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kieron	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:16:00 - [1] Tux's last blog about the stats of tier 3 Battleships caused a lot of discussion, so he spends part of his new Blog going into some of the design details about the new content. He also gives an update on the progress of tier 2 Battlecruisers, Assault Missiles and Inertial Stabilizers. So, there you have it. You can read Tuxford's new blog here. Remember, read then post, not post then read. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online


Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:20:00 - [2] Originally by: kieron Remember, read then post, not post then read. First is considered spam. Please discuss the blog now. Email Us \| Forum Rules \| Website

Thisis Mymain	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:21:00 - [3] Glad about the Hyperion's MWD bonus change that didn't seem to fit with the other bonuses. Look forward to having a go in or at em
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:21:00 - [4] Edited by: Kirex on 02/08/2006 16:24:26 aw wtf :( why did you remove my post? D: I was the first poster :( I posted even before this was made a sticky :( well I read It, didnt realy answer my questions though ;/
Manus Ghostface Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:22:00 - [5] From the blog then it sounds like Maelstrom and Hyperion are still being tweaked as far as their bonus, and the BC are still iffy on theirs as well? That city is well fortified which has a wall of men instead of brick. - Lycurgus
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:23:00 - [6] so now we can have a bs turning like a frigate :D doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Araston vonBek Caldari Von Bek Incorporated	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:25:00 - [7] They stole your first post too? Curse you forum mods!!! And I was so excited too, kinda like OMG I'm up there with the big boys now, I've made it, then to have it stolen away as if it was nothing... /me adds BC-5 to his 'to train' list and awaits further stats on those. Glad to see Inertial Stabs getting some attention, I have a big pile somewhere that need melting, so I'm gonna hold onto them for a while now. I'm liking the sound of Assault missiles too. Here's eagerly awaiting Kali 1.
Kael D'mende Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:26:00 - [8] Nice one :O) like the feel that we aint ignored, would hate to tune up the whining hehe anyway, looking forward to the "other stuff" ;o) Regards. /Kael
Amano vonBek Minmatar Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:27:00 - [9] Wrong account AND wrong character, way to go Andy...
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:27:00 - [10] This blog basicly confirms Maelstrom will not have a use in this game. There is nothing it can do that other ships cant do better. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

Kael D'mende Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Jim McGregor This blog basicly confirms Maelstrom will not have a use in this game. There is nothing it can do that other ships cant do better. Yup, but Tux is clearly aware of this, so have fate ;o) Regards. /Kael
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:31:00 - [12] So we are stuck with the Abaddon as it is and won't be getting a Big Arbitrator droneboat instead? ___________________
TotalHottie	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:33:00 - [13] GReat stuff - i love it (regular)
Ryysa Total Failure	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:33:00 - [14] the problem with maelstrom would be though, that with 7 mids, it would have better shieldtank than caldari ships, which seems somehow "wrong"... if you know what i mean... It's not like raven can tackle either... I'd actually be fairly happy if it had 6 slots, you can have a 4 slot tank and use webdrones or something... All about target jamming
Stephar Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:36:00 - [15] Please reexamine the Abaddon. You said in your first blog that it could be used for either tanking or ganking, but I still don't understand how it can sustain any sort of tank and shoot lasers at the same time. Are you expecting people to use projectiles for the tanking role? From all I can gather, it looks like a two-minute wonder... a ship that will be overpowered for those two minutes, and seriously gimped when out of cap charges. Basically, a ship that is impossible to balance.
Francesca Dell'Agio eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:39:00 - [16] Edited by: Francesca Dell''Agio on 02/08/2006 16:45:35 Maelstrom .. well, long range artillery boat - ok we get that. But even then 4 med slots is not enough by far for a proper shield tank. Plus there's also the bit on speed (AB/MWD), and especially in fleet engagements the always necessary bit of EW (RDS ftw). so .. 4 med slots for the tank??? That makes me wonder how many it will end up as. WTB: In Game Map Setting: Players logged off in system last 24 hours. Guess why ^^
Ather Ialeas Viziam	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei So we are stuck with the Abaddon as it is and won't be getting a Big Arbitrator droneboat instead? Go Gallente. Amarrs are lasers (and imo smartbombs too). ...then again, laser-fitted Amarr ship is in many cases awfully scary for the one who flies the ship, not the target. ________________________________________________ Originally by: Nidhoggur How could I possibly be wrong, using the figures directly from Eve?
Wizzkidy Stupid People Always Need Killing E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:49:00 - [18] Im annoyed, all I keep hearing about is "missles" and how CCP is going to add this and that for missile users and how these other race ship are going to be different and how this and that are not "balanced" I really want to hear something about laser weapons and ammar ships, I think by now it's obvious that ammar are not balanced at all with other races. and low and behold not even a mention about the new ammar bs? Why oh why do ammar get the short end of the stick every single time? I mean what ever happend to the reduction in grid and CPU for Tachyons? I saw one mention about it and then never again. Please give ammar some love for once, they already have a hard enough time already when it comes to tanking and ganking unlike other races
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:50:00 - [19] Quote: Maelstrom med slots, the argument I've seen so far is that it needs at least 3 slots for speed mod, webbie and a scrambler, anything less than 4 slots is too little to tank with. I recognize that logic but we intend the Maelstrom to be a shield tanking artillery boat, relying on other ships to tackle for you. Then again shield boost bonus isn't really terribly effective in fleets where you have potentially a lot of ships firing at you and damage output exceeds your tank's absorption by a wide margin. That's basically the reasoning for changing the Moa's shield boost bonus to resistance bonus originally. A shield tank with 4 slots is crap. It might work as an armor tank but not as shield tank. Ship lovers click here
Copenhagen Amarr JuBa Corp	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Ryysa the problem with maelstrom would be though, that with 7 mids, it would have better shieldtank than caldari ships, which seems somehow "wrong"... if you know what i mean... It's not like raven can tackle either... I'd actually be fairly happy if it had 6 slots, you can have a 4 slot tank and use webdrones or something... I would like to know wtf is "Wrong" about the Minmatar actually getting a BS that does something better than another race?? There isnt one thing that a Minny can do better than another BS atm other than the 1400 alpha strike. Wow, we get to fire one volley then we are mediocre for the rest of the battle. The other BS's have better DPS, can fire just as far, and can tank more than us. We are used to being the underdog crapped on race, but for the love of God throw us a bone everyonce in a while!!

MrRael	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Ather Ialeas ...then again, laser-fitted Amarr ship is in many cases awfully scary for the one who flies the ship, not the target. true that. so can i take it that the Abaddon can atleast fit 6-8 TACHYON's now? more Powergrid and cpu ftw p.s. so should we expect the slot layout of the Abaddon to be the same as the geddon?
Paddlefoot Aeon Gallente Neogen Industries	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:51:00 - [22] Regarding the hyperion: Quote: We've played around with other bonuses; the bonus that is on it right now is mass addition reduction bonus, if that makes sense to anyone. That bonus effectively makes you faster with ab/mwd with a reduced agility penalty when you fit one. So you only get the agility bonus if you have an active MWD or AB, but the BS will still have low agility when not using/fitting a MWD/AB??? I see the Hyperion as a fast assault battleship: up close and lethal, able to approach fast, align fast, and be relatively more nimble than the other BS, whether using MWD/AB or not.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:56:00 - [23] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 02/08/2006 16:56:48 Quote: Currently they give about 25% more damage over time and have a range of about 15km with no ship range bonuses Those numbers look a tad wrong to me tbh. 25% more damage, that sounds about right for a short range weapon system (comparing to the gunnery equivalents). However, the 15km range would be about equal to the base range of a medium range turret would it not ? We'll see how that pans out, but I thought you had more or less already concluded that the current base torpedo range is essentially way too high. This assault missile range seems derived from that statistic, making it a mistake if you consider torp range too high, no ? Old blog
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:59:00 - [24] While I'm pleased at the info regarding assault missiles and am mildly interested at the possibility of high-damage low-tank tier 2 battlecruisers to kill smaller ships (tracking bonus?), I must say that the maelstrom and hyperion concern me. I'm still getting the "my AC tempest will be useless thanks to the introduction of the hyperion and also the ECM nerf" vibe off this. Tux, if you get the chance to address our concerns in that regard it would be much appreciated. As of now it looks like things are on track to make any short-ranged Minmatar battleship setup obsolescent. The AC tempest is forced to rely on its multispectral jammer to even out fights due to low DPS and difficulty fitting a good tank and damage mods, and ECM is getting nerfed. Moreover, once the hyperion makes it into the game maintaining range will be an excersize in futility; it's already pretty much impossible vs. the mega thanks to Null L unless you want to get out of scramble range and watch your target warp off. Oh, and there's the velocity penalty on Hail to consider, too, whereas Void does not reduce a blaster boat's velocity at all. I don't know how coherent that sounded, seeing as how I haven't had anything to eat yet today and my head is spinning, but it would be much appreciated if you could take some time out to address our concerns regarding the viability of the AC tempest. Thanks. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:59:00 - [25] Edited by: Sarmaul on 02/08/2006 16:59:35 So, what's the point of the tempest and megathron? TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
HappyKitten Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.08.02 17:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Sarmaul So, what's the point of the tempest and megathron? They both look cool.
Altamekz The Caravan Guards Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.02 17:00:00 - [27] Do what yo have to do but dont remove the bonus on cap usage from laser, all amarr ships has it, it's part of the role playing...Add ONE of these bonus instead ( like for elite industrial ) reduction armor repair time or increase the armor repaired for cycle
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution	Posted - 2006.08.02 17:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Altamekz Do what yo have to do but dont remove the bonus on cap usage from laser, all amarr ships has it, it's part of the role playing...Add ONE of these bonus instead ( like for elite industrial ) reduction armor repair time or increase the armor repaired for cycle Game balance for PvP purposes > roleplaying. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Altamekz The Caravan Guards Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.02 17:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Altamekz Do what yo have to do but dont remove the bonus on cap usage from laser, all amarr ships has it, it's part of the role playing...Add ONE of these bonus instead ( like for elite industrial ) reduction armor repair time or increase the armor repaired for cycle Game balance for PvP purposes > roleplaying. The game is not all about PvP
BOB ALT	Posted - 2006.08.02 17:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Stephar Please reexamine the Abaddon. You said in your first blog that it could be used for either tanking or ganking, but I still don't understand how it can sustain any sort of tank and shoot lasers at the same time. Are you expecting people to use projectiles for the tanking role? From all I can gather, it looks like a two-minute wonder... a ship that will be overpowered for those two minutes, and seriously gimped when out of cap charges. Basically, a ship that is impossible to balance. /SIGNED by not seeing anything about the abadon I can only conclude that the ship is not being looked at. If your going to give the amarr a ship that has a ROF bonus then its going to need a capacitor bonus as well, lasers use cap and lots of it, or have you forgotten this? Either change that ROF bonus to a damage bonus or change the way lasers work all together because as it is the Abadon is going to be a broken ship when its released. Why do the Amarr always always ALWAYS seem to get the short end of the stick on these things.



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