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Diivil
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:19:00 -
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Videos explain this better than words so take a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7P8TS-s59U Pandemic Legion testing this way back in early 2013.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbDa446BUzs Pandemic Legion attempting this on a Solar titan also in early 2013 but Titan is able to jump out. This was the first and probably the only time PL tried to do this on TQ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB5EcXko2vs NC. killing a Southern Federation Titan. In this one the titan gets bumped so hard that it bumps again from the POS structure to go outside of the shields.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oaO0Wl0xGk Second angle from the same kill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqcID5PBLBk CFC testing this on Sisi. As you can see in the first bump the target titan is as deep inside the shields it can be to be able to still bridge out people who are outside the shields and that does not help him at all.
Two titans have been confirmed to being killed like this (the one above and Mister Vee's) and it's pretty much safe to assume a third one was done in by it as well but there's no solid proof of that.
The method is quite simple:
0) Wait until the target titan opens a bridge so he can't jump out.
1) Warp your cyno close to the shields near the target titan. The cyno will appear 5km away from the shields.
2) Jump in your own 15+ titans and hope one of them appears close enough to the target titan or is bumped towards the shields.
3) Target titan inside the shields gets hit by one or more of the titans that got lucky and gets bumped 3-4 km/s and will exit the shield within 10-15 seconds (fast enough so that if his bridge is up he can't jump out).
4) Titan is now outside the shields and you volley it with doomsdays.
CCP clearly isn't punishing people for doing this so are we all assuming this isn't an exploit then? This tactic has now been used numerous times on TQ with at least 3 successful titan kills and there has been no comment about it from CCP. This is not something that's new either, it has been public knowledge for about 2 years now. The only reason people were not using it from day one is because they realized that something like this shouldn't be allowed and were afraid of getting banned. This has now changed by CCP's inability to take action.
A titan that is 2500m from the shield edge inside a POS is not safe either. Cyno appears 5000m away from the shields and ships that jump to it appear in a sphere 2500m away from the cyno. This means the closest ship to the outside of the shields will be 2500m from the edge even if they don't get bumped on jump in.
The biggest Titans are 18 and 17.8km long. If a Leviathan gets a lucky jump in and appears 2500m from the shields it will penetrate 9000-2500 = 6500 meters inside the shields. That means if your titan inside a POS is less than 6500m away from the shield edge it is still theoretically possible to bump it. Of course it's starts to be more and more unlikely the more in to the shields you get which is why all these titans that have been killed have been at the "bridging position" or less than 2500m from the shield edge.
And by the way penetrating in to the shields has already been ruled as an exploit when people did it with 100mn MWDs in cruisers and going so fast that the were able to bump things inside shields before server realized what was going on and ejected them.
Worth noting is that CCP also reimbursed a titan that was bumped out from a small POS where it is physically impossible for a titan collision sphere to be fully inside the shields.
Note that moving the cyno spot 10km instead of 5km away from the shields would most likely not even solve this problem. In the first CFC test clip the Avatar that goes flying directly in to the shields would have bumped the target titan even if the cyno had been 10km away from the shields.
In simple terms this also means that it is impossible to safely use titan bridges now. Either you are too close to the shield edge that you risk getting bumped out or you are safe from the bumps but have to give out the POS password to your fleet.
Since CCP is so reluctant to answer if this is allowed or not I think it's safe to assume that if this thread gets locked or deleted they agree it's an exploit (because you are not allowed to post exploits on this forum). But if it stays open even without a CCP answer it's a legit tactic and we can all go bowling some titans together. |
Diivil
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:04:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:CCP declared this to be an exploit months ago.
None of the titans killed with this method have been reimbursed so it can't have been declared as exploit. |
Diivil
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:39:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Diivil wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:CCP declared this to be an exploit months ago. None of the titans killed with this method have been reimbursed so it can't have been declared as exploit. Here, hit CCP with this & get your silly spacewangs reimbursed,
Vee's petitions went on for over 3 months and in the end he was not reimbursed. That link among many others were mentioned from what I heard. |
Diivil
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Cebraio wrote:Even worse: This "creative use of game mechanics" (read: exploit) only hurts the small entities. That's the most nonsensical GÇ£think of the childrenGÇ¥ I've ever heard. Exploits hurt everyone. If you think otherwise, you haven't actually made any thinking at all. Oh, and exploits do not automatically lead to reimbursements (or bans), so that's not really any evidence in either direction.
This kind of exploit doesn't hurt everyone because who is going to drop 15 titans to bump out a NC. or CFC or PL titan? If CFC did it to NC. or the other way around it would start another 24h long supercap fight and seems like neither side is ready for that. Smaller groups don't have 15 titans to risk dropping in to a hostile staging system, especially those of the 3 biggest groups. But if you are PL, NC. or CFC you hold total supremacy in everything around your own staging system so any smaller group will have their bridging titans killed.
If there are no bans or reimbursements from using an exploit then CCP must come forward and make a statement that it is in exploit. This is the whole point of this thread, CCP must comment on this now because if they don't they pretty much think it's a totally legit tactic and players are free to do it. |
Diivil
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Diivil wrote:This kind of exploit doesn't hurt everyone because who is going to drop 15 titans to bump out a NC. or CFC or PL titan? It hurts everyone because it is an exploit. It hurts everyone because exploits work the same for everyone. It's really that simple. Quote:If there are no bans or reimbursements from using an exploit then CCP must GǪnothing. Exploits and any investigations thereof are entirely between CCP and the (supposed) exploiters.
I have some trouble understanding this so would you clarify. Are you saying that using exploits is fine until CCP has individually contacted everyone who has used said exploit and told them to stop doing it?
Of course it's CCP's job to inform the playerbase if the players are doing something that is not allowed or is otherwise against the rules. Why do you think exploit notifications exist if not for exactly that reason? |
Diivil
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:20:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Until CCP addresses a glaring problem, Titan owners need to have a couple of GTFO cyno's fired up at all times they are active.
Cyno won't help you if they are half way decent with bubbles and do the bump when you have a bridge up. |
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