banned. Which leads us to the simple conclusion that being in the channel was not the reason for the bans. From the example of which I am aware, I'm inclined to believe those people did something questionable for which they aren't fessing up.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2099	Posted - 2014.09.12 00:22:00 - [8] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: The bottom line is that it's down to members of the community to know where the line crosses from common decency to harassment. Really? That's cute, because a good portion of your community believes that scamming and ganking constitute harassment. Doesn't matter what they believe; what matters is what CCP believes. It's always been that way. CCP has made it very clear that ganking and scamming for isk are ok. So is ganking for fun not okay? What about holding people for ransom? Ganking for fun is a time honored activity too. And CCP condones it. But you know this. Same goes for ransoms. Hell, not too long ago a dev was ransomed for a song. A while back I was in a birthday fleet for a buddy of mine - we caught a venture in lowsec, had him sing happy birthday in comms, and let him go. CCP condones all manner of ransoms, and you know this too. There are other activities that are probably not ok. Activities tinged with sadism. Like using the sunk cost fallacy to convince a player to lose all their sp. That stuff can be avoided with common sense, and common decency.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2099	Posted - 2014.09.12 00:26:00 - [9] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Or, how about this: is doxxing okay? Can I go ahead and dox you? CCP seems to be okay with it. That CCP is ok with doxxing is regrettable, if true. I think it's sad that well known doxxers are allowed near free-reign in eve. Hopefully ccp does something about it in the near future.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2099	Posted - 2014.09.12 00:27:00 - [10] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: So is ganking for fun not okay? What about holding people for ransom? If you really want to be that obtuse then I'll tell you what to do. Petition for an answer and then come back and tell us what you find out. I'm sure that once they're done rolling on the floor, they'll answer it pretty quick. Mr Epeen I feel pretty strongly that this outcome is going to depend on which GM I happen to get. People have been warned or banned for less. Escalate the petition. I was once permabanned by mistake. I submitted a ticket, and within an hour and forty minutes of receiving the permaban, I was unbanned and a dev apologized for the inconvenience.

PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2099	Posted - 2014.09.12 00:37:00 - [11] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: So is ganking for fun not okay? What about holding people for ransom? If you really want to be that obtuse then I'll tell you what to do. Petition for an answer and then come back and tell us what you find out. I'm sure that once they're done rolling on the floor, they'll answer it pretty quick. Mr Epeen I feel pretty strongly that this outcome is going to depend on which GM I happen to get. People have been warned or banned for less. Escalate the petition. I was once permabanned by mistake. I submitted a ticket, and within an hour and forty minutes of receiving the permaban, I was unbanned and a dev apologized for the inconvenience. So you acknowledge that people get permabanned by mistake. Do you believe that everyone that gets permabanned by mistake gets a reversal like you did? Honestly? The response time and the way things were handled left me with the impression that the system works reasonably well. I'm sure that if the banned individuals filed a petition, their case will be reviewed. All of my personal experience (admittedly from only one case) points to a fairly reasonable and equitable system.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2099	Posted - 2014.09.12 00:52:00 - [12] - Quote C: Tell us why each player is banned. R: It'll make for good content when the forums have a dry spell.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 2099	Posted - 2014.09.12 00:55:00 - [13] - Quote Here's a good one: C: Ban all well-known doxxers. R: Doxxing is creepy as ****.

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