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Antodias The Scope	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:44:00 - [121] I really don't get all the people say Electrons > Neutrons. I've used both quite a bit, and honestly, the electron dual rep setup just can't keep up with the damage the neutrons give out. The only way to tank them is to have excellent resists a la faction gear (which is why Farjung did so well). ------------------------------------ It's great being a Dev, isn't it?
Slyton Silur Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.02 19:15:00 - [122] So what dose people think is the best of the blaster weapons these days? Ions, Neutron or Electron?
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.02 20:03:00 - [123] Originally by: Slyton Silur So what dose people think is the best of the blaster weapons these days? Ions, Neutron or Electron? Depends on the ship type and whether ur solo or in a group. Overall i'd say Neutrons are the most fun to use. DE
Slyton Silur Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:03:00 - [124] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Slyton Silur So what dose people think is the best of the blaster weapons these days? Ions, Neutron or Electron? Depends on the ship type and whether ur solo or in a group. Overall i'd say Neutrons are the most fun to use. DE Whats the biggest difference between these 3 hybrids?
Ozzie Asrail Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.02 21:58:00 - [125] Basically. DMG Neuts > Ions > Elect Range Neuts > Ions > Elect Tracking Elect > Ions > Neuts Cap Elect > Ions > Neuts -----
Antodias	Posted - 2007.07.02 22:00:00 - [126] Originally by: Slyton Silur Whats the biggest difference between these 3 hybrids? Obviously damage wise and range it's: Electrons < Ions < Neutrons. But it's the opposite way for tracking and what not. Generally people use a plated Neutron for gangs, and a more versatile repping ion setup for solo. Neutrons are very fun though, they rip through many things sometimes before they even get past your shields. ------------------------------------ It's great being a Dev, isn't it?
kottin Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.21 19:02:00 - [127] wtf.. o.0 does noone tank their blasterboat anymore? 7x modal ions(less cap use) mwd 90% web 24km scram heavy t2 cap booster 2 large t2 or accom reps kin exp therm t2 hardner dcu t2 mag stab t2 Huzzah Armed Forces Semper Fi
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.23 11:46:00 - [128] 7xIon II 1xMWD 1xWeb 1xScram 1xHeavy elec. cap booster 2x'accom' LAR 3xActive N-type hardeners or faction - kin, therm and exp 1x DC II 1x Magstab II A nice all round set up pretty nice damage decentish tank.
Vintorez Kosakami Caldari Deviance Cartel	Posted - 2007.07.24 12:29:00 - [129] heres 2 setups, what do you think? Solo pvp: 7 x Electrons II 1 x named warp disruptor 1 x named webber 1 x heavy cap booster 1 x 100mn mwd 2 x LAR II 3 x active hardeners II (kin, therm, exp) 1 x EANM II 1 x CPR II reason for the cap power relay is becausee i dont have enough cpu for DCU II, MFS II or another EANM II. ive played around with the setup to allow the MFS using named instead of T2 and im 1.4 cpu short Gang PVP: 7 x Electrons II 2 x named webbers 1 x heavy cap booster 1 x 100mn mwd 1 x LAR II 1 x Accom LAR (cpu problems) 3 x active hardeners II (kin, therm, exp) 1 x EANM II 1 x MFS II obviously some1 else is doing the warp jamming, so this allows more webbage and some more damage.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.07.24 12:56:00 - [130] Originally by: Vintorez Kosakami heres 2 setups, what do you think? Solo pvp: 7 x Electrons II 1 x named warp disruptor 1 x named webber 1 x heavy cap booster 1 x 100mn mwd 2 x LAR II 3 x active hardeners II (kin, therm, exp) 1 x EANM II 1 x CPR II reason for the cap power relay is becausee i dont have enough cpu for DCU II, MFS II or another EANM II. ive played around with the setup to allow the MFS using named instead of T2 and im 1.4 cpu short Gang PVP: 7 x Electrons II 2 x named webbers 1 x heavy cap booster 1 x 100mn mwd 1 x LAR II 1 x Accom LAR (cpu problems) 3 x active hardeners II (kin, therm, exp) 1 x EANM II 1 x MFS II obviously some1 else is doing the warp jamming, so this allows more webbage and some more damage. Nice, just have no chance against my Rokh :(
Emsee S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:08:00 - [131] Edited by: Emsee on 24/07/2007 13:12:36 Originally by: Chr0nosX 7xIon II 1xMWD 1xWeb 1xScram 1xHeavy elec. cap booster 2x'accom' LAR 3xActive N-type hardeners or faction - kin, therm and exp 1x DC II 1x Magstab II A nice all round set up pretty nice damage decentish tank. I think you can fit a medium diminishing nos if you change the DC II to best named. Though rep Megathrons are pretty much obsolete with tier 3 BS.
Aegur	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:20:00 - [132] I've fitted the neut mega for gangs but I'd like something to solo with. How about: 7x Electron II Quad Lif MWD X5 Web Scram II Electrochem Cap Booster 2x LAR II 2x EANM II 1x DC II 2x MFS II
nakKEDK Gallente North Face Force	Posted - 2007.07.26 21:11:00 - [133] Originally by: Damned Force obviously some1 else is doing the warp jamming, so this allows more webbage and some more damage. Nice, just have no chance against my Rokh :( 1600 plates and trimark rigs :D thats why people should use neutrons 1600 plates and trimark rigs :D dont bother arguing with me, cause im allways right. Well at least sometimes.
Saya khio	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:25:00 - [134] the problem ur rokh is much to slow to be a good blasterboat :P atm i don`t know good blasterthron setups i got massive CPU problemms for good fitting :(
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:32:00 - [135] cpu implants and best named/2nd best named stuff.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:36:00 - [136] Edited by: DarkElf on 01/08/2007 14:36:14 Changed my gank setup now and got rid of the rep. Big Cajones setup 7 Neutron II's with caldari navy AM loaded quad lif mwd, med injector, disruptor, web 4 1600 RT plates, 3 mag stab II's 5 Ogre II's 3 trimark hp rigs 69k amor hp. obviously much more in gang and lollercoaster dps DE
Saya khio	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:12:00 - [137] Edited by: Saya khio on 01/08/2007 17:13:40 Originally by: Royaldo cpu implants and best named/2nd best named stuff. i can fitt now t2 blastern thats why i got so many probs with the fitting :( named mega is easy to fitt but crappy :P edit btw darkwlf what is ur max speed with that ?
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:23:00 - [138] Originally by: DarkElf Edited by: DarkElf on 01/08/2007 14:36:14 Changed my gank setup now and got rid of the rep. Big Cajones setup 7 Neutron II's with caldari navy AM loaded quad lif mwd, med injector, disruptor, web 4 1600 RT plates, 3 mag stab II's 5 Ogre II's 3 trimark hp rigs 69k amor hp. obviously much more in gang and lollercoaster dps DE Tbh, that setup is way too slow. You are lucky to reach 500m/s after one run of the mwd. No DCU and no resist mod give you far less effective HP and make you deadslow with the plates. I would say: same high + medium nos same med, but maybe drop the disrupter for a sensorbooster. You mostly wont tackle anything or it allready has 5 points on it... now EW thats very likely to hit you and faster locking = nice. low: 3* 1600mm rolled thungsten 1* DCU 2 1* EANM 2 2* MFS 2 3* Trimark rig 5* beserker 2, so you deal other DPS than Kin/Therm and beserker are faster, good for catching cruisers. LG slave set. Gives around 50 K armor with 50-60% ish resist. Moves a hell lot faster than your setup and can resist far more dps. Gives out a bit less, but because you get in range faster it turns out to be kinda the same DPS. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Lore Isander Caldari Paisti	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:35:00 - [139] 2x 1600mm 2x EANM II 1x DCU II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3x 1600mm 1x EANM II 1x DCU II More "effective" hitpoints.
Zubakis Bambooule TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:56:00 - [140] Originally by: Lore Isander 2x 1600mm 2x EANM II 1x DCU II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3x 1600mm 1x EANM II 1x DCU II More "effective" hitpoints. Not really, i tried both setups in EFT with max skills and a slave set. The diferrence was like 200 effective hitpoints for the plate setup. I would go for the resistence setup, cause you have lower mass and if you get remote repaired, the repairs would work more effective. -- Zuba
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:57:00 - [141] Originally by: Lore Isander 2x 1600mm 2x EANM II 1x DCU II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3x 1600mm 1x EANM II 1x DCU II More "effective" hitpoints. what about with just 4 slots for hitpoints and does that include with implants and rigs? haven't run the figures but i'd guess a plate with FG slaves and 3 hp rigs gives more 'effective hp' as u say than say a second eanm or dmg crtrl in some cases DE
Zubakis Bambooule TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:12:00 - [142] Edited by: Zubakis on 01/08/2007 18:13:06 Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Lore Isander 2x 1600mm 2x EANM II 1x DCU II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3x 1600mm 1x EANM II 1x DCU II More "effective" hitpoints. what about with just 4 slots for hitpoints and does that include with implants and rigs? haven't run the figures but i'd guess a plate with FG slaves and 3 hp rigs gives more 'effective hp' as u say than say a second eanm or dmg crtrl in some cases DE With 4 slots, you will achieve the best effect with 2x1600rt, 1xEANM2, 1xDC2. Edit: 3xtrimark and FG slave set included -- Zuba
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.08.04 18:59:00 - [143] 7x Electron II 1x 100mn MWD 1x Heavy Cap injector 1x j5 warp disruptor 1x fleeting web 1x LAR II 1x Shadow LAR 1x Ex Hardner II 1x Kin Hardner II 1x Therm Hardner II 1x EANM II 1x DCU II Damage is ****, repair is good. Fallen Angel's Recruitment
Col FireBreath	Posted - 2007.09.05 10:52:00 - [144] Struggling to fit Ion Megathron without faction gear, this is the best I can come up with thats reasonably priced. Highs: 7x Ion Blaster Cannon IIs w/Void Mids: Quad LiF MWD Heavy Electro Cap Booster w/800s X5 Web Fleeting Scram Lows: 2x LAR II Damage Control II MFS II Type-E Power Core Modification RCU (+5% PG) 2x SS EANM (same resists as T2 but for less CPU) Rigs: 2x Armour Rep Amount 1x Armour Rep Time Implants: -3% Turret CPU Implant (Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KZA1000) Drones: 5x Ogre IIs With WU5 and AWU4 it fits with 3.12 CPU left. I get around 780dps with reasonable skills and Gallente BS 4. Add +3% Tracking and +3% Large Hybrid damage implants pushes DPS to just over 800.
Great Artista Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.05 11:57:00 - [145] Originally by: Col FireBreath I get around 780dps with reasonable skills and Gallente BS 4. Add +3% Tracking and +3% Large Hybrid damage implants pushes DPS to just over 800. Nice skills, I get 788 with T1 ogres and modal ions. 7x Modal Ions (Navy antimatter) MWD Web Scram Injector 2x LARII 2x EANM 2x Magstab DCU II Rigs: 2x rep amount 1x anti explo _______ ◕◡◕ Space perverts and forum warriors united. [PERVS] My opinions rather rarely represent my corp, not to mention my alliance hihihi...
IgnorantBliss Gallente Friendly Hostility	Posted - 2007.09.27 05:05:00 - [146] Originally by: Col FireBreath Implants: -3% Turret CPU Implant (Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KZA1000) Drones: 5x Ogre IIs With WU5 and AWU4 it fits with 3.12 CPU left. I get around 780dps with reasonable skills and Gallente BS 4. Add +3% Tracking and +3% Large Hybrid damage implants pushes DPS to just over 800. It's not possible to have both the CPU Decrease implant and the Large Hybrid Damage implant. The Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KZA1000, which is the 3% CPU decrease for turrets, goes in slot 10. The Large Hybrid Damage implant (1%, 3%, and 5%)is also slot 10. You can do the ALL turret damage implant, which takes slot 9, in conjuction with the CPU decrease, but you can't do the large hybrid damage along with the turret CPU decrease. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
hoh k	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:07:00 - [147] bait tank setup: 7x modal mega ions 1x heavy electrochem w/ 800s 1x web (whatever) 1x quad-lif MWD 1x 24k point or sensor booster II or ECCM (sitiuational) 3x 1600 RT plates 1x dark blood reactive ANM 1x LAR II 1x DCUII 1x tracking enhancerII or mag stab II 1x anti-explosive pump 1x anti-therm pump 1x anti-kintic pump 26k armor in gang with 66/63/63/70 resists. (so much for spamming explosive missiles at an armor tank) It's really slow (800m/s, and about 2 cycles to get there), and the damage is so-so, but it's good bait.
kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.05 02:45:00 - [148] Ive patiently read though this entire thread. Alot of people i know are good pilots saying a very split opinion on the whole Active Vs Plate tank. Ive been told till people are blue in the face to go for a plate setup, but i hate it, i love to active tank, also its more of a low sec thing, dont want to have to wait till deaggro and rep 50k of armour every time i wana sentry tank tbh. I can strike a balance with 1x LAR and a couple plates. I like the idea of CCC rigs, dislike using 800's for holding on the gates while im scanning... Il say this though, The Tempest, Abaddon, new Geddon and Raven are very easy to fit for me, Megathron really is tight - tho tbh its the only ship id use a MWD on for obvious reasons. Found myself using Faction Adaptive plate to fill the final low. Ive just spec'ed out in the mega, there wasnt much else turret wise for me not too; Full level 5 skills in all but spec 5, what do you think is the way forth on this ship in my situation as a low sec pvp'er? -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Rudy Metallo Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.05 04:07:00 - [149] Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 05/10/2007 04:09:36 7x Neutron Blaster Cannon II (Void) 1x Heavy Electrochem Booster (4x 800) 1x J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor 1x X5 Web 1x Quad LiF MWD 2x 1600mm RT 3x MFS II 1x EANM II 1x Pseudoelectron Containment Field Rigs: 2x Trimark I 1x Anti-Explosive Pump I Drones: 4x Berserker I (II if you can, of course) 5x Warrior II Armor: 24k+ Resists: 72% 56% 56% 56% Can be used for solo or gang. If you want a bit more tank you can take out an MFS and stick in another EANM (wich turns all the resists to 60+), but the difference is nominal (in my view) at best. No implants or faction required to fit, just decent skills. Say what?
goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.05 06:05:00 - [150] Originally by: kessah Ive patiently read though this entire thread. Alot of people i know are good pilots saying a very split opinion on the whole Active Vs Plate tank. Ive been told till people are blue in the face to go for a plate setup, but i hate it, i love to active tank, also its more of a low sec thing, dont want to have to wait till deaggro and rep 50k of armour every time i wana sentry tank tbh. I can strike a balance with 1x LAR and a couple plates. I like the idea of CCC rigs, dislike using 800's for holding on the gates while im scanning... Il say this though, The Tempest, Abaddon, new Geddon and Raven are very easy to fit for me, Megathron really is tight - tho tbh its the only ship id use a MWD on for obvious reasons. Found myself using Faction Adaptive plate to fill the final low. Ive just spec'ed out in the mega, there wasnt much else turret wise for me not too; Full level 5 skills in all but spec 5, what do you think is the way forth on this ship in my situation as a low sec pvp'er? Plated megas are made for low-sec,near low sec or near friendly stations,active is ment for going out solo into the great unknown for a long period of time(given you have a hauler alt hauling cap boosters for ya) __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.

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