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Flaming sambuka
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2006.08.04 20:04:00 -
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I know torp ravens should be approached with caution as with any bs but if you know a raven is packing cruises then how do you deal with them? Do they do as much damage to bs's as torps?
say im in a blasterthron/tempest and know my target is a cruise raven, do i just approach as usual n blow him to shreds...
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HappyKitten
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.04 20:17:00 -
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You shouldhit a cruise raven for six. Remember he will most likely have nos though.
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Akhual
Catalyst Reaction
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.04 20:59:00 -
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That really depends if the raven pilot has any skill or not...
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Dekiri
Useless Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.05 08:20:00 -
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If you have to close the gap with your mega and can't jump on top of him in blasterrange then i suggest forgeting it.
Technically it should be a matter of skills wether you win this or not, the most important thing would be that you make sure you are in range before he can fire his first shot.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.08.05 10:32:00 -
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Cruises do no damage compared to torps vs bs... go in and fry him but dont let him pound you to long just because whimpy damage, it will not stop coming :)
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Jimmy Doe
Caldari
Bladerunners
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.08.05 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jimmy Doe on 05/08/2006 11:18:49
i wouldnt call a cruise raven weak by anymeans. if you jump me and mwd up to me to get inside range then both nos latch you, and then 6 cruise landi usually have no issues with 1-2 em and then massive explosive or thermal dmg coming your way. if the pilot has his/her head on straight, has decent skills, and doesnt panic, then you might just have an issue. and an armor tanked ecm raven will do alot worse to you, cause he can equip enough ecm to keep you jammed well within your blaster range, and nos you, and if you do get a few hits in so waht, he is armor tanked enough to repp it while youre jammed and scrammed and whining about getting killed.
main difference is, with t1 cruise a good raven pilot can hit you from 1-170km or so, torps not so far they are really close range missiles cause they just move too damn slow. and i still dont believe that t2 missiles are worth the nerf you take to cap or speed, i mean your in a raven using missiles, your gimped anyhow why make it worse?
You look at me and you laugh at the noob, you look at your wallet and see that insurance the SCC just paid |
Nagissa Kaworu
Tachyon Combined Technologies
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.05 12:38:00 -
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If you are in a blasterthron and the raven is packing cruise missiles you will shred him to pieces, unless you start of at some insane distance. But if you start at 15km or even 20km (using Null) you will rip the raven apart.
Nag
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.05 16:44:00 -
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What about a raven with furys loaded?
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HippoKing
Caldari
The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2006.08.05 16:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Hellspawn01
What about a raven with furys loaded?
Still unlikely to win, unless it manages to survive long enough on a cap booster.
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WildAmishRose
Caldari
Vale Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.05 23:30:00 -
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At under 20km, there is a pretty good chance you'll stuff the cruise raven. At over 30km, you're probobly going to want to bail, over 30km gives the cruise raven, depending on skills and fitting, enough time to take a mega down. If you're watching a cruise raven fight, it's pretty easy to see what it's gonna be like, if it looks like a roman candle on speed, leave it alone.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.06 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka
I know torp ravens should be approached with caution as with any bs but if you know a raven is packing cruises then how do you deal with them? Do they do as much damage to bs's as torps?
say im in a blasterthron/tempest and know my target is a cruise raven, do i just approach as usual n blow him to shreds...
Look at the base dmg of cruise compared to torps.
Do you THINK he's going to be doing the same damage?
IMO, unless they're packing rage cruise, and you're sitting still, or going very slow, they're going to be doing a good bit less dmg.
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Jimmy Doe
Caldari
Bladerunners
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.08.06 11:11:00 -
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any half decent raven pilot with some experience and decent skills knows that his prime range is around the 40-50km mark. at which point that experienced pilot will look like a roman candle on speed.
as far as comparisons though, the op should have stated originally whether the raven and thron were t2 fitted or not. a t2 blasterthron vs a t2 raven has a damn good chance of getting dead. a t1 thron vs a t1 raven will shred the raven, a t2 raven vs a t1 thron will shred the thron. so if you want a decent comparison, establish what is what.
its also going to be partially luck, i got caught at a gate in low sec by a blasterthron and 2 af's going to do a guristas mission, i had 2 t2 kinetics, 1 t2 thermal, and 1 t2 invul field on and i went through the thron like he wasnt even there, the AF's were however doing more dmg than he was ( being the they were wolves) but i still made it back to the gate and out of system after the thron had warped away and yes i was using t1 cruise.
You look at me and you laugh at the noob, you look at your wallet and see that insurance the SCC just paid |
dan santhums
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Posted - 2006.08.06 12:24:00 -
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If he has cruise in the highs, he should be packing a pretty mean tank.
It may take some time to kill him , Just bear in mind if were talking 1v1 you have no way of stopping his damage. until he is dead (barring ecm)
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.06 15:26:00 -
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Cruise ravens are generally quite easy to kill. Though if they are packing ECM that can be a little annoying.
In my opinion they are the worst PvP battleship there is. But they are just great at PvE.
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In'Nala
Equilibrium LLC
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.08.07 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Cruise ravens are generally quite easy to kill. Though if they are packing ECM that can be a little annoying.
In my opinion they are the worst PvP battleship there is. But they are just great at PvE.
I totally disagree. I think you've been fighting against too many Burn Eden-style cruise ravens. Ravens fit for combat, not running, are juggernauts of point defense when cruise fit while still retaining fair to good damage against battleships. The only other BS that comes close to this versitility is the dominix, and the domi is not capable of engaging at a wide variety of ranges like the raven, nor can it engage a large number of targets as well as the raven.
In'Nala
UCC Executive Officer |
Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2006.08.07 08:11:00 -
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2006.08.06 00:20
Victim:
Alliance: None
Corp: Deep Core Mining Inc.
Destroyed: Raven
System: Rorsins
Security: 0.1
Involved parties:
Name: Jason Marshall (laid the final blow)
Security: 3.0
Alliance: None
Corp: Hammer Of Light
Ship: Ishkur
Weapon: Light Ion Blaster II
They are not effective againts Ishkurs 
And im damn proud of this kill since it was my first soloed BS kill.
Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw! |
Dryxonedes Sae
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.08.07 18:25:00 -
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May be a little pre-emptive without seeing more info, but to take down a raven solo with an ishkur... I think you got kinda lucky, even a tanked raven across all 4 types will tank you till the sun goes down, and if he were toting cruises, they won't do a lot, but can say from personal experience they still do more than enough to wipe most assault frigs.
My guess is very low skilled pilot for that one.
As far as the OP goes, for my money it'd all depend on your initial range, you've got a little more room than with torps (since torps come in "approximately" 150% of cruise dps - cbf doing the exacts....), but will also have a little more tank + nos to roll over. I'd say hit it the same way, results will come the same. If anything a cruise bearer will leave you more room for escape since the inbound dps isn't going to be as harsh if it gets pear shaped.
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Where's the problem? It's called natural selection - The bottom of the ****ing food chain. -Denis Leary |
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.07 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Marshall
2006.08.06 00:20
Victim:
Alliance: None
Corp: Deep Core Mining Inc.
Destroyed: Raven
System: Rorsins
Security: 0.1
Involved parties:
Name: Jason Marshall (laid the final blow)
Security: 3.0
Alliance: None
Corp: Hammer Of Light
Ship: Ishkur
Weapon: Light Ion Blaster II
They are not effective againts Ishkurs
And im damn proud of this kill since it was my first soloed BS kill.
You killed a raven in a noobcorp, wow.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.07 20:17:00 -
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The only thing to really worry about with a cruise raven is what exactly it used all the spare grid/cpu for .. there are some pretty nasty things I could think of doing with it.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.07 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Jason Marshall
2006.08.06 00:20
Victim:
Alliance: None
Corp: Deep Core Mining Inc.
Destroyed: Raven
System: Rorsins
Security: 0.1
Involved parties:
Name: Jason Marshall (laid the final blow)
Security: 3.0
Alliance: None
Corp: Hammer Of Light
Ship: Ishkur
Weapon: Light Ion Blaster II
They are not effective againts Ishkurs
And im damn proud of this kill since it was my first soloed BS kill.
You killed a raven in a noobcorp, wow.
Can you finally use Shield Hardeners Tobias?
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.08.07 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
The only thing to really worry about with a cruise raven is what exactly it used all the spare grid/cpu for .. there are some pretty nasty things I could think of doing with it.
What Avon said
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.07 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Can you finally use Shield Hardeners Tobias?
That, I could after a week since character creation.
It is not a hard skill to train for, I shall enlighten you, as you seem to be under the belief that it requires a great deal of time; it requires:
Engineering IV
and
Tactical Shield Manipulation I
If you seek more education, I can help.
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Jimmy Doe
Caldari
Bladerunners
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.08.08 11:40:00 -
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where is this intel on an ishkur killing a raven solo? it wasnt in the thread, its not what the thread is about and if an ishkur attacked me solo and i truly hope one is that damn stupid, i will let him actually try for a while letting my recharge rate tank for me, then after he gets tired of doing absolutely nothing to me, i will latch 2 E500 heavy nos on then launch the t2 light drones then if i feel like it, pummel him with cruise missiles till he rolls over and cries.
You look at me and you laugh at the noob, but look at your wallet and see that insurance the SCC just paid you for your loss |
Nirat
Fear.
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Posted - 2006.08.08 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: dan santhums
If he has cruise in the highs, he should be packing a pretty mean tank.
It may take some time to kill him , Just bear in mind if were talking 1v1 you have no way of stopping his damage. until he is dead (barring ecm)
I can tank just as well with torps as with cruise.. only difference will be the nos on my cruise setup.. oh and about the ecm.. FoF missiles ftw 
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.09 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy Doe
where is this intel on an ishkur killing a raven solo? it wasnt in the thread, its not what the thread is about and if an ishkur attacked me solo and i truly hope one is that damn stupid, i will let him actually try for a while letting my recharge rate tank for me, then after he gets tired of doing absolutely nothing to me, i will latch 2 E500 heavy nos on then launch the t2 light drones then if i feel like it, pummel him with cruise missiles till he rolls over and cries.
what are you going to do vs nosferatu ishkur with your useless large nos's? your only defense is your drones.
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valerydarcy
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.09 20:14:00 -
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i fly a cruise raven. and i pwn. end of story. 
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Areconus
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Posted - 2006.08.27 00:27:00 -
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Uhh...say u were in a mega..mwding to the raven..and u discovered the raven had an mwd too?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.27 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nahia Senne
Originally by: Jimmy Doe
where is this intel on an ishkur killing a raven solo? it wasnt in the thread, its not what the thread is about and if an ishkur attacked me solo and i truly hope one is that damn stupid, i will let him actually try for a while letting my recharge rate tank for me, then after he gets tired of doing absolutely nothing to me, i will latch 2 E500 heavy nos on then launch the t2 light drones then if i feel like it, pummel him with cruise missiles till he rolls over and cries.
what are you going to do vs nosferatu ishkur with your useless large nos's? your only defense is your drones.
You do know what 2 large NOS will do to an Ishkur's cap right?
YOu can have 8 NOS on an ishkur, your cap is still going to be dry with 2 large nos on you.
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GO MaZ
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.27 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
You do know what 2 large NOS will do to an Ishkur's cap right?
YOu can have 8 NOS on an ishkur, your cap is still going to be dry with 2 large nos on you.
You do realise a dual small nos ishkur will gain enough cap back between your large nos cycle time to run its rep and scramblers right?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.27 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
You do know what 2 large NOS will do to an Ishkur's cap right?
YOu can have 8 NOS on an ishkur, your cap is still going to be dry with 2 large nos on you.
You do realise a dual small nos ishkur will gain enough cap back between your large nos cycle time to run its rep and scramblers right?
Goodluck running those NOS. AFs aren't exactly HARD to jam with a multispec.
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