If you don't PVP you are a carebear. I wouldn't worry about it enough to make a thread about it though unless you feel guilty.

Who gives a ****. Play the game. Have fun. If it's not fun because someone called you a mean name, don't play the game.

Who gives a ****. Play the game. Have fun. If it's not fun because someone called you a mean name, don't play the game.

Also, if you care(bear) about what ingame ppl call you how do you handle RL?

I dig a hole in the woods and roll the body in. I handle it the same way everybody handles it.

What are you, European or something?

I dig a hole in the woods and roll the body in. I handle it the same way everybody handles it. What are you, European or something?

I'm a carebear? I get accused of it. Not quite sure why. I suppose when it comes to EVE specifically, I have a different definition of carebear than other people. Hell, I think I have the better definition.

On the face of it, the way I've been playing up until now, you might mistake me as carebear. I kinda suck at PvP. I mission. I incursion. I haul and do industry. I pretty much mind my own business and do my own thing in the game. If that is someone's definition of carebear, then it is far too broad. That could apply to a majority of the people playing EVE Online.

I see carebears as dangerous entities to this game. Thus, I get a tad more specific in my definition.

To me a carebear is ultra-risk averse. A carebear will rarely, usually only under duress, leave highsec. A carebear may engage in activities similar to mine, the difference is that the carebear feels entitled to do those things and to never be bothered doing them. A carebear loses a ship in highsec to a gank or a wardec, the fault does not lie with the carebear for being inattentive or naive. No, it's the fault of low-life psychotics, which the game should be actively trying to curb. A carebear loses ISK in a scam? Not the carebear's fault, the game should protect people from the unscrupulous. A carebear's bottom line is affected in any way, they are bitching to anyone who will listen that the game needs to change, their their choice of playstyle needs to be accommodated. The game mechanics should allow them the choice to engage in conflict at their whim, not at someone else's whim. When a carebear seeks out conflict, it's because of a desire to achieve a perfectly reasoned goal. When a carebear is forced into conflict, it's due to purposeless unmotivated aggression from players with anti-social disorders.

That's not me at all.

I love risk. It is why I play this game. It reminds me of the glory days of Ultima Online (the first two years), when it was the only wild-west anything goes environment available. They tried to create a sandbox. It had an economy. It was dangerous -- you died in UO, you got looted and lost all your stuff, "Ooo ooo oooooooooooo!" Those days of UO are long gone. We have EVE as our replacement. A better replacement. Ultima Online was the pinnacle of MMO play until CCP developed their little flying in space game.

So yeah, I go about my business in game. People might mistake me as a carebear. Except. I'm well aware that anyone at anytime could come along and try to ruin my day. And I accept that. Happily. I've lost ships. I've lost billions in ISK. I would never complain about losing stuff. It sucks when it happens, but afterwards it is really why I love this game.

I'm f**king passionate about this game. EVE is conflict. I don't want that conflict to ever go away. It needs to permeate every iota, every segment, every nook and cranny of this game. And I will f**king scream and shout and point fingers at anyone who says it should be otherwise. Carebears ruined Ultima Online with their incessant whining and screaming and demands to curb non-consensual conflict. I do not want to see that happen to EVE Online. It's the only sandbox on the block. Where the f**k am I going to play if the carebears take this sandbox too?

(from Who's a carebear?)

tl;dr

What you are describing you are not, is a carebear with a sense of entitlement.

Where's my entitlement?

Can you read?

Hi, my name is I Love Boobies, and I am a Carebear. Should I feel guilty for being a Carebear? No more so than being a Prat, or the most effective PvPer in Eve Online, even a Scammer for what it's worth. Eve Online is a game that caters to all styles of play, so why should people care about how others play?

It's actually quite humorous when people rush to the forums and declare people are playing the game wrong. Play the game how you see fit, don't worry about others and how they feel about your style of game play. The true Carebears are the ones who worry or complain about the play styles of others. Just play the game, have fun.

I do have 10 Ishkur's sitting in Villore (I think), out near Old Man Star, ready for me to PvP in. I just never feel like I'm ready enough for it.

This isn't UO and you aren't living in Trammel.

Risk adverse much?

You can PVP in a frigate with about 2 weeks worth of SP, in RvB or elsewhere. I know, because I have done this several times.

Averse.

And yeah, you can, if you want to get blown up constantly. You don't learn much when your Incursus is completely T1 fit and you're going up consistently against T2 fit ships.

You are a care bear because instead of actually engaging in any sort of PvP to damage or even harass your in-game enemies, you resort to crying and whining non stop. In fact, you are the absolute worst type of player to have in this game, the type who will whine and cry until their face turns blue rather than even attempting to use the resources in the sandbox.

I can't say this loud enough. Get the **** out.

If you don't PVP you are a carebear. I wouldn't worry about it enough to make a thread about it though unless you feel guilty.

In fact, you are the absolute worst type of player to have in this game, the type who will whine and cry until their face turns blue rather than even attempting to use the resources in the sandbox.

The OP's fourth paragraph sums up the carebear situation pretty nicely, I'd say.

OP, you're obviously at peace with EVE's inherent nature, and are therefore not a carebear. However, your inferiority complex is making you extremely ineffectual in relation to the pvp aspect of this game. Like others have said, you don't need much to get started. You can have a great Rifter setup with less than a million skill points, and believe me, with some combat experience you will be able to beat deadspace-fit T2 frigates flown by missionbear lolpilots who see you as easy pickings and think they can teach you a lesson after you steal from their cans/wrecks.

You need to get out of your shell and stop doubting yourself. Skills will come with practice, but practice won't come without effort.

I started reading that and thought... they're right... until they made out that their idea of PvP is preying on mission runners by stealing their cans and baiting them into a fight... Just look at the risk you are taking! I think I'd pass out... "PvP" in high sec against bears? Sounds even more bearish than just running the mission.

Averse.

And yeah, you can, if you want to get blown up constantly. You don't learn much when your Incursus is completely T1 fit and you're going up consistently against T2 fit ships.

I was trying to make a different point, but since that's the way you chose to interpret those words, allow me to just go ahead and calmly ask for some elaboration as to whether or not U MAD BRO?

I spend much (probabluy most )of my time in lowsec and 0.0 but I almost never shoot at anyone but people try to catch me a lot.
I dont consider that being a carebear.

Think a carebear is someone who game experience based on their playstyle would be improved if there was no PVP in EVE.

Waaahh waaahh waaah Cap ship changes waaaa waaaa waaaah 0.0 nerfing.... oh my god CCP stop ruining null sec omg omg omg. Doesn't ring a bell?

True.

Its a miracle you even found this thread amidst the pages and pages of whine threads about TEST and myself in particular crying about the nerf to our absolutely massive super capital fleet.

Averse.

And yeah, you can, if you want to get blown up constantly. You don't learn much when your Incursus is completely T1 fit and you're going up consistently against T2 fit ships.

A carebear may engage in activities similar to mine, the difference is that the carebear feels entitled to do those things and to never be bothered doing them.
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Not the carebear's fault, the game should protect people from the unscrupulous.

Contradictory statements detected
If you're not one, don't think like one...

I just wish there was a tag for people who have no idea what to do how ever long they play.

I spend my time in this game scared shirtless that someone will come into my home (C2 WH population: me) and kick the living shirt out of my panzy ascot. However sometimes when im feeling lucky i go out in my cloaky loki and steal some cheese from other WH's. I have never pvp'd and i dont really care too.....i mean dont get me wrong you will die if you come in my WH with a non-combat vessel but that is not pvp.

If this makes me a carebear i don't give a haberdasher because it is the play style i like.

Was doing pvp....
Now i live in highsec...
doing nothing....
maby a incursion now and then...
I guess im a carebear then

If you don't PVP you are a carebear.

Do you want CCP to give you a PvP flag? If the answer is no, then you are not a carebear. :)

according to CCP you pvp every time you undock. So i am a hardcore pvper.

If you don't PVP you are a carebear. I wouldn't worry about it enough to make a thread about it though unless you feel guilty.

Person versus carebear is not PvP.
Its PvV
Person versus victim

I'm a carebear! \o/

... but which one am I?

I'm a carebear! \o/

... but which one am I?

If you don't PVP you are a carebear. I wouldn't worry about it enough to make a thread about it though unless you feel guilty.

ITT: OP rails about Carebears shitting in his sandbox while simultaneously being a Carebear and shitting in other people's sandboxes. Also, at some point, OP is buggered by the guy from Sudden Buggery before proceeding to ignore many valid points and numerous requests from his peers to, "Please, for the love of god, shut the **** up and go the **** away."

"Please, for the love of god, shut the **** up and go the **** away."

So, Ensign, no need for you to be all Internet Rambo, there's no more points for you to score. The "war" is over.

Also, at some point, OP is buggered by the guy from Sudden Buggery before proceeding to ignore many valid points and numerous requests from his peers

You "kinda suck at PVP"? Well, guess what. Everyone does when they don't try.

You are being risk averse by not trying.

To be honest, even if you diaf for your first 20 fights you still learn an absolute ton ... this cool guy from the Bastards (General Coochie) made a vid killing bad people in interceptors by flying a 800k isk incursus with cheap meta modules (meta 3 or lower). http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadid=1017792

that was my inspiration and how I got started.

If you don't PVP you are a carebear. I wouldn't worry about it enough to make a thread about it though unless you feel guilty.

I just need to finish this Sisters of Eve arc (I need to get my Amarr standings higher), so I'll start building out ships and hauling them Saturday. I'll start getting killed on Sunday. :)

If your goal is to reach 0.5, to join FW (my best guess on why this is necessary) you can get there in about 2hours by running the new player tutorials for Amarr players, plus Connections III and Social III.

That's right Ice...man!
Poetic Stanziel is... dangeroussssssssss sssss sss ss s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o

terrible post by terrible troll

This whole thread is Poetic Stanziel trying to score more points with the proverbial cool kids he ogles down in null sec. If this doesn't work, maybe you can write a Null Sec Counter-Circumnavigation blog.

That's a f**king awkward sentence, dude. That could have been written more clearly in about twenty different ways.

What I got from the part of the OP I bothered to read was that a carebear that screws up bawls that it wasn't their fault and that the others are to blame.


Ummmm...........

Holy jesus, read wtf the guy wrote, ffs, instead of what you wanted to see...

OP claims that he is not a carebear by his definition. His definition involves an abdication of personal responsibility for personal failings.

I then quoted the author of the OP in an exchange where he abdicates his personal responsibility for a personal failing.

I'm f**king passionate about this game. EVE is conflict. I don't want that conflict to ever go away. It needs to permeate every iota, every segment, every nook and cranny of this game. And I will f**king scream and shout and point fingers at anyone who says it should be otherwise. Carebears ruined Ultima Online with their incessant whining and screaming and demands to curb non-consensual conflict. I do not want to see that happen to EVE Online. It's the only sandbox on the block. Where the f**k am I going to play if the carebears take this sandbox too?

(from Who's a carebear?)

ITT: OP rails about Carebears shitting in his sandbox while simultaneously being a Carebear and shitting in other people's sandboxes.

To answer the questions I assume you meant to ask and ignoring the blatant assertions without any proof, no. You really do appear to struggle with the written English language. There is nothing that I wrote which could possibly lead you to conclude I would hold an opinion other than that.

Stuff...

You "kinda suck at PVP"? Well, guess what. Everyone does when they don't try.

Are you sure about PVP? I know of your penchant for the 1v1 Incursus encounter , but are you thinking of PVP as a matter of putting oneself in a situation where PVP is always an outcome?

I think there is a difference between "carebear is someone who does not PVP" versus "carebear is someone who is entirely risk-averse".

Bringing this up because I have seen PVPers who were very risk averse, so much that I once ran off a 5-man group because non of them wanted to be "the lossmail" in the encounter. I was dead meat, but their own fear of losing a ship saved my skin.

Priceless, coming from a guy who's been in the Uni four months too long. It's your warm blankie.

I'm off the Uni, if the news hadn't reached you yet... The "war" is over.

If you don't play the game just to show how much of a geek you are, why waste training time on PvP?

BTW, love your signature.

There you go again, thinking you have any say whatsoever about how other people choose to play the game or what Corp they choose to play the game with. Tell me, when did Eve Uni add a time limit on how long people should remain a member?

It sure didn't take long for you to make this statement a boldfaced lie.

You're deadweight for the Uni. You don't contribute anything to the teaching process. The Uni is just a security blankie for you.

There aren't restrictive requirements about what you do in Eve University. Outside of war you can do what you want, when you want to do it...

Hi, my name is I Love Boobies, and I am a Carebear. Should I feel guilty for being a Carebear? No more so than being a Prat, or the most effective PvPer in Eve Online, even a Scammer for what it's worth. Eve Online is a game that caters to all styles of play, so why should people care about how others play?

It's actually quite humorous when people rush to the forums and declare people are playing the game wrong. Play the game how you see fit, don't worry about others and how they feel about your style of game play. The true Carebears are the ones who worry or complain about the play styles of others. Just play the game, have fun.

A carebear to me has never been someone who doesn't pvp. It's simply someone who gets butthurt when risk catches up to them or is extremely risk adverse. A trader who goes into lowsec and gets blown up and doesn't throw a hissy fit because he understands the nature of the game, that's not a carebear. FOTM Cane pilot who writes a lengthy post on mmorpg.com explaining how he's sick of having to run missions to replace his losses is a carebear. I don't care how badass his killboard is, he's no better than the suicide ganked miner who cries about having to replace his hulk. I'll present some examples in the form of quotes.

"I got scammed and tried to petition it but CCP said it was part of the game, I'm unsubbing until they become more noob friendly"
CAREBEAR

"I got scammed for 200 million but it was my own fault, plus it was kinda cool to see the scam I got duped in make the news"
NOT CAREBEAR

"I want to pvp, but I don't want to go to low/null"
CAREBEAR

"I'm probably going to lose my Proteus tonight, eh, I'll go for it"
NOT CAREBEAR

"Goons keep blowing up my ice miners, I'm going to unsub until this blows over."
CAREBEAR

"I hope Goons try that **** again, I want to see if my tank can hold them until Concord gets to me this time."
HOPELESS DREAMER and also NOT CAREBEAR

Why, "carebear" usually denotes someone who's satisfied with building, rather than wanton destruction. Since it was a kid's cartoon, the ones who use the term pejoratively are infantile enough to think it's an insult to be compared to something harmless and cuddly. The ones who use the name to label someone else, of course, would wet their pants and cry for mommy if they actually ran into a tough guy...something they've probably already done several times in their sweet short lives. The experience is so unbearable (no pun intended) they spend the rest of their lives trying to make up for it by seeming tough, only from perfectly safe places...like behind a keyboard in mummy's basement.

wiki dat

Who's a carebear?

A carebear to me has never been someone who doesn't pvp. It's simply someone who gets butthurt when risk catches up to them or is extremely risk adverse. A trader who goes into lowsec and gets blown up and doesn't throw a hissy fit because he understands the nature of the game, that's not a carebear. FOTM Cane pilot who writes a lengthy post on mmorpg.com explaining how he's sick of having to run missions to replace his losses is a carebear. I don't care how badass his killboard is, he's no better than the suicide ganked miner who cries about having to replace his hulk. I'll present some examples in the form of quotes.

"I got scammed and tried to petition it but CCP said it was part of the game, I'm unsubbing until they become more noob friendly"
CAREBEAR

"I got scammed for 200 million but it was my own fault, plus it was kinda cool to see the scam I got duped in make the news"
NOT CAREBEAR

"I want to pvp, but I don't want to go to low/null"
CAREBEAR

"I'm probably going to lose my Proteus tonight, eh, I'll go for it"
NOT CAREBEAR

"Goons keep blowing up my ice miners, I'm going to unsub until this blows over."
CAREBEAR

"I hope Goons try that **** again, I want to see if my tank can hold them until Concord gets to me this time."
HOPELESS DREAMER and also NOT CAREBEAR

Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt!

Because propulsion jamming takes so much time.

Why, "carebear" usually denotes someone who's satisfied with building, rather than wanton destruction. Since it was a kid's cartoon, the ones who use the term pejoratively are infantile enough to think it's an insult to be compared to something harmless and cuddly. The ones who use the name to label someone else, of course, would wet their pants and cry for mommy if they actually ran into a tough guy...something they've probably already done several times in their sweet short lives. The experience is so unbearable (no pun intended) they spend the rest of their lives trying to make up for it by seeming tough, only from perfectly safe places...like behind a keyboard in mummy's basement.

I'm a Carebear but I am really bad at it

I just wish there was a tag for people who have no idea what to do how ever long they play.

My definition of a Carebear is a little bit different, I suppose. Carebears fight, and fight hard to defend their home when it's attacked.

Every week, when Professor Coldheart attacks Care-a-Lot, what do Carebears do? They defend themselves with the most powerful weapon of all; the Carebear Stare. They don't back down or run away. They're there to keep Professor Coldheart from stopping the people on earth from caring.

Yeah, I'm a carebear by some definitions ... I have definitely emo-raged because of my own stupidity at times ... but I have always known it was my own mistakes that cost me the ship(s).

. But right now I'm war decced by some Russians and hanging out in low sec because, since they're not carebears, they won't come for me there. No they only like going after high sec industrialists. But I'm the care bear.

Funny how loathe so many pvpers are to go into pvp zones.

Since some people classify mining as a form of PVP.....why are miners instantly classified as carebears?

Since some people classify mining as a form of PVP.....why are miners instantly classified as carebears?

Funny how loathe so many pvpers are to go into pvp zones.