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Vena Saris Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.03 08:49:00 - [91] Congratulation D2 and friends. I enjoyed many engagements during my stay in XZH, many thanks to everyone who participated. I also enjoyed those casual local chatting/games when everyone were being civil. I definately hope we'll try again in a few months.
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.08.03 09:00:00 - [92] Originally by: Nevvy Good fights. In the end it came down to economics. Economics and especially logistics, as I predicted a couple of weeks ago when it looked like D2 were "losing". 30 POS in two nights is not something that happens by itself ;) (Also, WRT the "we couldn't counter-attack because of the lag", the GS/SMASH capital work the night before that (Thursday? Friday? I lost track) was underwhelming even without the lag. You guys put up a good fight, and it was smart getting SMASH involved, but it never really looked like you were going to win anything that weekend - the lag just made things slightly easier and probably cheaper for D2 et al)
Ashraaf Infinite Improbability Inc	Posted - 2006.08.03 09:37:00 - [93] Thanks to our allies
grizouh SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.08.03 09:54:00 - [94] thx to everybody which participated regularly on our side, and a big special thx to mumm for doing a great job. going back to mine some veld in jita now due to all the cspa i had to pay <g>
Trac3rt GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.03 10:38:00 - [95] Originally by: Smith With GoonSwarm unable to hold 1 station!!! What now for the defeated Goons? To answer your question, we are heading back to Syndicate, having loads of fun, generally blowing off steam after an extended siege. We have a few people to deal with down there, but it is not a problem. To respond to your allegation, we were perfectly capable of holding the station. I think D2 will agree that almost every assault, in our off-peak hours, was repelled. We lost because D2 bought the system, putting up over 40 large towers, something we were not prepared to financially counter. Our military counterattack stalled because the node died for 8 hours, and BoB started roaring on the forums causing our allies to flee. Sadly with our support dropping out in the 11th hour, and losing an entire days worth of preparation, our counterattack never really got started. Nobody can say for sure how it would go. As for the siege itself. It was definately fun, and a great learning experiance. We went in not really knowing how POS warfare works, and quickly learnt with a bit of trial and error how Sov is calculated, how POS's are setup and how to effectively attack and to defend them. We have walked away with valuable experiance and a lot of battle hardened newbies. We may have lost one war, but we are a long way from being defeated. ___
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.03 10:57:00 - [96] Originally by: grizouh going back to mine some veld in jita now due to all the cspa i had to pay <g> You and me baby. Belt IX - 3 behind that huge veldspar 75k off the entrypoint?
grizouh SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.08.03 11:12:00 - [97] Originally by: Fred0 You and me baby. Belt IX - 3 behind that huge veldspar 75k off the entrypoint? who told you that i wanna have your babies, fred0?
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.03 11:29:00 - [98] Ummm, I thought we were gonna mine
grizouh SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.08.03 11:43:00 - [99] a guy offering a girl some help without any ulterior motives? come on fred0... <g>
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.03 11:51:00 - [100] Originally by: Trac3rt I think D2 will agree that almost every assault, in our off-peak hours, was repelled. No, we won¦t. We will agree to the fact that almost every assault, in your off-peak hours, was repelled by the server. Stop trying to knit yourself the "tale of the military unbeaten defeat" in XZH. I will give you much respect for your courage, your will to fight and your tenacity, but don¦t try to make up a story of glorious battles and victories for GoonSwarm.
Jon Ominor Magellanic Itg GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.03 11:55:00 - [101] Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: Trac3rt I think D2 will agree that almost every assault, in our off-peak hours, was repelled. No, we won¦t. We will agree to the fact that almost every assault, in your off-peak hours, was repelled by the server. Stop trying to knit yourself the "tale of the military unbeaten defeat" in XZH. I will give you much respect for your courage, your will to fight and your tenacity, but don¦t try to make up a story of glorious battles and victories for GoonSwarm. Here's an idea: How about you stop blaming every single failing of D2's on "lag" and "exploits"?
Draven Stone GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.03 12:01:00 - [102] Cheers for the fights folks, it was a damn fun place to be. After spending a few weeks in Outer Ring watching most NORAD kids play station commander it was awesome to have people who regularly engaged, even in some cases when wildly outnumbered. I got to have my first go at FCing as well, which was such a complete and total failure I had to promise everyone there that I will stay as a grunt for the rest of my EVE career. "Haha ok guys this retard in a vexor has engaged me, warp to Draven Stone at 15" "Warp to Draven Stone at 15" "Warp to Draven Stone at 15" "Two more hostiles just showed up at 150k, how many are in warp?" "MORE HOSTILES, FIGHTER SUPPORT. STOP WARPING REPEAT STOP WARPING OH GOD" "SNIPERS 180k OFF WARP ONCE YOU GET HERE GUYS GET THE HELL OUT GET OUT GET OUT" <pew pew> "...ok, x in gang with what you lost please" "x - thorax" "x - harpy" "x - incursus" "x - thorax" "oh god"
Trac3rt GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.03 12:32:00 - [103] Edited by: Trac3rt on 03/08/2006 12:34:09 Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: Trac3rt I think D2 will agree that almost every assault, in our off-peak hours, was repelled. No, we won¦t. We will agree to the fact that almost every assault, in your off-peak hours, was repelled by the server. I don't see the server on any of your Dread lossmails! The fact of the matter is, you attacked our POS on numerous occasions with dread fleets. Almost every time you did this, you were forced to withdraw before our POS was reinforced, usually with dread losses. This is called repelling an assault. You cannot seriously expect to have a fight involving at least 200 people without any lag, and even if you did you would have learnt after the first time what to expect. There is a point where lag is to be expected, and by committing your forces to the fight anyway you lose the right to dispute the kill becauseof lag. ___
Bavarian Punk Minmatar The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.03 12:52:00 - [104] More than ever I am proud to be in D¦ and to have such fantastic friends that helped us with the liberation of Cloud Ring. Feels good to see The Good Guys win once again --- Go buy your stuff at T R U S T Shop
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.03 12:54:00 - [105] Originally by: Bavarian Punk More than ever I am proud to be in D¦ and to have such fantastic friends that helped us with the liberation of Cloud Ring. Feels good to see The Good Guys win once again Watcha mean "The Good Guys" o.O im sorry but thats sooooooooooooo not right i can name atleast 8 Bad Boys in G2! :P BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon
Nahual Gallente Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:01:00 - [106] Edited by: Nahual on 03/08/2006 13:01:34 Originally by: grizouh a guy offering a girl some help without any ulterior motives? come on fred0... <g> he flies a vagabond I think we know his motives Come stay with us POS huggers....b/w gang bonus and fighters we can rule the world Ps. Krystal, G¦ was the D¦/Goons alt alliance made for the purpose of killing the hampsters...the poor underfed hampsters... ----------------------------------------------- FateCorp
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:03:00 - [107] Originally by: Trac3rt To respond to your allegation, we were perfectly capable of holding the station. [...] We lost because D2 bought the system, putting up over 40 large towers, something we were not prepared to financially counter. I hate to break it to you, but that's how station wars work - it's all about who can put up and keep up the most towers. D2 soundly beat you on that front, making it very clear that you weren't capable of holding the station. If you were, you'd still have it, no?
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:08:00 - [108] Originally by: Trac3rt Edited by: Trac3rt on 03/08/2006 12:34:09 Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: Trac3rt I think D2 will agree that almost every assault, in our off-peak hours, was repelled. No, we won¦t. We will agree to the fact that almost every assault, in your off-peak hours, was repelled by the server. I don't see the server on any of your Dread lossmails! The fact of the matter is, you attacked our POS on numerous occasions with dread fleets. Almost every time you did this, you were forced to withdraw before our POS was reinforced, usually with dread losses. This is called repelling an assault. You cannot seriously expect to have a fight involving at least 200 people without any lag, and even if you did you would have learnt after the first time what to expect. There is a point where lag is to be expected, and by committing your forces to the fight anyway you lose the right to dispute the kill becauseof lag. The dread thing is one issue, the fact that you lost every bigger fight in XZH despite the POS assaults, that we killed your 54 bubbelcamp with a few BS and support, getting about 150killmails, loosing 6 of ours. How you dare to say that you achieved anything military? Your moral was broken, your guys were helpless, your retreat was uncoordinated. From Dusk till Dawn Sig removed, e-mail us if you'd like to know why. -ReverendM ([email protected])
Bavarian Punk Minmatar The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:12:00 - [109] Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 03/08/2006 13:13:18 Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Trac3rt To respond to your allegation, we were perfectly capable of holding the station. [...] We lost because D2 bought the system, putting up over 40 large towers, something we were not prepared to financially counter. I hate to break it to you, but that's how station wars work - it's all about who can put up and keep up the most towers. D2 soundly beat you on that front, making it very clear that you weren't capable of holding the station. If you were, you'd still have it, no? True. Although certainly not very entertaining for both sides, building towers and therefore outspending the enemy if you will is a perfectly legitimate part of modern territorial warfare. At the end of the day victory is what counts. Not so much how "beautifully" you achieved it. --- Go buy your stuff at T R U S T Shop
olyyy Gallente V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:15:00 - [110] Originally by: Nafri The dread thing is one issue, the fact that you lost every bigger fight in XZH despite the POS assaults, that we killed your 54 bubbelcamp with a few BS and support, getting about 150killmails, loosing 6 of ours. How you dare to say that you achieved anything military? Your moral was broken, your guys were helpless, your retreat was uncoordinated. Lies! All lies ! You damn forum propagandist ! wait... We're on the same side >.< *People never lie more than before the elections, during a war or after hunting.*
MacDuncan Minmatar Die Apokalyptischen Reiter Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:16:00 - [111] Could we all plz stop here... No need for another flamethread!! --
Nahual Gallente Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:18:00 - [112] Originally by: MacDuncan Could we all plz stop here... No need for another flamethread!! but you...the fireman suit.... ----------------------------------------------- FateCorp
phoenixrock Caldari The Shadow Order	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:23:00 - [113] It was great to watch you guys fight. I have a couple of good FRAPS of Goonies and D2 kicking the crap out of each other while I stayed as far away as I could manage. Good times. Mmmmmmm Pod goo

Abdalion Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:27:00 - [114] Originally by: Nahual Originally by: MacDuncan Could we all plz stop here... No need for another flamethread!! but you...the fireman suit.... They call me the fireman That's my name Makin my rounds all over town Puttin out old flames Well everybody'd like to have what I've got I can cool em down while they're smolderin hot I'm the fireman That's my name Please keep those lyrics in mind, and know we mods are camping these heated threads with our hoses charged and ready. ___

Armois Delgato GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:27:00 - [115] Originally by: Bavarian Punk More than ever I am proud to be in D¦ and to have such fantastic friends that helped us with the liberation of Cloud Ring. Feels good to see The Good Guys win once again Good is simply a matter of perspective. If might makes right then good always prevails. Both sides have their own valorous and self-sacrificing members- both sides fought hard. The stronger won. Good fighting D2, hope to see you guys in space again sometime.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:31:00 - [116] Originally by: Abdalion ...and know we mods are camping these heated threads with our hoses charged and ready. Is that a promise or a threat? Grizouh and Kryztal just wanna know
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:34:00 - [117] I wonder what the MGRL have to say about this. :-D
Kara L'gawr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:44:00 - [118] Edited by: Kara L''gawr on 03/08/2006 13:49:37 Originally by: Nafri The dread thing is one issue, the fact that you lost every bigger fight in XZH despite the POS assaults, that we killed your 54 bubbelcamp with a few BS and support, getting about 150killmails, loosing 6 of ours. How you dare to say that you achieved anything military? Your moral was broken, your guys were helpless, your retreat was uncoordinated. While trying to avoid the obvious bait, I believe there is some merit in considering fleet composition and systematic strugglers when withdrawing a 2000+ member alliance from a region. Valuable lessons were learned through trial and error. All things considered, I'm content with our performance. :) Many thanks to D2 et al for the great fights. You've gave this newbie a few tips on living without a station and how exciting defending a dread assault can be. Hope to see you again soon!

Abdalion Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:44:00 - [119] Originally by: Gariuys I wonder what the MGRL have to say about this. :-D I am going to miss them for sure. I suspect they would have plenty to say, but I admit nothing Anyways, let's stay friendly in here. It is refreshing. ___

Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.03 13:56:00 - [120] Originally by: Jon Ominor Here's an idea: How about you stop blaming every single failing of D2's on "lag" and "exploits"? How about you stop putting words in my mouth. I blame one single failure of D2 on lag, loosing Dreads during POS attacks. Do you want me to claim nberness and spam the forums about how we completely crashed your whole weekend assault on Friday? Oh wait, the servers couldn¦t handle it. But of course thats something totally different, isn¦t it? My point is simple. Stop to adorn yourselfes with borrowed plumes and all you¦ll hear from me is a "good fight" in local.

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