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Double TaP The Establishment	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:25:00 - [31] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 06/08/2006 19:01:51 Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: LUKEC Absolution: 150% damage of Zealot (and no range bonus - so you stick beams and have same dmg as zealot with pulses) Astarte: 140% damage of Deimos (and you need to fit rails coz with blasters is just crappy version of blasterthron) Sleipnir: 140% damage of Vagabond (huh big vagabond = slow vagabond = not really all that cool, still probably one of the best CS in my opinion) Nighthawk: 90% damage of Cerberus (and 200% better damage to small stuff - like perfect role) what? this thread is about the cerb. btw the cerb can kill frigates better than the nighthawk with its 2 frig killing bonuses can. and the slep isnt a big vagabond. and the astarte owns hard with blasters. and i dont know much about the absolution really other than ive seen it it do some niiiice dps. Astarte owns with blasters what exactly? um, anything cruiser sized and up? depends on the battleship and the pilot but it could win 1vs1 in some battleship situations. it does more dps than the other FCS's as well.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:43:00 - [32] Well i solo'd a raven the other day in my NH. And could hold up pretty well to my mates navy raven. Im sure the astarte is better than the NH:P
Double TaP The Establishment	Posted - 2006.08.07 02:59:00 - [33] if you brought down a raven in your nighthawk than that raven wasnt properly fitted.
Captain Jew	Posted - 2006.08.07 05:06:00 - [34] what if you replaced the missile duration bonus with another missile velocity bonus? Same range, only far more effective. Cause you could get missiles that go 13km/s.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:30:00 - [35] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 06/08/2006 19:01:51 Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: LUKEC Absolution: 150% damage of Zealot (and no range bonus - so you stick beams and have same dmg as zealot with pulses) Astarte: 140% damage of Deimos (and you need to fit rails coz with blasters is just crappy version of blasterthron) Sleipnir: 140% damage of Vagabond (huh big vagabond = slow vagabond = not really all that cool, still probably one of the best CS in my opinion) Nighthawk: 90% damage of Cerberus (and 200% better damage to small stuff - like perfect role) what? this thread is about the cerb. btw the cerb can kill frigates better than the nighthawk with its 2 frig killing bonuses can. and the slep isnt a big vagabond. and the astarte owns hard with blasters. and i dont know much about the absolution really other than ive seen it it do some niiiice dps. Astarte owns with blasters what exactly? It dies as soon as anything sneezes at it. Just for comparison: maxed cerb aprox 400 dps (420 with fury and 5% rof implant) and something like 90km range deimos: 650 dps (5% implant, maxed everything) + 150dps from drones. Its range... 1200m... And railstarte does: 450 dps with spike ammo(for comparative range) and has like 70km optimal + 20km falloff. So deimos with rails does almighty 440dps with javelin ammo and has something like 20km optimal + 20km falloff. Maybe this will explain price of cerberus. imo price of the cerberus is a result of the cerb's effectiveness on running missions. And about the astarte i think you kinda underestimate it hehe
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:48:00 - [36] Edited by: LUKEC on 07/08/2006 06:48:35 Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 06/08/2006 19:01:51 Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: LUKEC Absolution: 150% damage of Zealot (and no range bonus - so you stick beams and have same dmg as zealot with pulses) Astarte: 140% damage of Deimos (and you need to fit rails coz with blasters is just crappy version of blasterthron) Sleipnir: 140% damage of Vagabond (huh big vagabond = slow vagabond = not really all that cool, still probably one of the best CS in my opinion) Nighthawk: 90% damage of Cerberus (and 200% better damage to small stuff - like perfect role) what? this thread is about the cerb. btw the cerb can kill frigates better than the nighthawk with its 2 frig killing bonuses can. and the slep isnt a big vagabond. and the astarte owns hard with blasters. and i dont know much about the absolution really other than ive seen it it do some niiiice dps. Astarte owns with blasters what exactly? It dies as soon as anything sneezes at it. Just for comparison: maxed cerb aprox 400 dps (420 with fury and 5% rof implant) and something like 90km range deimos: 650 dps (5% implant, maxed everything) + 150dps from drones. Its range... 1200m... And railstarte does: 450 dps with spike ammo(for comparative range) and has like 70km optimal + 20km falloff. So deimos with rails does almighty 440dps with javelin ammo and has something like 20km optimal + 20km falloff. Maybe this will explain price of cerberus. imo price of the cerberus is a result of the cerb's effectiveness on running missions. And about the astarte i think you kinda underestimate it hehe Want me to run you the math on rails on astarte? 450dps with rails & spike is huh also pretty close to railthron with something like thorium ammo. You dedicated caldarist should take thron on lvl4 mission with you to see how cruise raven owns everything bigger than frig in few volleys and still kills battleships way faster than any guns. Oh and with assault launchers... price of cerberus will be what ... 500mil? --------------------- WTS talisman omega
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:54:00 - [37] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 07/08/2006 06:48:35 Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 06/08/2006 19:01:51 Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: LUKEC Absolution: 150% damage of Zealot (and no range bonus - so you stick beams and have same dmg as zealot with pulses) Astarte: 140% damage of Deimos (and you need to fit rails coz with blasters is just crappy version of blasterthron) Sleipnir: 140% damage of Vagabond (huh big vagabond = slow vagabond = not really all that cool, still probably one of the best CS in my opinion) Nighthawk: 90% damage of Cerberus (and 200% better damage to small stuff - like perfect role) what? this thread is about the cerb. btw the cerb can kill frigates better than the nighthawk with its 2 frig killing bonuses can. and the slep isnt a big vagabond. and the astarte owns hard with blasters. and i dont know much about the absolution really other than ive seen it it do some niiiice dps. Astarte owns with blasters what exactly? It dies as soon as anything sneezes at it. Just for comparison: maxed cerb aprox 400 dps (420 with fury and 5% rof implant) and something like 90km range deimos: 650 dps (5% implant, maxed everything) + 150dps from drones. Its range... 1200m... And railstarte does: 450 dps with spike ammo(for comparative range) and has like 70km optimal + 20km falloff. So deimos with rails does almighty 440dps with javelin ammo and has something like 20km optimal + 20km falloff. Maybe this will explain price of cerberus. imo price of the cerberus is a result of the cerb's effectiveness on running missions. And about the astarte i think you kinda underestimate it hehe Want me to run you the math on rails on astarte? 450dps with rails & spike is huh also pretty close to railthron with something like thorium ammo. You dedicated caldarist should take thron on lvl4 mission with you to see how cruise raven owns everything bigger than frig in few volleys and still kills battleships way faster than any guns. Oh and with assault launchers... price of cerberus will be what ... 500mil? was talking about the blaster astarte being underestimated ;)
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:01:00 - [38] Edited by: LUKEC on 07/08/2006 07:01:34 Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 07/08/2006 06:48:35 Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 06/08/2006 19:01:51 Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: LUKEC Absolution: 150% damage of Zealot (and no range bonus - so you stick beams and have same dmg as zealot with pulses) Astarte: 140% damage of Deimos (and you need to fit rails coz with blasters is just crappy version of blasterthron) Sleipnir: 140% damage of Vagabond (huh big vagabond = slow vagabond = not really all that cool, still probably one of the best CS in my opinion) Nighthawk: 90% damage of Cerberus (and 200% better damage to small stuff - like perfect role) what? this thread is about the cerb. btw the cerb can kill frigates better than the nighthawk with its 2 frig killing bonuses can. and the slep isnt a big vagabond. and the astarte owns hard with blasters. and i dont know much about the absolution really other than ive seen it it do some niiiice dps. Astarte owns with blasters what exactly? It dies as soon as anything sneezes at it. Just for comparison: maxed cerb aprox 400 dps (420 with fury and 5% rof implant) and something like 90km range deimos: 650 dps (5% implant, maxed everything) + 150dps from drones. Its range... 1200m... And railstarte does: 450 dps with spike ammo(for comparative range) and has like 70km optimal + 20km falloff. So deimos with rails does almighty 440dps with javelin ammo and has something like 20km optimal + 20km falloff. Maybe this will explain price of cerberus. imo price of the cerberus is a result of the cerb's effectiveness on running missions. And about the astarte i think you kinda underestimate it hehe Want me to run you the math on rails on astarte? 450dps with rails & spike is huh also pretty close to railthron with something like thorium ammo. You dedicated caldarist should take thron on lvl4 mission with you to see how cruise raven owns everything bigger than frig in few volleys and still kills battleships way faster than any guns. Oh and with assault launchers... price of cerberus will be what ... 500mil? was talking about the blaster astarte being underestimated ;) Did you ever fly blasterboat? How about fat, sluggish and slow? It's like overpriced megathron, nothing else. Oh and with less armor, cap and drone bay. Oh and ... have you ever took a blasterboat in more than 5 people gang? Getting outdamaged by intys ... --------------------- WTS talisman omega
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:49:00 - [39] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 07/08/2006 07:01:34 Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 07/08/2006 06:48:35 Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 06/08/2006 19:01:51 Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: LUKEC Absolution: 150% damage of Zealot (and no range bonus - so you stick beams and have same dmg as zealot with pulses) Astarte: 140% damage of Deimos (and you need to fit rails coz with blasters is just crappy version of blasterthron) Sleipnir: 140% damage of Vagabond (huh big vagabond = slow vagabond = not really all that cool, still probably one of the best CS in my opinion) Nighthawk: 90% damage of Cerberus (and 200% better damage to small stuff - like perfect role) what? this thread is about the cerb. btw the cerb can kill frigates better than the nighthawk with its 2 frig killing bonuses can. and the slep isnt a big vagabond. and the astarte owns hard with blasters. and i dont know much about the absolution really other than ive seen it it do some niiiice dps. Astarte owns with blasters what exactly? It dies as soon as anything sneezes at it. Just for comparison: maxed cerb aprox 400 dps (420 with fury and 5% rof implant) and something like 90km range deimos: 650 dps (5% implant, maxed everything) + 150dps from drones. Its range... 1200m... And railstarte does: 450 dps with spike ammo(for comparative range) and has like 70km optimal + 20km falloff. So deimos with rails does almighty 440dps with javelin ammo and has something like 20km optimal + 20km falloff. Maybe this will explain price of cerberus. imo price of the cerberus is a result of the cerb's effectiveness on running missions. And about the astarte i think you kinda underestimate it hehe Want me to run you the math on rails on astarte? 450dps with rails & spike is huh also pretty close to railthron with something like thorium ammo. You dedicated caldarist should take thron on lvl4 mission with you to see how cruise raven owns everything bigger than frig in few volleys and still kills battleships way faster than any guns. Oh and with assault launchers... price of cerberus will be what ... 500mil? was talking about the blaster astarte being underestimated ;) Did you ever fly blasterboat? How about fat, sluggish and slow? It's like overpriced megathron, nothing else. Oh and with less armor, cap and drone bay. Oh and ... have you ever took a blasterboat in more than 5 people gang? Getting outdamaged by intys ... yeah i have done all of those things actually, btw i see the astarte as a megathron with a lower sig, better tracking and better resists and a helluva lot of fun to fly, much more fun to me then flying around in a megathron shooting stuff from 200km but maybe that's just me
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Deathbarrage yeah i have done all of those things actually, btw i see the astarte as a megathron with a lower sig, better tracking and better resists and a helluva lot of fun to fly, much more fun to me then flying around in a megathron shooting stuff from 200km but maybe that's just me I see astarte as just as sluggish as megathron, resists vs armor hp ... are actually in favor of mega and it is too big to be fun to fly anyway(deimos is too fat). And megathron doesn't equal rails actually, and when you meet such mega in astarte you can start thinking if insurance is enough to buy t2 drones for next ship. --------------------- WTS talisman omega
Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 19:31:00 - [41] THE END. Cerberus price issue needs fixing for a ship that is mostly used for PVE. Caladari needs a fast ganking ship, like the vaga, or like the zealot at least.
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2006.08.07 21:57:00 - [42] If you don't like the price, don't buy it.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 22:03:00 - [43] Originally by: Vicious Phoenix If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Yarrrrr... ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Laughlyn Vaughns Gallente Lagos-Vaughn Industries	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:31:00 - [44] i would have thought that the short range Assault Missiles would only be Battlecruiser/battleship classed, like the current assault laucnehrs only use light missiles but cant fit on a kessy only cruiser and upwards. That woudld stop the cerb being ultimate death dealing nastiness and stop a lot of whines
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2006.08.08 12:24:00 - [45] caldari cruisers have long needed a short range missile system - that makes it capable of going toe-to-toe with close range ships... Current Assault launchers is merely a placeholder though it might still be an option after assault missiles have been implemented (since for some reason they want assault missiles to be harder to fit than heavies) Pinky

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