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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:03:00 -
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I'm a carebear? I get accused of it. Not quite sure why. I suppose when it comes to EVE specifically, I have a different definition of carebear than other people. Hell, I think I have the better definition.
On the face of it, the way I've been playing up until now, you might mistake me as carebear. I kinda suck at PvP. I mission. I incursion. I haul and do industry. I pretty much mind my own business and do my own thing in the game. If that is someone's definition of carebear, then it is far too broad. That could apply to a majority of the people playing EVE Online.
I see carebears as dangerous entities to this game. Thus, I get a tad more specific in my definition.
To me a carebear is ultra-risk averse. A carebear will rarely, usually only under duress, leave highsec. A carebear may engage in activities similar to mine, the difference is that the carebear feels entitled to do those things and to never be bothered doing them. A carebear loses a ship in highsec to a gank or a wardec, the fault does not lie with the carebear for being inattentive or naive. No, it's the fault of low-life psychotics, which the game should be actively trying to curb. A carebear loses ISK in a scam? Not the carebear's fault, the game should protect people from the unscrupulous. A carebear's bottom line is affected in any way, they are bitching to anyone who will listen that the game needs to change, that their choice of playstyle needs to be accommodated. The game mechanics should allow them the choice to engage in conflict at their whim, not at someone else's whim. When a carebear seeks out conflict, it's because of a desire to achieve a perfectly reasoned goal. When a carebear is forced into conflict, it's due to purposeless unmotivated aggression from players with anti-social disorders.
That's not me at all.
I love risk. It is why I play this game. It reminds me of the glory days of Ultima Online (the first two years), when it was the only wild-west anything-goes environment available. They tried to create a sandbox. It had an economy. It was dangerous -- you died in UO, you got looted and lost all your stuff, "Ooo ooo oooooooooooo!" Those days of UO are long gone. We have EVE as our replacement. A better replacement. Ultima Online was the pinnacle of MMO play until CCP developed their little flying in space game.
So yeah, I go about my business in game. People might mistake me as a carebear. Except. I'm well aware that anyone at anytime could come along and try to ruin my day. And I accept that. Happily. I've lost ships. I've lost billions in ISK. I would never complain about losing stuff. It sucks when it happens, but afterwards it is really why I love this game.
I'm f**king passionate about this game. EVE is conflict. I don't want that conflict to ever go away. It needs to permeate every iota, every segment, every nook and cranny of this game. And I will f**king scream and shout and point fingers at anyone who says it should be otherwise. Carebears ruined Ultima Online with their incessant whining and screaming and demands to curb non-consensual conflict. I do not want to see that happen to EVE Online. It's the only sandbox on the block. Where the f**k am I going to play if the carebears take this sandbox too?
(from Who's a carebear?) Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
161
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:20:00 -
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If you don't PVP you are a carebear. I wouldn't worry about it enough to make a thread about it though unless you feel guilty. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â) |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
342
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:23:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:If you don't PVP you are a carebear. I wouldn't worry about it enough to make a thread about it though unless you feel guilty. The thread is really about definitions of carebear ... with me starting off the conversation using a personal example and then getting into my definition.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Handsome Hussein
121
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:30:00 -
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Who gives a ****. Play the game. Have fun. If it's not fun because someone called you a mean name, don't play the game. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
161
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:34:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Who gives a ****. Play the game. Have fun. If it's not fun because someone called you a mean name, don't play the game.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â)(a¦á_a¦â) |
Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:34:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Who gives a ****. Play the game. Have fun. If it's not fun because someone called you a mean name, don't play the game.
^^ This.
Also, if you care(bear) about what ingame ppl call you how do you handle RL? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
342
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:40:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Also, if you care(bear) about what ingame ppl call you how do you handle RL? I dig a hole in the woods and roll the body in. I handle it the same way everybody handles it. What are you, European or something? Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:47:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I dig a hole in the woods and roll the body in. I handle it the same way everybody handles it.
I usually pretend to be brave but I cry in my pillow before I fell asleep :)
Poetic Stanziel wrote: What are you, European or something?
In fact I am :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Cherry Nobyl
Shadow Strike Syndicate
28
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:49:00 -
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this just in:
bear presents fecal matter to forest interior.
film at 11. |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
102
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:50:00 -
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0/10, obviously those links are to your blog.
Note: This is the highest score you can get because you never link anything else Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
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Molly Molotov
Sunshine In A Cup
6
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:51:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Also, if you care(bear) about what ingame ppl call you how do you handle RL? I dig a hole in the woods and roll the body in. I handle it the same way everybody handles it. What are you, European or something?
Yeah, if I had a penny for every time I murdered someone for calling me a carebear irl... |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
197
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:54:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I'm a carebear? I get accused of it. Not quite sure why. I suppose when it comes to EVE specifically, I have a different definition of carebear than other people. Hell, I think I have the better definition. On the face of it, the way I've been playing up until now, you might mistake me as carebear. I kinda suck at PvP. I mission. I incursion. I haul and do industry. I pretty much mind my own business and do my own thing in the game. If that is someone's definition of carebear, then it is far too broad. That could apply to a majority of the people playing EVE Online. I see carebears as dangerous entities to this game. Thus, I get a tad more specific in my definition. To me a carebear is ultra-risk averse. A carebear will rarely, usually only under duress, leave highsec. A carebear may engage in activities similar to mine, the difference is that the carebear feels entitled to do those things and to never be bothered doing them. A carebear loses a ship in highsec to a gank or a wardec, the fault does not lie with the carebear for being inattentive or naive. No, it's the fault of low-life psychotics, which the game should be actively trying to curb. A carebear loses ISK in a scam? Not the carebear's fault, the game should protect people from the unscrupulous. A carebear's bottom line is affected in any way, they are bitching to anyone who will listen that the game needs to change, their their choice of playstyle needs to be accommodated. The game mechanics should allow them the choice to engage in conflict at their whim, not at someone else's whim. When a carebear seeks out conflict, it's because of a desire to achieve a perfectly reasoned goal. When a carebear is forced into conflict, it's due to purposeless unmotivated aggression from players with anti-social disorders. That's not me at all. I love risk. It is why I play this game. It reminds me of the glory days of Ultima Online (the first two years), when it was the only wild-west anything goes environment available. They tried to create a sandbox. It had an economy. It was dangerous -- you died in UO, you got looted and lost all your stuff, "Ooo ooo oooooooooooo!" Those days of UO are long gone. We have EVE as our replacement. A better replacement. Ultima Online was the pinnacle of MMO play until CCP developed their little flying in space game. So yeah, I go about my business in game. People might mistake me as a carebear. Except. I'm well aware that anyone at anytime could come along and try to ruin my day. And I accept that. Happily. I've lost ships. I've lost billions in ISK. I would never complain about losing stuff. It sucks when it happens, but afterwards it is really why I love this game. I'm f**king passionate about this game. EVE is conflict. I don't want that conflict to ever go away. It needs to permeate every iota, every segment, every nook and cranny of this game. And I will f**king scream and shout and point fingers at anyone who says it should be otherwise. Carebears ruined Ultima Online with their incessant whining and screaming and demands to curb non-consensual conflict. I do not want to see that happen to EVE Online. It's the only sandbox on the block. Where the f**k am I going to play if the carebears take this sandbox too? (from Who's a carebear?)
Who cares
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
27
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:59:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote: tl;dr
As so many have said before: Came expecting Blog link, left unhappily fulfilled. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
413
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:42:00 -
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Your OP describes the activities of a carebear.
What you are describing you are not, is a carebear with a sense of entitlement.
You "kinda suck at PVP"? Well, guess what. Everyone does when they don't try.
You are being risk adverse by not trying.*
Pro double link to your blog BTW.
* I remember you saying you were joining RvB, for instance. You blogged about all the fits you were going to use. How you were going to change, adapt, and use it as a learning experience. You stayed in the corp one day then left, and redacted all the blog posts. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
342
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:45:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:What you are describing you are not, is a carebear with a sense of entitlement. Where's my entitlement?
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
413
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:47:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:What you are describing you are not, is a carebear with a sense of entitlement. Where's my entitlement? Can you read?
Try again. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
342
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:01:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:What you are describing you are not, is a carebear with a sense of entitlement. Where's my entitlement? Can you read? That's a f**king awkward sentence, dude. That could have been written more clearly in about twenty different ways. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
342
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:05:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:* I remember you saying you were joining RvB, for instance. You blogged about all the fits you were going to use. How you were going to change, adapt, and use it as a learning experience. You stayed in the corp one day then left, and redacted all the blog posts. I went in to RvB with a bunch of T1 fit ships ... thinking that would be cool, that that's what most people flew. They didn't. So wasn't really all that competitive. I was meaning to go back once I could completely fit out a ship with T2 mods ... but never got around to it.
I do have 10 Ishkur's sitting in Villore (I think), out near Old Man Star, ready for me to PvP in. I just never feel like I'm ready enough for it. Always one more gunnery skill to learn. I know. I need to dive into and let it all hang out. I'll try to do that this weekend. Just do it. Finally. I need to dive straight into the deep end. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
gargars
Cohesion Inc Beyond-Repair
15
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:07:00 -
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Eve Uni said you are a carebear.
/me ducking |
Psychophantic
113
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:08:00 -
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How does a carebear exist in a non-consensual pvp game?
Everytime you undock you are at risk. Everytime you buy or sell something on the market you are competing.
This isn't UO and you aren't living in Trammel. It's not WoW and you're not on a pve server.
So in EvE's context a carebear is someone who is risk averse or does their best to minimise any risk. Kind of liking blobbing people with supers or performing that calculated suicide gank. |
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
25
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:16:00 -
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Hi, my name is I Love Boobies, and I am a Carebear. Should I feel guilty for being a Carebear? No more so than being a Prat, or the most effective PvPer in Eve Online, even a Scammer for what it's worth. Eve Online is a game that caters to all styles of play, so why should people care about how others play?
It's actually quite humorous when people rush to the forums and declare people are playing the game wrong. Play the game how you see fit, don't worry about others and how they feel about your style of game play. The true Carebears are the ones who worry or complain about the play styles of others. Just play the game, have fun. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
342
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:20:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Hi, my name is I Love Boobies, and I am a Carebear. Should I feel guilty for being a Carebear? No more so than being a Prat, or the most effective PvPer in Eve Online, even a Scammer for what it's worth. Eve Online is a game that caters to all styles of play, so why should people care about how others play? It's actually quite humorous when people rush to the forums and declare people are playing the game wrong. Play the game how you see fit, don't worry about others and how they feel about your style of game play. The true Carebears are the ones who worry or complain about the play styles of others. Just play the game, have fun. You can play any way you want ... but when you start screaming that a game originally designed to be conflict driven (and ruthlessly so) should now give you an option to avoid conflict ... well, that's when I tell you you're playing the game wrong. Yes.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
413
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:26:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I do have 10 Ishkur's sitting in Villore (I think), out near Old Man Star, ready for me to PvP in. I just never feel like I'm ready enough for it. Risk adverse much? You can PVP in a frigate with about 2 weeks worth of SP, in RvB or elsewhere. I know, because I have done this several times. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
342
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:28:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:This isn't UO and you aren't living in Trammel. I quit when Trammel was introduced. The carebears had won. I moved on to EQ, the Rallos Zek server, the only PvP server EQ had at release. I only play MMOs on PvP servers, even if I am not particularly good at it.
Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
342
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:29:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:I do have 10 Ishkur's sitting in Villore (I think), out near Old Man Star, ready for me to PvP in. I just never feel like I'm ready enough for it. Risk adverse much? You can PVP in a frigate with about 2 weeks worth of SP, in RvB or elsewhere. I know, because I have done this several times. Averse.
And yeah, you can, if you want to get blown up constantly. You don't learn much when your Incursus is completely T1 fit and you're going up consistently against T2 fit ships. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
28
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Posted - 2011.11.24 11:10:00 -
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The way I see it, the word "carebear" implies that you think we actually care about other people. And by that definition, I'm not at all a carebear. I don't care about other players, except the ones in my corp, and I couldn't care less about what happens to others, neither in-game nor in real-life.
But then again, I just don't know how to care.
By the pirates' definition, I'm a carebear and I'm happy with it. I don't get a thrill out of shooting someone else. Last time I was in low-sec, my pulse was even racing, even though I was cloaked and at a safe(r) spot. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
413
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Posted - 2011.11.24 11:38:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:I do have 10 Ishkur's sitting in Villore (I think), out near Old Man Star, ready for me to PvP in. I just never feel like I'm ready enough for it. Risk adverse much? You can PVP in a frigate with about 2 weeks worth of SP, in RvB or elsewhere. I know, because I have done this several times. Averse. And yeah, you can, if you want to get blown up constantly. You don't learn much when your Incursus is completely T1 fit and you're going up consistently against T2 fit ships. This is because you suck. You suck because you just will not accept any advice. Also, you were told on your blog that a Meta 0 fit would DIAF (you admitted you could use T2, but didn't) but ignored the advice and did it anyway, then gave up after one ******* day instead of trying to adapt. You then redacted your blog posts.
n.b. my RvB alt had 850k SP and took 35kills for 6 losses.
So, yes. You are actually too risk averse to learn.
You moaned and whined and bitched about E-Uni ... yet if you had spent the same amount of time actually learning from them, you may have learned that shield boosted bombers are terribly, terribly fail. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
413
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Posted - 2011.11.24 11:40:00 -
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Wondering which part you will selectively quote to continue the attention whoring.
+10 points if you can link it to your blog. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Oxylan
Blood Fanatics
0
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Posted - 2011.11.24 11:44:00 -
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Remember most carebears living in null space, also they pseudo super pvpers... 80% of those people farm feat NPC on asteroid bells 24/7 after hardcore farm they buy some ships like cheap intercepttors and they do pvp,,, one pvp like one hour roam give to them around +20 assist on kill mail, they have awesome kill ratio,,, |
Prince Kobol
68
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Posted - 2011.11.24 11:59:00 -
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@OP - Who died and made you god?
Every time you post its always about how YOU think the game should be played, what rules YOU think should be enforced, what changes YOU want to see made.
Ever stop to think that maybe nobody here gives a **** what YOU think
Eve Uni really did a good job making you bitter and twisted didn't they.
Just for this Eve Uni should be immune to everything :)
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