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Lightof God
Caldari
O.R.C. Outrage Compliant
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:19:00 -
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When it comes to pvp situations I become quite cold and after a certan point everything I do becomes calculated. I dont get the shakes or anything but my mind seems to move at abot 5 kms. I try to think of every single possibilty and the reprocussions of my actions ae ie ship win loss can i kump in kill and gt out so his friend does not kill me. The few odd times i smack its normally after i have been playing a rousing game of chace the pod or light frigate (im in the pod or light frigate) in order to frustrate my oponents enought that they keep coming after me long enough for friends to get there.
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Itachi XIII
Caldari
Corsets and Carebears
Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:46:00 -
[32]
I still get the shaky hands and sudden urges to yell things out my window after a fight, but these days that's only after a big engagement or if I'm losing. The effect is amplified if I kill/get killed by somebody I dislike, 1on1 obviously being the worst. But as everybody else has said, that's why eve > all.
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Rose Kolodny
Gallente
Space Invaders
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:52:00 -
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If you feel too inconvenient with a sudden adrenaline rush (that is basicly a huge energy pool you get there, but if you do not deplete it, it'll start depleting on its own by moving muscles and so on) then you should try 10 km jogging before you start to play or similar training.
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Belhorn Battlebeard
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:54:00 -
[34]
I don't get the rush too much anymore but I really wish I did.... prolly because gate camping is teh suXx0r 
1 v 1 does excite me a little still, but I'm that used to getting pwned I know what's coming already, ROFL!! 
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Father Weebles
Lost Dawn Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:55:00 -
[35]
whenever my corps on an op my legs start flailing about 
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Skoobisnax
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:45:00 -
[36]
I get the rush if i'm flying an expensive ship with expensive mods.
If i'm in a standard thorax, it's like (yawn) but if its a cerberus with gistii shields and other expensive ****, I tend to get a bit panicy if it gets hot. Shaking mouse hand is a ***** sometimes, especially if trying to warp out. :p
Dread to think what i'll be like when i get my carrier. lol.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:57:00 -
[37]
 Originally by: Belhorn Battlebeard
I don't get the rush too much anymore but I really wish I did.... prolly because gate camping is teh suXx0r
1 v 1 does excite me a little still, but I'm that used to getting pwned I know what's coming already, ROFL!!
Stop gatecamping, and start hunting the roids in smaller gangs.
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To whoever it concerns: It's not the rush I want to get rid of, it's the impacts it has on my selection of targets.
I do know about how to set my overview.
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The thing is that; I select the wrong targets.
If I have used some of my guns to eg. take out drones of a ship, or fire at a second opponent, and still have drones/second target locked, and then try to lock the pod of a pilot (to scram him, meanwhile fighting a second target), I can't quite think straight - and can activate modules like the scram on the drone/second target, because in the "rush" I fumble a lot.
This frustrates me, because I can reproduce these maneuvers in my sleep, when I train on rats, or whatnot. But as soon as the adrenaline hits, my micromanagement ability goes AWOL.
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Grim Starwind
Blood Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:59:00 -
[38]
Originally by: ian666
3 years playing and I still get it !! can't beat the Rush and heavy breathing, when that stops i'm giving up !!!
lol, are you sure your pvping and not playing with yourself? hehe
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Tecam Hund
Minmatar
The Buggers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 19:04:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
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The thing is that; I select the wrong targets.
If I have used some of my guns to eg. take out drones of a ship, or fire at a second opponent, and still have drones/second target locked, and then try to lock the pod of a pilot (to scram him, meanwhile fighting a second target), I can't quite think straight - and can activate modules like the scram on the drone/second target, because in the "rush" I fumble a lot.
This frustrates me, because I can reproduce these maneuvers in my sleep, when I train on rats, or whatnot. But as soon as the adrenaline hits, my micromanagement ability goes AWOL.
When on adrenalin you do everything your instinct tells you. The decisions you make during the rush come much faster but are limited to things you are most familiar with. Training some manuevers on rats helps, but the multy-target combat like you described you can only learn from actual PvP. Unless of course you have exceptionally powerful mind and can override the rush effect with the plan in your head.
I don't think I would be able to pull something like fighting 2 targets, their drones and catching pods at the same time right now. It takes quite some practice, but you get better every time you try it. What I do is go with the simple plan unless I feel like I can add something extra and not lose control of the situation.
Adrenalin rush pushes you to the limit imo. If you had enough practice it will make you more deadly. But at the same time you have to train your mind to take control if needed. I guess you could say that in the end it comes down to the RL perception and willpower 
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Grim Starwind
Blood Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.04 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
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The thing is that; I select the wrong targets.
If I have used some of my guns to eg. take out drones of a ship, or fire at a second opponent, and still have drones/second target locked, and then try to lock the pod of a pilot (to scram him, meanwhile fighting a second target), I can't quite think straight - and can activate modules like the scram on the drone/second target, because in the "rush" I fumble a lot.
This frustrates me, because I can reproduce these maneuvers in my sleep, when I train on rats, or whatnot. But as soon as the adrenaline hits, my micromanagement ability goes AWOL.
When on adrenalin you do everything your instinct tells you. The decisions you make during the rush come much faster but are limited to things you are most familiar with. Training some manuevers on rats helps, but the multy-target combat like you described you can only learn from actual PvP. Unless of course you have exceptionally powerful mind and can override the rush effect with the plan in your head.
I don't think I would be able to pull something like fighting 2 targets, their drones and catching pods at the same time right now. It takes quite some practice, but you get better every time you try it. What I do is go with the simple plan unless I feel like I can add something extra and not lose control of the situation.
Adrenalin rush pushes you to the limit imo. If you had enough practice it will make you more deadly. But at the same time you have to train your mind to take control if needed. I guess you could say that in the end it comes down to the RL perception and willpower
Wow you have almost made me believe PVP'ing in eve is like a martial art. Train your brian daniel-son then, and only then you will achieve the goal of true PVP perfection.
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slothe
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.04 19:58:00 -
[41]
i find that wrapping myself with a duvet helps.
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Kenz Rider
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Posted - 2006.08.04 21:34:00 -
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I notice it more in gang engagements of uncertain outcome with lots of changing circumstances. A little story:
Was hunting a well known pirate and his friends in a system for about 10 minutes when they engaged us and we killed them. While grabbing the loot, a BS jumps in on us at around 40km. We are all in cruisers and interceptors. I jump out after an inital charge in my Thorax I warped out because I didn't like the odds. The rest my gang members stayed in and died (why I don't know). So now I'm alone in this system, but want to get back at the BS. This was basically part one of the engagement and sets the stage for what happens next.
I warp back to the gate and start rounding up some backup to try and take the BS down. I get two other BS to start heading our way, but only one is fairly close. Some other light support is on the way as well. Some minutes pass and the BS aggressor warps to gate at about 30km. My backup isnt here yet so I start delaying him by just saying hi, and discussing the recent engagement. At this point I start getting a bit shaky. I need him to engage me before my backup gets there so I can scram him, and he can't run for the gate. I start my Thorax charge right as my backup's BS jumps in. At this point I'm still fairly calm because its one BS versus one BS and a ganked out Thorax.
All of the sudden three more hostiles jump in on us in two cruisers (one is a blackbird) and an interceptor. Right about this time I start freaking out and shaking like a leaf. Somehow I notice in my (pseudo)-alliance chat another friendly that just jumped into the system and happened to be calling out targets (actaully he said "crap load of pirates in system"). Somehow managed to gang him up, though I couldn't hardly control my mouse. At the sime time, of course I was typing / yelling at people to get their ass to this system. I suddenly notice I am not firing and think I must have been jammed, so I retargeted and engaged all weaps again. A little before this the person mentioned above warps in from the other side of the system. Somewhere in between me activating my weapons again and more backup arriving I became almost completely useless I had the shakes so bad.
End of the day there BS went down, and the other hostiles warped out as more of our backup arrived. Like I said before I think the adrenaline rushes are most severe when there are lots of unexpected events and changing circumstances in a short time frame.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 21:35:00 -
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I get adrenaline rushs whenever I know thers a chance of me dieing, if the odds are in my favour in not nervous at all. The worst would have to be being outnumbered when fighting solo and when a lead fleets (10+ BS), then I start to get nervous lol, however nervous I am I still get the job done, this is why I play eve
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Hanushi
Caldari
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2006.08.04 21:54:00 -
[44]
Adrenaline makes it a whole lot of fun.
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Mi Lai
Sanguine Legion
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.08.04 21:59:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
To whoever it concerns: It's not the rush I want to get rid of, it's the impacts it has on my selection of targets.
I do know about how to set my overview.
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The thing is that; I select the wrong targets.
If I have used some of my guns to eg. take out drones of a ship, or fire at a second opponent, and still have drones/second target locked, and then try to lock the pod of a pilot (to scram him, meanwhile fighting a second target), I can't quite think straight - and can activate modules like the scram on the drone/second target, because in the "rush" I fumble a lot.
This frustrates me, because I can reproduce these maneuvers in my sleep, when I train on rats, or whatnot. But as soon as the adrenaline hits, my micromanagement ability goes AWOL.
Personally, I think it's still just a matter of experience. I had exactly the same, and sometimes still have (a few weeks ago I locked and scrambled the loot can instead of the pod ) in my first couple of hundred fights. I think everyone who PVP's a lot will get to the point of where he is able to let the rush work in his favor instead of against him.
Sorry for the analogy, but it's like getting into the first rounds of CounterStrike: most people that been out of it for a while will make panic decisions in the first couple of rounds, wildly emptying their magazine on auto fire when an enemy appears. After a few rounds, they get in the routine where they manage to aim, duck, and fire of a few rounds in the head in less time then they would otherwise have needed to emtpy their clip in the air.
I think the only way to get rid of the fumbles under pressure is by fighting a lot, and I think you can speed the process up somewhat by dieing a lot initially.
Personally, whenever I undock to look for trouble, I basically say goodbye to my ship, declaring it officially dead, and usually kit out a back up one. Having been podded without a clone early in my carreer (damn you Caya  ), I tend to check my Clone as well. I know I only have to worry about my opponent and the fight when the time is there, as I killed of my fear before the fight even begun. This is a ritual we picked up when Sanguine was a corp with people only a couple of days old, and we intend to preserve that. People shaking from excitement is a benefit. People shaking for fear of loss stinks.
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Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.04 22:33:00 -
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Once you become more experienced in PvP the rush is replaced by a cool excited calmness.
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Hanushi
Caldari
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2006.08.04 22:44:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Mi Lai
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
To whoever it concerns: It's not the rush I want to get rid of, it's the impacts it has on my selection of targets.
I do know about how to set my overview.
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The thing is that; I select the wrong targets.
If I have used some of my guns to eg. take out drones of a ship, or fire at a second opponent, and still have drones/second target locked, and then try to lock the pod of a pilot (to scram him, meanwhile fighting a second target), I can't quite think straight - and can activate modules like the scram on the drone/second target, because in the "rush" I fumble a lot.
This frustrates me, because I can reproduce these maneuvers in my sleep, when I train on rats, or whatnot. But as soon as the adrenaline hits, my micromanagement ability goes AWOL.
Personally, I think it's still just a matter of experience. I had exactly the same, and sometimes still have (a few weeks ago I locked and scrambled the loot can instead of the pod ) in my first couple of hundred fights. I think everyone who PVP's a lot will get to the point of where he is able to let the rush work in his favor instead of against him.
Sorry for the analogy, but it's like getting into the first rounds of CounterStrike: most people that been out of it for a while will make panic decisions in the first couple of rounds, wildly emptying their magazine on auto fire when an enemy appears. After a few rounds, they get in the routine where they manage to aim, duck, and fire of a few rounds in the head in less time then they would otherwise have needed to emtpy their clip in the air.
I think the only way to get rid of the fumbles under pressure is by fighting a lot, and I think you can speed the process up somewhat by dieing a lot initially.
Personally, whenever I undock to look for trouble, I basically say goodbye to my ship, declaring it officially dead, and usually kit out a back up one. Having been podded without a clone early in my carreer (damn you Caya ), I tend to check my Clone as well. I know I only have to worry about my opponent and the fight when the time is there, as I killed of my fear before the fight even begun. This is a ritual we picked up when Sanguine was a corp with people only a couple of days old, and we intend to preserve that. People shaking from excitement is a benefit. People shaking for fear of loss stinks.
Yeh in all games, unless its very slow paced there is adrenaline, you will get used to it and the Adrenaline will decrease. I am still new to EvE so i still have the adrenaline but i noticed even more experienced PvPers still get a rush when the odds are against them.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.04 23:01:00 -
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No adrenaline when you have ISKs to waste.
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Mi Lai
Sanguine Legion
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.08.05 01:31:00 -
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Quote:
Yeh in all games, unless its very slow paced there is adrenaline, you will get used to it and the Adrenaline will decrease. I am still new to EvE so i still have the adrenaline but i noticed even more experienced PvPers still get a rush when the odds are against them.
Adrenaline is good, it's just about how you're using it  .
Offcourse, if there is more at stake, the rush is higher, but when you can control it when flying a Punisher, you can also control it when flying a Machariel (SP?).
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Podruski
ORDER OF THE WOMBLES
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Posted - 2006.08.05 01:48:00 -
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Tequila, nuff said.
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Constantinee
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.08.05 02:25:00 -
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To be honest when i know im about to fight i throw on some rock music and go for it. it usually calms me down while my heart beats fast as hell. I may be a rather experienced pvper but i still get those each and everytime i go into battle on tq. Going into a fleet battle i egt it the most though :P
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Hellraiza666
Regeneration
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.05 13:40:00 -
[52]
i get adrenaline rushes when im solo and outnumbered or if im in a very close fight and theres a chance i may die.
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quellious
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.05 16:27:00 -
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A few trick i use:
- Breathe. Just before and after fight, take a big one to calm down a bit.
- Train your 'getting killed' skill. Buys like 5 or 10 frigs, and prepare some isk for clones. Go and find any doable target ... and do it untill you are able to handle the adrenaline. Use expansive ships only after.
- Use simple fitting. I mean, for first PvP use only passive low slots, and if possible ensure that you'll never miss capacitor when activating all modules. Place all item in one line. Like for a tackler : mwd (double press F1), scramble (F2), Gun, gun gun (F3 F4 F5). You'll just have to get at distance, and press F1 .... like all players write it repetivly.
- After a good fight, take some time to walk a bit, to let the calm coming back.
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Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.08.05 17:45:00 -
[54]
Ill nvr forget the adrenaline i got at my first pvp experiance , i thought i was gonna die my hart pounding in my throat my hands shaking like mad , i was like wtf it lasted like 10 mins , since then im addicted to pvp looking to get that rush again , i still get a rush sometmes but not as good as that day .
Its like a drug and everytime , you need to do crazier **** to get the rush
Its why i play eve for sure
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Rumorsky
Gallente
Lost Dawn Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.05 18:11:00 -
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It's hard to stop it really, I mean.. First time in pvp on Eve, i was screaming Irl.. at my computer ^.~ It was bad. I stop screaming after awhile,But i still get the shakes, You just have to clam yourself down some. So you can think clearly.
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Dred 'Morte
Minmatar
Sammael's Legion
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Posted - 2006.08.05 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 05/08/2006 18:56:16
Originally by: Ange1
You adapt to it to a point, but the rush you get will still make you feel shaky and maybe a little disorientated. You'll easily forget something you're supposed to do in combat that your rational, logical side will remind you about after the fight.
For me, the "worst" part is the anticipation of combat, when you commit yourself to the attack, feels like my heart will burst out of my chest
After 20 minuts tanking some gankers and finally loosing my ship, I realised I had never been stasis webified and could have just used afterburner to gate and in less than a minute jump. Lost everything I had in that gank. 
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Mrmuttley
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.05 19:00:00 -
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Its why we do it. It the gaming equivalent of riding the rollercoaster at Disneyworld. Even though I can afford to lose stuff the rush is still there. Not as strong as my first proper PvP engagements ( damn near needed some clean shorts) but its still enough that I have to concentrate hard to keep a cool head lest I make mistakes when the excreta contacts the cooling device. If the rush wears off completely then your not doing crazy enough stuff 
Remember the 7 Ps to help avoid mistakes under pressure. Proper Planning and Preperation Prevents **** Poor Performance.
Check your ammo, Check your Ventrillo works properly ( I lost comms once right after making a big mistake and getting seperated from the gang once "Err guys help me out here.. Guys can your here me? ... GUYS!!!!"  ) Check your overview settings. Try and remember what you did wrong last time (theres usually a couple of things at least ) and think of ways to avoid it. Check and Test, Check and Test.
And most importantly when you win remember to do a lap of honour round your flat
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I am Dyslexic of Borg.
Your ass will be laminated.
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Eve is not supposed to be fair
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Aversin
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.06 03:41:00 -
[58]
An Aunenen Story
^^ wrote that when I started pvp. Don't worry it goes away, now I just get a mild-strong satisfaction from pvp, no more shaking or anything. In time it'll be that way for you too.
Originally by: Razner Cerizo
They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.06 04:35:00 -
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The only thing that 2 1/2 years experiance has done for me, is the hand shaking comes after the fight.
Today, I even amaze myself at how calm I can be in the most dire of circumstances. Out numbered, out gunned, you name it, I never miss a beat, or make a mistake.
Its after, when its all done that the rush comes. And I'm glad it come, because if it stops, so does my subscription.
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Kadreal
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Posted - 2006.08.06 07:06:00 -
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I guess it happens because there is so much unexpected that can happen in PvP. Will he suddenly have buddies uncloak next to me? Will his corp mass warp in? Will he have a tank I can't break? Will he have a setup I didn't expect? All the unknowens makes the adrenaline flow.
If it's a real problem just take deep breathes. It gets abit less intense after about 10 fights.
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