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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2011.11.24 11:59:00 -
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The OP's fourth paragraph sums up the carebear situation pretty nicely, I'd say.
OP, you're obviously at peace with EVE's inherent nature, and are therefore not a carebear. However, your inferiority complex is making you extremely ineffectual in relation to the pvp aspect of this game. Like others have said, you don't need much to get started. You can have a great Rifter setup with less than a million skill points, and believe me, with some combat experience you will be able to beat deadspace-fit T2 frigates flown by missionbear lolpilots who see you as easy pickings and think they can teach you a lesson after you steal from their cans/wrecks.
You need to get out of your shell and stop doubting yourself. Skills will come with practice, but practice won't come without effort. |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
378
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:02:00 -
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The true definition of carebears?
'Elite PVP' SC blob hotdroppers.
Nowhere else in EVE you will find so little risk.
At least in a Level 4 you can lose your drones or ship if you fall asleep. |
Written Word
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
151
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:03:00 -
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You are a care bear because instead of actually engaging in any sort of PvP to damage or even harass your in-game enemies, you resort to crying and whining non stop. In fact, you are the absolute worst type of player to have in this game, the type who will whine and cry until their face turns blue rather than even attempting to use the resources in the sandbox.
I can't say this loud enough. Get the **** out.
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Prince Kobol
68
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:09:00 -
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Written Word wrote:You are a care bear because instead of actually engaging in any sort of PvP to damage or even harass your in-game enemies, you resort to crying and whining non stop. In fact, you are the absolute worst type of player to have in this game, the type who will whine and cry until their face turns blue rather than even attempting to use the resources in the sandbox.
I can't say this loud enough. Get the **** out.
FFS.. now the OP has me agreeing 100% with somebody from TEST
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Captain Mastiff
3
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:11:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:If you don't PVP you are a carebear. I wouldn't worry about it enough to make a thread about it though unless you feel guilty.
I see....
So all I need to do is go into a blob fest once in a while and heavily out number my opponent in low sec whilst they are ratting belts in their cormorant and I am no longer a carebear? ... score!
In all seriousness it's just a silly phrase people throw around, Eve has more ego than apple users it's hard not to be labelled as something.
On the other hand...
Written Word wrote:In fact, you are the absolute worst type of player to have in this game, the type who will whine and cry until their face turns blue rather than even attempting to use the resources in the sandbox.
Waaahh waaahh waaah Cap ship changes waaaa waaaa waaaah 0.0 nerfing.... oh my god CCP stop ruining null sec omg omg omg. Doesn't ring a bell?
Destiny Corrupted wrote:The OP's fourth paragraph sums up the carebear situation pretty nicely, I'd say.
OP, you're obviously at peace with EVE's inherent nature, and are therefore not a carebear. However, your inferiority complex is making you extremely ineffectual in relation to the pvp aspect of this game. Like others have said, you don't need much to get started. You can have a great Rifter setup with less than a million skill points, and believe me, with some combat experience you will be able to beat deadspace-fit T2 frigates flown by missionbear lolpilots who see you as easy pickings and think they can teach you a lesson after you steal from their cans/wrecks.
You need to get out of your shell and stop doubting yourself. Skills will come with practice, but practice won't come without effort.
I started reading that and thought... they're right... until they made out that their idea of PvP is preying on mission runners by stealing their cans and baiting them into a fight... Just look at the risk you are taking! I think I'd pass out... "PvP" in high sec against bears? Sounds even more bearish than just running the mission. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
118
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:27:00 -
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Captain Mastiff wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:The OP's fourth paragraph sums up the carebear situation pretty nicely, I'd say.
OP, you're obviously at peace with EVE's inherent nature, and are therefore not a carebear. However, your inferiority complex is making you extremely ineffectual in relation to the pvp aspect of this game. Like others have said, you don't need much to get started. You can have a great Rifter setup with less than a million skill points, and believe me, with some combat experience you will be able to beat deadspace-fit T2 frigates flown by missionbear lolpilots who see you as easy pickings and think they can teach you a lesson after you steal from their cans/wrecks.
You need to get out of your shell and stop doubting yourself. Skills will come with practice, but practice won't come without effort. I started reading that and thought... they're right... until they made out that their idea of PvP is preying on mission runners by stealing their cans and baiting them into a fight... Just look at the risk you are taking! I think I'd pass out... "PvP" in high sec against bears? Sounds even more bearish than just running the mission.
I was trying to make a different point, but since that's the way you chose to interpret those words, allow me to just go ahead and calmly ask for some elaboration as to whether or not U MAD BRO? |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
161
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:27:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:I do have 10 Ishkur's sitting in Villore (I think), out near Old Man Star, ready for me to PvP in. I just never feel like I'm ready enough for it. Risk adverse much? You can PVP in a frigate with about 2 weeks worth of SP, in RvB or elsewhere. I know, because I have done this several times. Averse. And yeah, you can, if you want to get blown up constantly. You don't learn much when your Incursus is completely T1 fit and you're going up consistently against T2 fit ships.
To be honest, even if you diaf for your first 20 fights you still learn an absolute ton, and it feels less shameful the sooner you do it. Dont feel you have to have the best equipment either, just fit cheap and effective and take out some cocky interceptors in your 3m isk ishkur. Before rigs were a realistic possibility on frigs this cool guy from the Bastards (General Coochie) made a vid killing bad people in interceptors by flying a 800k isk incursus with cheap meta modules (meta 3 or lower). http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadid=1017792
that was my inspiration and how I got started.
If you solo PVP you more or less have to expect to blow up a lot.... or maybe I really am just dreadful. I'm hardly risk averse though, that can raise your survival rate but makes for very boring roaming and you still die to remote sebo camps or cheap traps just the same.
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Ghoest
13
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:52:00 -
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I spend much (probabluy most )of my time in lowsec and 0.0 but I almost never shoot at anyone but people try to catch me a lot.
I dont consider that being a carebear.
Think a carebear is someone who game experience based on their playstyle would be improved if there was no PVP in EVE.
Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Captain Mastiff
3
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:54:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I was trying to make a different point, but since that's the way you chose to interpret those words, allow me to just go ahead and calmly ask for some elaboration as to whether or not U MAD BRO?
I'm cool calm and collected, there isn't an ounce of anger in me, I ain't even mad. It's hard not to interpret those words in the way I did when the only relation to PvP in your post was against mission runners. Though I better watch out you're clearly elite at what you do...
Ghoest wrote:I spend much (probabluy most )of my time in lowsec and 0.0 but I almost never shoot at anyone but people try to catch me a lot.
I dont consider that being a carebear.
Think a carebear is someone who game experience based on their playstyle would be improved if there was no PVP in EVE.
The irony of 0.0... but yeh I some what agree there is risk which is the warfare aspect and I guess the reward is being able to farm sanctums etc.
I think your definition is pretty spot on. I do honestly think the only group of people who fall into this category are mission runners. A trader can sit in a station and trade all day or once every few days but what drives his market is the PvP kills and losses and removing PvP would almost destroy his business. As far as I can tell there is only really mission running that can entirely be done without interacting with anyone. When I first started Eve I spent 6-7 months running missions in fact after first 2 months I was in a CNR with a faction fit after that I literally never spoke to anyone for another 4 months. |
Written Word
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
151
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:01:00 -
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Captain Mastiff wrote: Waaahh waaahh waaah Cap ship changes waaaa waaaa waaaah 0.0 nerfing.... oh my god CCP stop ruining null sec omg omg omg. Doesn't ring a bell?
True.
Its a miracle you even found this thread amidst the pages and pages of whine threads about TEST and myself in particular crying about the nerf to our absolutely massive super capital fleet. |
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:05:00 -
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Written Word wrote:Quote: Waaahh waaahh waaah Cap ship changes waaaa waaaa waaaah 0.0 nerfing.... oh my god CCP stop ruining null sec omg omg omg. Doesn't ring a bell?
True. Its a miracle you even found this thread amidst the pages and pages of whine threads about TEST and myself in particular crying about the nerf to our absolutely massive super capital fleet.
I see your sarcasm and I raise you...
Ironically most of the threads in GD are about people complaining over carebears I look back now on the first page and I see a lot of "CCP event waz cool bro", "ISK sink won't stop carebears!" and some lowsec/0.0 complaints. |
Anja Talis
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:27:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:I do have 10 Ishkur's sitting in Villore (I think), out near Old Man Star, ready for me to PvP in. I just never feel like I'm ready enough for it. Risk adverse much? You can PVP in a frigate with about 2 weeks worth of SP, in RvB or elsewhere. I know, because I have done this several times. Averse. And yeah, you can, if you want to get blown up constantly. You don't learn much when your Incursus is completely T1 fit and you're going up consistently against T2 fit ships.
That's really not true you know. There are some noobs hanging around in the low sec we live in who have been playing for a couple of weeks. No skills, they've read about how to fit and are just getting out there and learning how to fly.
So you get blown up? Fit another ship and get back into it. You'll get kills because you'll find someone unprepared, or taking a risk on a haul they shouldn't and with every death or kill they learn something.
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
105
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:58:00 -
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Why, "carebear" usually denotes someone who's satisfied with building, rather than wanton destruction. Since it was a kid's cartoon, the ones who use the term pejoratively are infantile enough to think it's an insult to be compared to something harmless and cuddly. The ones who use the name to label someone else, of course, would wet their pants and cry for mommy if they actually ran into a tough guy...something they've probably already done several times in their sweet short lives. The experience is so unbearable (no pun intended) they spend the rest of their lives trying to make up for it by seeming tough, only from perfectly safe places...like behind a keyboard in mummy's basement.
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To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Sessym
Superstructure Exposure Service
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:17:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:A carebear may engage in activities similar to mine, the difference is that the carebear feels entitled to do those things and to never be bothered doing them.
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Not the carebear's fault, the game should protect people from the unscrupulous.
Contradictory statements detected 
If you're not one, don't think like one...
My definition is: If you enjoy making ISK purely for the joy of making ISK, you're a carebear.
More seriously, I was contemplating the topic and ranted about it a while back.
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Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:39:00 -
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I guess I am a carebear  |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
351
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Posted - 2011.11.24 19:25:00 -
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Sessym wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:A carebear may engage in activities similar to mine, the difference is that the carebear feels entitled to do those things and to never be bothered doing them.
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Not the carebear's fault, the game should protect people from the unscrupulous. Contradictory statements detected If you're not one, don't think like one...
Umm.
The entire fourth paragraph is an explanation of how the carebear thinks ... not how I think. Consider the fourth paragraph sarcastic in nature.
The fifth paragraph (which you obviously didn't read) is the clincher: "That's not me at all."
Today I lost my common sense,
It slipped away between Amamake and Rens,
I think it happened in highsec,
Using a Brutix to gank a Providence.
-- Flunk |
Angel Lust
Vikinghall
26
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Posted - 2011.11.24 19:34:00 -
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I am a carebear  |
Syme
Umbra Scientia Muneris
Shadow Directive
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Posted - 2011.11.24 19:37:00 -
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I'm a Carebear but I am really bad at it
I just wish there was a tag for people who have no idea what to do how ever long they play. |
Handsome Hussein
122
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Posted - 2011.11.24 19:55:00 -
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Syme wrote:I just wish there was a tag for people who have no idea what to do how ever long they play.
Would that make you feel like a special snowflake?
What I do know is that when I log into a game that I am paying for, I'm going to do whatever the hell I want. I don't need someone to put a ******* name or designation on that.
Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
970
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Posted - 2011.11.24 19:58:00 -
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Surely this game does not have carebears...?
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:00:00 -
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have to fund my PvP somehow
i choose to scam carebears v0v |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:05:00 -
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I spend my time in this game scared shirtless that someone will come into my home (C2 WH population: me) and kick the living shirt out of my panzy ascot. However sometimes when im feeling lucky i go out in my cloaky loki and steal some cheese from other WH's. I have never pvp'd and i dont really care too.....i mean dont get me wrong you will die if you come in my WH with a non-combat vessel but that is not pvp.
If this makes me a carebear i don't give a haberdasher because it is the play style i like.
CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:09:00 -
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Was doing pvp....
Now i live in highsec...
doing nothing....
maby a incursion now and then...
I guess im a carebear then |
Russell Casey
One Ton
Reverberation Project
102
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:31:00 -
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There are no carebears in EVE. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
228
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:32:00 -
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there is many types of carebear
1. Mission/Incursion Carebear - never leaves high sec.. runs missions or incursions but never actively hunts other players.
2. Mining Carebear - never leaves high sec - mines only in 0.5 - 1.0 systems
3. Trading Carebear - never leaves high sec - often found in freighters - rarely in a player run corp
4. Production Carebear - Never leaves a high sec trade hub area - gets mins via buy orders and sells it goods in the station it builds the stuff in
5. NullBear - lives in null sec - rats or runs anoms/sites all day - doesnt turn up for CTA's when required to and leeches off the alliance its in. (most commonly found in renter alliances)
6.Scammer Carebear - never leaves high sec trade hubs - spams local all day with scam contracts
Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
351
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:34:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote:I spend my time in this game scared shirtless that someone will come into my home (C2 WH population: me) and kick the living shirt out of my panzy ascot. However sometimes when im feeling lucky i go out in my cloaky loki and steal some cheese from other WH's. I have never pvp'd and i dont really care too.....i mean dont get me wrong you will die if you come in my WH with a non-combat vessel but that is not pvp.
If this makes me a carebear i don't give a haberdasher because it is the play style i like. But you're not asking CCP to give you a PvP flag ... so you're cool.
Today I lost my common sense,
It slipped away between Amamake and Rens,
I think it happened in highsec,
Using a Brutix to gank a Providence.
-- Flunk |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
351
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:35:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Was doing pvp....
Now i live in highsec...
doing nothing....
maby a incursion now and then...
I guess im a carebear then
Do you want CCP to give you a PvP flag? If the answer is no, then you are not a carebear. :)
Today I lost my common sense,
It slipped away between Amamake and Rens,
I think it happened in highsec,
Using a Brutix to gank a Providence.
-- Flunk |
Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
52
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:47:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:If you don't PVP you are a carebear.
If you do pvp, you're a yarrbear. A rather broad stroke, I suppose. I should define that to those who only pvp when they have advantage or numbers. Same risk adversity, but it comes with a KB, and thus somehow gets a pass from being labeled a bear by those who do it.
If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2011.11.24 21:05:00 -
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according to CCP you pvp every time you undock. So i am a hardcore pvper. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
69
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Posted - 2011.11.24 21:07:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Was doing pvp....
Now i live in highsec...
doing nothing....
maby a incursion now and then...
I guess im a carebear then Do you want CCP to give you a PvP flag? If the answer is no, then you are not a carebear. :)
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