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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.03 04:21:00 -
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About the abaddon, 2 things which simply make no sense:
- tux stated that the devs want to make combat longer.
Why do we then get a BS which in dps mode HAS to make combat as short as possible because it cannot sustain it's dps?
- tux stated that the tier 3 are not supposed to make the older BSs obsolete.
Why do we then get a BS which depending on outfit will either be a more effective geddon or more effective apoc?
(Note, that, while the hyperion and maelstrom are assuming roles of the mega/pest. But only part of them - the mega will still be a better rail plattform and the tempest a better AC ship. And in both cases it won't touch the domi or phoon.)
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.03 10:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Kaela Arana
RoF bonus is crap without a large cap or cap bonus eh? Why not use a cap recharger?
A cap recharger is already a standard outfit for many arma/apoc outfits. And in either case it's not even remotely suffecient to counter the massive capneed an aba will have in dps mode.
Originally by: Kldraina
Perhaps what the Apoc and Arma will be good for, is using both Lasers and Tank, instead of just one or the other.
An apoc in tankmode is not using lasers, it's using projectiles.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
I made some test with Apoc fittings today. Mostly to find out how tec 2 items effect cap usage. I switched my beloved tec 2 hardeners for nice named and guess what? I was able to strip a cap recharger and capa was still stable.
Amarr pilots fit loads of tec 2 gear and wonder where their capa went to. As a result the Abaddon can only suck -- with a tec 2 fitting. If the Abaddon would get good capa nobody would use the Apoc and the Geddon anymore.
Sorry, but that argument is just silly.
Firstly, for PvE the additional resiatances from the t2 harderners will benefit you more than being able to fit one less cap recharger. What would you fit there else anyway?
Secondly, for PvP, if you are still using active harderners there I would kindly point you toward a 2 EAN2 + 1 DC setup, which uses basically no cap, less cpu than a 3 active harderner setup and gives you a bigger effective hitpoint increase.
So, where else to "save" cap? T2 armor reps are more capeffective than t1 ones, so those fall out of the window. Oh, we could use t1 guns and t1 ammo and do less dps and still use more cap than a geddon with t2 guns and t2 ammo.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.03 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad
I do my best to avoid any combat at ranges greater than 50km, but if I was doing the 0.0 fleet hell, I would much rather be flying an Abaddon with 1400mm and plates than a Maelstrom with 1400mm. RoF bonus doens't mean that much in fleets (helps sure, but not that much).
The irony is that if the other side is using EAN2 + plate tanks it will do probably more dps with 1400mms than with tachyons.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
The dps is pretty scary.
Base dps. After an EAN2 tank there's not much left. Ironically the BS with the most dps against 3 EAN2 tanked armor will be the mealstrom.
Then the hyperion. Then a tachyon aba. Then the mega.
Of cource, the aba will do more dps vs shield and structure. But with multiple 1600mm plates Over 50% of the ships hp will be armor.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
the difference btw 4,28dps and 5,2dps is 21,5%, sorry thats not a little for me 
Exept you buy this boost for 85 cap/sec (8 Tachyons with max skills on the aba).
And note this is for using 1400mms with *amarr* ships which have no boni for them. A mealstrom will have 5.7 dps vs EAN2 armor. Even a tempest with 6 guns will have more than the aba with 5.35 dps (and the aba has an effective dual damage bonus, too, with the +rof and the higher raw base damage from lasers).
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.05 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Wan Nathiil
Well the steam locomotive is a "leap" back, but the point is that new stuff has to be just a "little" better to be interresting. I wont pretend i have all the answers, but i think there is (in general) more Tempest pilots than Phoon, more Apoc than Armas etc... because (and i know people will LOVE to argue about this)TIER2 are in general just a tiny bit better than TIER1. Tier1 still has theyr use though, and will (hopefully) be around for awhile longer, because there are things they are better at still
Actually for apocs and armas it's the other way around. Also I would say the dominix is more common than the mega.
Only morons and noobs are using ships based on their tier. People are usually using ships based on what they can *do*.
An apoc is not able to deal the dps of a geddon, so usually a geddon is used if you want to do that. Similary, a geddon cannot tank as well, so if you want to do that you'll use an apoc. A typhoon is a better closerange dps boat, the tempest is a better sniper. While Tempests are also used regulary as AC boats this is mainly because the typhoon is more skillintensive and was gimped for a long time until recently. Also, tempests can mount a bit of ECM, which gives them an extra edge. Once that is nerfed you won't see them as often as shortrange boats.
For all races tier 2 is not not something better, but something *different*. This is especialyl noticeable with the cladari and gallente BSs.
If the tier 3 ships are simply bigger, better instead "something else" once the market has clamed down after the initial rush their tier1&2 ships they replace will go the way of the kodo.
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