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Mona Me
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Posted - 2014.09.14 00:56:00 -
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Is there any one corp. or alliance that we should worry about? Or are gankers mostly individual players? I did a google search and came up with nothing. That's why I'm asking...
It's a stupid question, I know, but after recent experiences , I had to ask...
Is there a list of corps or alliances we should bookmark as red to try to save our own arse's? Is this even allowed by CCP rules? Again, I found nothing in my search... I thought by now ganking would be such a pain in the arse that someone would have come up with a list of "whomever" to watch out for?
Anyway, just throwing it out there. I'm sure this thread will get locked for some reason... |
Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:03:00 -
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:05:00 -
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5073
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:06:00 -
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You shouldn't be worried about anyone. That being said, CODE. is the most active ganking alliance in the game, but there are plenty in other corps, including NPC corps, that will indulge in it as well. The trick is not to make yourself appear easy to hit. Make them work for it, and work hard. My hauling alt does almost everything in a 60K ehp/199dps active tanked Impel with MJD these days. I really want someone to try to gank him, just to see how well it holds up, but it's not a very attractive target when there are Itty-Vs getting around hauling upwards of hundreds of millions. In that sense, my tank isn't so much an armour tank as it is an idiot tank.
Additionally, ganking has never not been allowed, and if you are being intentionally obtuse then I'm not sorry for what befalls you. If you are genuinely asking though, I suggest reading the TOS and EULA instead of asking players, because many of them can't figure it out themselves either.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:06:00 -
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Mona Me
poon-tang
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:08:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrCDdm2yjXY
It's a simple question...
Has anyone even bothered to make a list of corps. or alliances to watch out for?
And does CCP even allow for that? |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5073
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:10:00 -
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Mona Me wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrCDdm2yjXY
It's a simple question...
Has anyone even bothered to make a list of corps. or alliances to watch out for?
And does CCP even allow for that?
Again, it's a simple answer. Read the TOS/EULA.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Noriko Mai
1489
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:10:00 -
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Mona Me wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrCDdm2yjXY
It's a simple question...
Has anyone even bothered to make a list of corps. or alliances to watch out for?
And does CCP even allow for that?
Greenday? You must be gay... or twelve...
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Mona Me
poon-tang
0
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:17:00 -
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Greenday was just a way to put it out there to simpletons like you. Enough smack. We all know ganking is part of the game. I was just asking if there is a way to forewarn noobs of the coming gank. (Jeez, kids these days...)
Remiel Pollard wrote:You shouldn't be worried about anyone. That being said, CODE. is the most active ganking alliance in the game, but there are plenty in other corps, including NPC corps, that will indulge in it as well. The trick is not to make yourself appear easy to hit. Make them work for it, and work hard. My hauling alt does almost everything in a 60K ehp/199dps active tanked Impel with MJD these days. I really want someone to try to gank him, just to see how well it holds up, but it's not a very attractive target when there are Itty-Vs getting around hauling upwards of hundreds of millions. In that sense, my tank isn't so much an armour tank as it is an idiot tank.
Additionally, ganking has never not been allowed, and if you are being intentionally obtuse then I'm not sorry for what befalls you. If you are genuinely asking though, I suggest reading the TOS and EULA instead of asking players, because many of them can't figure it out themselves either.
That much I "hope" we all learned the hard way. But Thank You for even giving me a point to start from! |
Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:30:00 -
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Mona Me wrote:Jeez, kids these days... )
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Mizhir
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
68495
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:36:00 -
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Concord. Just look at that KB: http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081
Ganking all people who just want to enjoy some pvp.
One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
716
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:45:00 -
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Poasting in a thread thats going places.
They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Mona Me
poon-tang
0
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:51:00 -
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I'm just as guilty, I never said I was a saint.
Again, I'm just asking. Just trying to get peoples input.
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Steppa Musana
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:57:00 -
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Mona Me
poon-tang
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:01:00 -
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Belt Scout wrote:Poasting in a thread thats going places.
That's fine also. I thought this thread would get blocked for some reason. (your posting for what reason again)
So far, only Remiel Pollard had anything intellengent/sober to say.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:07:00 -
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Mona Me wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Poasting in a thread thats going places. That's fine also. I thought this thread would get blocked for some reason. (your posting for what reason again) So far, only Remiel Pollard had anything intellengent/sober to say.
Wait. You are expecting people to be sober in GD
Not to mention that a simple google would have given you both CODE. and an answer to the CCP rule question (Ganking is perfectly legal in 99.99% of the cases).
I feel that this thread needs a lot of popcorn to be within arm's reach so let me make some.
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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
716
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:21:00 -
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Mona Me wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Poasting in a thread thats going places. That's fine also. I thought this thread would get blocked for some reason. (your posting for what reason again) So far, only Remiel Pollard had anything intellengent/sober to say.
Ok, I'll put down my drink and answer your question. CODE may be the largest active gankathon club in hisec, but make no mistake, it's the baby gankers with the sharp teeth that'll always get you. It's a part of eve and there's not much you can do about it. Just keep an ISK cushion and don't sweat it.
With that said, have fun and play the game. o/
p.s. Do you have a pic of yourself on a motorcycle wearing a tanktop by any chance? 
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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5077
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:24:00 -
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Please don't belittle other forum users on account of me. They all have something intelligent and sober to say. Whether you're worth saying it to is up to them, not me, and I don't appreciate being made a pariah.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Mona Me
poon-tang
0
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:25:00 -
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DUH... (again, drunk kids these days) Like I said, we all know ganking is fun. I started with a google search and CODE never came up.  No wonder your not ingame. To drunk to fly. 
If all you want to do is drink/smack, that's fine too. I already have a good idea of where I wanted this thread to go.
CCP can now close this thread for me. I think I got all the intelligent info I'm gonna get tonight at least. |
Mona Me
poon-tang
1
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:31:00 -
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I am sorry Remiel and Belt. I guess I'm just as guilty as they are.
I did get the info I wanted though. Code is a start... |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5080
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:35:00 -
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Mona Me wrote:I am sorry Remiel and Belt. I guess I'm just as guilty as they are. I did get the info I wanted though. Code is a start...
Owning your own faults on the EVE-O forums? You're a fast learner. You'll go far around here if you keep that up. Just don't be pretentious about it, he said pretentiously 
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
70
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:46:00 -
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Mona Me wrote:Is there any one corp. or alliance that we should worry about? Or are gankers mostly individual players? I did a google search and came up with nothing. That's why I'm asking... It's a stupid question, I know, but after recent experiences , I had to ask... Is there a list of corps or alliances we should bookmark as red to try to save our own arse's? Is this even allowed by CCP rules? Again, I found nothing in my search... I thought by now ganking would be such a pain in the arse that someone would have come up with a list of "whomever" to watch out for? Anyway, just throwing it out there. I'm sure this thread will get locked for some reason...
Join the Anti-ganking channel in game, channel name "anti-ganking"
A lot of people there have lists of the major gank organizations. The main ones are CODE, Goonswarm Federation, and Sanctuary of Shadows. Obviously there are others as well, and many gankers in NPC corps. It's good practice to -5 any consistent gankers you see and monitor local for their presence. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5080
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:48:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:worst advice ever.
If you want to learn how to avoid being ganked, learn from the gankers, or do some ganking yourself. They will know better than anyone what works.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Miyammato Musashi
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
50
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:48:00 -
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There's a guy I know who's often around Jita or Amarr called "TheMeanPerson" who has a ridiculous number of alt accounts. Really ridiculous. I've been involved with ganking a lot I would say. I've seen the big players around highsec. Groups, or guys with slaved alt teams of tornadoes or catalysts doing freighter ganks I don't know a lot about. They get in and do their thing so fast I never really chat with them or have time to observe them over extended periods of time. In my humble estimation TheMeanPerson is THE most prolific single capsuleer ganker in EvE by a wide margin, though. I've watched him for a little over half a year now... he's really got it together. His gank machine is really amazing when you start seeing all the pieces. To think one guy is doing it... I don't know the answer to your question, OP. However, you might hit that guy up. If anyone knows, it's he. |
Hiasa Kite
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:51:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:worst advice ever. If you want to learn how to avoid being ganked, learn from the gankers, or do some ganking yourself. They will know better than anyone what works.
This. The anti-ganking channel is full of incompetent fools and whining carebears that have nothing to say that could in any way be considered helpful. It's a cesspit of tears and petty bickering.
Shockingly enough, CODE., despite being an active ganking alliance, are one of the most helpful entities when it comes to learning how to prevent HiSec ganking. They actively seek to educate less experienced players on how to avoid a gank should they be willing to listen. |
Mona Me
poon-tang
1
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:58:00 -
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I have a plan for this thread. Weather it works out or not is a different story. Being rude was not part of that plan. (sorry again)
Thanks again for the info," I" just couldent find it on google. I "thought" I would get a better response from the victims.
There seems to be a data base for everything else in the game, why not a list of known gankers in the area your in. (my main would be on it) So like I said, I'm just as guilty.
But after seeing a noob I was trying to help get ganked, it occurred to me to at least ask.
Sorry for getting soft and caring!
Edit; See, in the time it takes to post, people in this game will do their BEST to help! Thanks! |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense
Easily Excited
1273
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Posted - 2014.09.14 03:01:00 -
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Mona Me wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrCDdm2yjXY
It's a simple question...
Has anyone even bothered to make a list of corps. or alliances to watch out for?
And does CCP even allow for that?
Confirming list making is a banable offense. Hail Helix.
"CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
Remove Sov! |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5082
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Posted - 2014.09.14 03:03:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Mona Me wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrCDdm2yjXY
It's a simple question...
Has anyone even bothered to make a list of corps. or alliances to watch out for?
And does CCP even allow for that? Confirming list making is a banable offense. Hail Helix.
HEIL HELIX!!
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Mona Me
poon-tang
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Posted - 2014.09.14 03:05:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Mona Me wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrCDdm2yjXY
It's a simple question...
Has anyone even bothered to make a list of corps. or alliances to watch out for?
And does CCP even allow for that? Confirming list making is a banable offense. Hail Helix.
I kinda figured that. What about an "unofficial" off site link? (or something like that)
And AGAIN, I'm just a guilty. I got ganked when I started, etc. I gank now. (well, not with this toon) |
Miyammato Musashi
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
50
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Posted - 2014.09.14 03:07:00 -
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You got me thinking, so I'm going to add what advice I can about avoiding a gank based on what I've seen and done to people. If you are not using a cov-ops cloak and flying gate to gate, and someone really really wants to gank you, there is NOTHING you can do to avoid being ganked. NOTHING.
Using a cloak while warping is the only way you can technically avoid a gank.
In practice, the best way to avoid a ganker is to keep the value of your cargo below what it costs to gank you.
I blap T1 indys in a tornado. That's around 80-90 mil fit. If you are in an Iteron V and have $100 mil in cargo, that's a bad deal for me and I won't gank you. $200 mil? Waiting for something better. $1 billion? BLAP!
Be smart about what you haul... if you are pushing it, tank up! If you are over the line you're asking for trouble.
That's all.
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